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Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/29/2008 10:43:48 AM
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HisFish
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Come, take a peek at the opulent rockstar lifestyles of these swine of the faith. There isnt really much to discuss, i just wanted those who might send money to these pimps to see how it's spent.
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/29/2008 1:00:19 PM
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Lifestyles of the televangelists
Believe me, this issue has been well documented in the individual threads on these televangelists and you'd think it would wake people up to the real nature of those they are supporting...that they would be offended by how their hard earned money is being spent, but this is the typical response we get...
From the Joyce Meyer thread:
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I see that some people might envy her and/or dont believe her some are jalous couse of the money she makes with what she does out of the love and in honor for GOD, she spreads GODS LOVE all over the world and she diserves the money she earn and then seccond u people forget about all the good she does, im not talking about what she do with the money only but yea she doesnt keep it all for herself but she invest it for good purposes but aah THE DEVIL notice that shes doing great and shes all happy and so full of love and glory, so THE DEVIL has to spread hate and tell lies and blaim her for things she do NOT! its heartbreaking news for me, when i read everything that is bad towards Joyce meyer i feel deep inside of my heart a WORD that tells me to not listen to what u spread BAD about Joyce meyer allthought im not here to judge but all i speak is true and from the heart. may god bless you for i pray for you all, also to those who do bad.
she has been a great WORD of god, Manny thanks to our LORD GOD IN HEAVEN!
i have to appologize but u should be a shame of yourself, u deal with such anger against her
So, I guess there are just none so blind....
Most of the followers of these telelvangelists have been well endoctrinated into the WOF lie(s), and see it much the same as the pour soul I have quoted above. 
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/29/2008 1:54:49 PM
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Not that I agree with the spending habits of those teachers, but what should their homes cost? James MacDonald's name is on the list because he purchased a home for 1.5 mil. . I think that's alot, but it's homes in the northern IL suburbs can be that high. He's not a WOF teacher and has a good reputation.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/29/2008 4:03:40 PM
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James MacDonald's name is on the list because he purchased a home for 1.5 mil. . I think that's alot, but it's homes in the northern IL suburbs can be that high. He's not a WOF teacher and has a good reputation.
Also agree he is a solid teacher. As mentioned the home should be in comparison with other homes. Now, how much is Barry's home worth?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/29/2008 5:16:15 PM
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Let them enjoy the sin for a season; Peter teaches that the end of false teachers is worse than the beginning.
The beginning was eternity in hell, I just wonder what is awaiting these folks?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 6/30/2008 2:33:31 PM
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While I agree that WOF televangelisists are thieves. How they could put people like Ravi Zacharias, the Graham family, even Hank Hannagraph (his eschatology aside he still is a straight up orthodox guy), together with the WOF crowd.
Last time I checked, Ravi, the Graham's, even Hank dont try the "If you send us 1000 dollars you will recieve a double anointing right now!" In fact, when it comes to pure apologetics for the faith, no one beats Ravi; when it comes to sharing the gospel to literally BILLIONS of people, there is no one like the Grahams, and well...then theirs Hank...Well...he is definatly not WOF so why include him?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 11:50:12 AM
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swine of the faith
Nice. I'm sure the Holy Spirit is jumping for joy at that one.
It's one thing to point out errors in doctrine or behavior as a warning to others. It's another to resort to childish insults which give some the impression that the writer of such comments is jealous and vindictive, rather than humbly trying to admonish others about a genuine problem.
Guess such a slip demonstrates you're just as human as those "swine of the faith" are, doesn't it?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 12:23:27 PM
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swine of the faith
Nice. I'm sure the Holy Spirit is jumping for joy at that one.
It's one thing to point out errors in doctrine or behavior as a warning to others. It's another to resort to childish insults which give some the impression that the writer of such comments is jealous and vindictive, rather than humbly trying to admonish others about a genuine problem.
Guess such a slip demonstrates you're just as human as those "swine of the faith" are, doesn't it?
Charles, you must really take exception to Jesus then when He said of similar hucksters, "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers."
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But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Ye fools and blind
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
I could go on, even include some of Paul's writing to scoundrels within the Church. But that sampling disproves your position and makes "swine of the faith" fairly mild in comparison.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 1:43:55 PM
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“I’ve got 25 million dollars in my financial statement, free and clear I have no debt, I live in a 25 room mansion, I have my own 6 million dollar yacht, I have my own private jet and I have my own helicopter and I have 7 luxury automobiles so I never get board having to drive the same car more than one time in any given week” (Fred Price: “Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN)
“The whole point is I'm trying to get you to see-to get you out of this malaise of thinking that Jesus and the disciples were poor and then relating that to you thinking that you, as a child of God, have to follow Jesus. The Bible says that He has left us an example that we should follow His steps. That's the reason why I drive a Rolls Royce. I'm following Jesus' steps.” (“Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN)
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 5:11:20 PM
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James Macdonald is on WHAT list? I did not see his name.
also some of the people on the list showed their salaries which tells me they are not making that much money. so that could be a good sign.
james Macdonald is NOT a wof.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 7:25:28 PM
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HisFish
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swine of the faith
Nice. I'm sure the Holy Spirit is jumping for joy at that one.
It's one thing to point out errors in doctrine or behavior as a warning to others. It's another to resort to childish insults which give some the impression that the writer of such comments is jealous and vindictive, rather than humbly trying to admonish others about a genuine problem.
Guess such a slip demonstrates you're just as human as those "swine of the faith" are, doesn't it?
"errors in doctrine"??, get a grip man, its called heresy. Also, try not to take yourself so seriously. If your a WOFer then what can i say, the truth hurts.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 8:59:43 PM
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What types of US salary is acceptable in your opinions for preachers of the Word?
Not sure whats the standard of living is like.....should the preachers live like normal white collar worker?
And of what range?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 10:35:59 PM
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HisFish
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What types of US salary is acceptable in your opinions for preachers of the Word?
Not sure whats the standard of living is like.....should the preachers live like normal white collar worker?
And of what range?
That is a good question, but the focus of that website is not on those who preach the word but on the ringmasters of the word of faith circus.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 10:48:30 PM
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prophet
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BUT
Fish, some are true contenders of His word...eg Ravi Z. Is his salary too much???
He is certainly not WOF.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/1/2008 11:45:39 PM
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HisFish
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BUT
Fish, some are true contenders of His word...eg Ravi Z. Is his salary too much???
He is certainly not WOF.
Ya, i agree with you there, why he is on the list i dont know, his salary dosent look like its out of line , though im not sure how that is determined. I would add that his salary is probably just God blessing him, knowing the solid man of God that he is. The difference is the others allways seem to have their hands out and their "ministries" are only about wealth. I dont know much at all about the website but ravi and a couple others really shouldent be there, so your point is well taken prophet.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 12:36:19 PM
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BUT
Fish, some are true contenders of His word...eg Ravi Z. Is his salary too much???
He is certainly not WOF.
Ya, i agree with you there, why he is on the list i dont know...
It might be like John Ankerberg, who became so obsessed with exposing evil or heretical people and groups that he began to include solid believers and innocent groups, willing to accept any and all accusations without reasonable research or consideration for his sources. I guess you can call it the "Joseph McCarthy Syndrome."
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 5:19:24 PM
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What types of US salary is acceptable in your opinions for preachers of the Word?
Not sure whats the standard of living is like.....should the preachers live like normal white collar worker?
And of what range?
I don't think anyone is implying that these people shouldn't be able to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle. It's the excessiveness that's the problem. When I see that they're living in multi-million dollar homes and driving around in $100,000 vehicles it makes me sick. Joyce Meyer is always decked out in very expensive looking clothing and jewelry. The TBN set looks like a palace for heaven's sake....it's ridiculous. Doesn't the Bible speak of not laying up treasures for ourselves here on earth because it will just end up corrupted. It sure looks like that's just what they're doing to me. This world isn't our home so why these people have to live like it is, is beyond me. And don't even get me started on how many hungry children all of that money could help feed......
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 7:33:29 PM
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The bible says a workman is worthy of his wages. To me, this means a head pastor of a 4,000 plus member church should be paid in line with an owner of a 4.000 worker firm.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 8:13:33 PM
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What types of US salary is acceptable in your opinions for preachers of the Word?
Not sure whats the standard of living is like.....should the preachers live like normal white collar worker?
And of what range?
I don't think anyone is implying that these people shouldn't be able to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle. It's the excessiveness that's the problem. When I see that they're living in multi-million dollar homes and driving around in $100,000 vehicles it makes me sick. Joyce Meyer is always decked out in very expensive looking clothing and jewelry. The TBN set looks like a palace for heaven's sake....it's ridiculous. Doesn't the Bible speak of not laying up treasures for ourselves here on earth because it will just end up corrupted. It sure looks like that's just what they're doing to me. This world isn't our home so why these people have to live like it is, is beyond me. And don't even get me started on how many hungry children all of that money could help feed......
actually i am askin this question cos sound apologists are being lumped together with those of the WOF....so whats a comfy salary in US?
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 8:16:31 PM
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The bible says a workman is worthy of his wages. To me, this means a head pastor of a 4,000 plus member church should be paid in line with an owner of a 4.000 worker firm.
Worthy as a pastor? Or worthy as a pastor of 4,000, 10,000 or 20,000?
Makes alotta difference....no?
Imagine Rowan being head honcho of 70 million Anglicans! WOW! 
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 9:48:11 PM
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Worthy as a pastor? Or worthy as a pastor of 4,000, 10,000 or 20,000?
Makes alotta difference....no?
Don't mean it as a one-to-one issue. Just that a pastor of a large church should be paid cominsurate to execs in his area.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 9:57:23 PM
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Worthy as a pastor? Or worthy as a pastor of 4,000, 10,000 or 20,000?
Makes alotta difference....no?
Don't mean it as a one-to-one issue. Just that a pastor of a large church should be paid cominsurate to execs in his area.
I would say pay should be based on the average/median of the congergation, not execs. But right idea. A pastor in Beverly Hills should be paid more than a pastor in Podunk USA. That is not to say that the BH pastor is worth more, or the Podunk is worth less. But rather he must minister TO the people in the area that you are ministering in. My former pastor in STL had a salary that just crept into 6 figures. Seeing as the church was in one of the more well-to-do areas of the STL area, and seeing as we had several dozen millionaires in the congergation, Pastor's salary was just right. My current church in a older area of the Kansas City area, with a congregation which is more than half retirees, has 4 paid positions (Pastor, Music/Education, Youth, Secretary) whose combined salaries is less than six figures. Based on the areas in which they minister, both are as they should be.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/2/2008 10:24:36 PM
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I would say pay should be based on the average/median of the congergation, not execs. But right idea. A pastor in Beverly Hills should be paid more than a pastor in Podunk USA. That is not to say that the BH pastor is worth more, or the Podunk is worth less. But rather he must minister TO the people in the area that you are ministering in. My former pastor in STL had a salary that just crept into 6 figures. Seeing as the church was in one of the more well-to-do areas of the STL area, and seeing as we had several dozen millionaires in the congergation, Pastor's salary was just right. My current church in a older area of the Kansas City area, with a congregation which is more than half retirees, has 4 paid positions (Pastor, Music/Education, Youth, Secretary) whose combined salaries is less than six figures. Based on the areas in which they minister, both are as they should be.
Is it right though?
Do you mean he has to live in a BH type house with BH type earnings to be able minister to BH residents?
Just for interest, can a pastor live on $100k in BH?
If its based on median, then a single billionaire will throw the numbers off the balance! 
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/3/2008 1:21:05 PM
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The bible says a workman is worthy of his wages. To me, this means a head pastor of a 4,000 plus member church should be paid in line with an owner of a 4.000 worker firm.
In that case, what should the Pope be on??? - I don't think that works somehow.
Whatever happened to the servant idea?
Remember what Jesus said?: '...Whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave' (Mat.20:25-28).
Not much chance of that with some, I'm afraid.
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