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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/29/2008 11:06:14 AM
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Lizahana
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The democrats' most loyal base has been black voters, however word has it, that a growing number have become somewhat disillusioned with the party. Meanwhile, it was the republicans who appointed the first black secretary of state (arguably the second most important position in the free world), AND the first black female secretary of state, with Rice most recently being mentioned as a possible future presidential or vp nominee.
Perhaps some in the democratic party did not want the GOP to become the first to nominate a viable black presidential candidate and felt desperate to find and actively promote someone of color before that happened. After seeing he was good at saying speeches, kissing babies and didn't scare white folks near a much as Jesse Jackson (at least not at first) Obama, as someone already posted, just happened to be the "Hey, you," guy, in the right place at the right time.
Why did they diss Hillary and female voters? I think because white females aren't as loyal to the democratic party as black voters.
But also I think the Clinton's must have made some enemies and some, not wanting to trek through those still smoldering ruins of scandal that plagued that administration, may have been desperate for a "savior" to keep Billary out of the White House at all costs.
- Julius
That's a very interesting point that I had not considered before. Although Kennedy and LBJ are credited with the Civil Right Act, affirmative action laws, Voting Rights Act; and although LBJ appointed some of the first African American cabinet members - I have never thought the Democrat party was that much better than the other on the issue of civil rights, since Republicans have appointed African American cabinet members as well.
I think that bringing Hillary as the Democrats choice to the table in '08 would have been way too polarizing - she definitely would not have gotten the independent vote, IMHO, because she is too much like McCain in SOME issues. They are both of the machine, the old guard. I have never heard so many of different parties say that they are tired of the old Washington ways of doing things.
And, IMHO, I think Patti Doyle or whoever the Hillary's campaign manager was at any given time during her bid for the Dem nomination - I think they should have put a muzzle on Bill. I don't know what happened to him, but, IMHO, he lost something between 2000 and now. His speeches no longer even had a touch of honey, from what I heard, but a lot of bitterness. I think he hurt Hillary's chances.
I think people downplay the gift of communication - just like Reagan, Obama gives hope with his words - listening to his speeches, you really do feel his words motivate you. Not only does he give hope, but it almost seems that he is saying that it is YOUR repsonsibility - not the governments (though I know I'm going to hear it for that remark !) - to help make this country great again. He calls for people to not accept the same, but to have hope again. At least that's what I take away from his speeches. And, his movement is what I would consider a grass roots movement.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/29/2008 1:46:48 PM
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LOL! Some of this talk reminded me of a spoof song made about the pres. candidates!
Hope and change, the theme of everyone this year! It cracks me up!
Here it is just for some laughs!
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/29/2008 5:44:51 PM
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Hope and change, the theme of everyone this year!
I only Hope I'll have some Change left, after Obama, and the gimmie generation get through with us!
Seriously, I have to hand it to the DNC, by pushing thru a young, virtual unknown, and setting up the GOP("please don't make us run against Mc Cain"), with an old, boring, second coming of the Bob Dole campaign. It's virtually BHO's to lose, now.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 12:25:22 AM
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Seriously, I have to hand it to the DNC, by pushing thru a young, virtual unknown, and setting up the GOP("please don't make us run against Mc Cain"), with an old, boring, second coming of the Bob Dole campaign. It's virtually BHO's to lose, now.
I agree that it's Obama's campaign to lose.
But of all the candidates in the primary on the GOP side, McCain has the best shot at winning the election. Anyone else -Romney, Huckabee, etc- could be easily tied to Bush (who's a massive albatross on the neck of anyone running for office in the GOP right now). Obama's campaign will try to do this with McCain anyway, but he's harder to tie to Bush because of his record of disagreement with the GOP on certain issues (although he's making it much easier for them by basically going back on a lot of his previous stances in which he disagreed with the GOP powers that be. He seems to think he'll be able to win my moving right, which is completely stupid of him in this political climate. Plus, this is an extra boon to Obama, as not only can they paint him as Bush part 2, they can also paint him as a "Flip flopper" and political oportunist while they're at it -and they've been doing a pretty good job at hammering on those ideas in the past few weeks since the DFL primaries ended).
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 1:24:52 AM
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When I was asked what is so radical about Obama - Are you kidding me ? He wants to end taxes for seniors making less than $50,000/year - rightly so, they have blessed us with their presence and deserve this! That is a radical idea, IMHO. My mom has voted Republican all her life up until 2000 - and she's definitely voting for Obama. I'm not a senior, but I can see the appeal here.
Yep... $$$$$$
John
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 1:26:13 AM
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BHO is merely the packaging for basically the exact same ideas, as HRC, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, Pelosi, Reid, or Gore.
Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi, and Reid, were all part of our stupid rush into war. That's a big difference.
Obama has spoke on the need for personal responsibility more than Dukakis and Mondale combined.
And Gore (actually the rest of them, too) was connected to special interests.
Other differences:
he doesn't come from money.
he comes from a single parent family.
He has lived in a foreign country.
He is an adult convert to Christianity.
He has experience as a community organizer.
Not...
John
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 1:31:57 AM
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That's a very interesting point that I had not considered before. Although Kennedy and LBJ are credited with the Civil Right Act, affirmative action laws, Voting Rights Act; and although LBJ appointed some of the first African American cabinet members - I have never thought the Democrat party was that much better than the other on the issue of civil rights, since Republicans have appointed African American cabinet members as well.
Actually if not for Republicans the Civil Right Act would have never been there for LBJ to sign...
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And, IMHO, I think Patti Doyle or whoever the Hillary's campaign manager was at any given time during her bid for the Dem nomination - I think they should have put a muzzle on Bill. I don't know what happened to him, but, IMHO, he lost something between 2000 and now. His speeches no longer even had a touch of honey, from what I heard, but a lot of bitterness. I think he hurt Hillary's chances.
The fact that Gore couldn't beat the likes of Bush Jr was proof enough the country had enough of Bill...
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I think people downplay the gift of communication - just like Reagan, Obama gives hope with his words - listening to his speeches, you really do feel his words motivate you. Not only does he give hope, but it almost seems that he is saying that it is YOUR repsonsibility - not the governments (though I know I'm going to hear it for that remark !) - to help make this country great again. He calls for people to not accept the same, but to have hope again. At least that's what I take away from his speeches. And, his movement is what I would consider a grass roots movement.
He's a great liar...
John
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 2:08:54 AM
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The mere mention of "hope", "change", "believe" and "yes we can" does not mean that person is truly and unequivocably bringing those things to the nation. I have been impressed by the orations of Mr. Obama. Well, not all of it because during unrehearsed moments, you can see how unimpressive he can be.
I see a change in the whole democratic party. It is a change towards an old political system. I hear Stalin in many of the statements. The mere fact that he wishes to create a clash between businesses and the worker is a great indicator. People are easily persuaded by the emotions of being called a victim.
Obama has become the darling of the communist party. http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/13259/1/443/
Through him they have a voice. The ideas expounded and espoused are never opposed to their manifesto. Like avery communist leader, Obama masks his true nature through words and promises of "more" power to the people.
There will be a time, after the election of Mr. Obama that the CPUSA will become bolder and will come out as a party that will have more power and influential. I will not be surprised if they even consilidate with the DNC.
Sure there is change ahead. A change to old but destructive politics.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 2:13:31 AM
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OBAMA'S GLOBAL TAX BILL.
Your (our) money will be his to dispose of. And that is the kind of power he wants to exercise over you.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait after he gets elected.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obamas_global_tax_bill_coming.html
After many of these the only change that will be left are the two cents you will be rubbing together.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 2:15:43 AM
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he doesn't come from money.
he comes from a single parent family.
He has lived in a foreign country.
He is an adult convert to Christianity.
He has experience as a community organizer.
And that qualifies him to be president?
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 7:47:30 AM
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That's a very interesting point that I had not considered before. Although Kennedy and LBJ are credited with the Civil Right Act, affirmative action laws, Voting Rights Act; and although LBJ appointed some of the first African American cabinet members - I have never thought the Democrat party was that much better than the other on the issue of civil rights, since Republicans have appointed African American cabinet members as well.
Actually if not for Republicans the Civil Right Act would have never been there for LBJ to sign...
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And, IMHO, I think Patti Doyle or whoever the Hillary's campaign manager was at any given time during her bid for the Dem nomination - I think they should have put a muzzle on Bill. I don't know what happened to him, but, IMHO, he lost something between 2000 and now. His speeches no longer even had a touch of honey, from what I heard, but a lot of bitterness. I think he hurt Hillary's chances.
The fact that Gore couldn't beat the likes of Bush Jr was proof enough the country had enough of Bill...
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I think people downplay the gift of communication - just like Reagan, Obama gives hope with his words - listening to his speeches, you really do feel his words motivate you. Not only does he give hope, but it almost seems that he is saying that it is YOUR repsonsibility - not the governments (though I know I'm going to hear it for that remark !) - to help make this country great again. He calls for people to not accept the same, but to have hope again. At least that's what I take away from his speeches. And, his movement is what I would consider a grass roots movement.
He's a great liar...
John
Hi John,
It still took Democrats (Kennedy and LBJ) to create the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
And, on the other matters - we have already beat that horse to death, John - and I'm not going to discuss with you anymore, because you do not listen to the other's view - instead you call the other person names - an action that speaks volumes of you as a person. And I simply do not have to participate in such antics of yours.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 7:52:18 AM
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When I was asked what is so radical about Obama - Are you kidding me ? He wants to end taxes for seniors making less than $50,000/year - rightly so, they have blessed us with their presence and deserve this! That is a radical idea, IMHO. My mom has voted Republican all her life up until 2000 - and she's definitely voting for Obama. I'm not a senior, but I can see the appeal here.
Yep... $$$$$$
John
Yes, John, I agree, money back to seniors who deserve it! 
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 8:22:26 AM
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he doesn't come from money.
he comes from a single parent family.
He has lived in a foreign country.
He is an adult convert to Christianity.
He has experience as a community organizer.
And that qualifies him to be president?
The questions wasn't "what qualifies him to be president" it was "what makes him different?"
Aside from the constitutional requirements (which he meets, despite the insistence of some conspiracy theorists), to be a president you need to win a primary (check) and a general election (should be a cakewalk against Bush III).
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 8:24:32 AM
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BHO is merely the packaging for basically the exact same ideas, as HRC, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, Pelosi, Reid, or Gore.
Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi, and Reid, were all part of our stupid rush into war. That's a big difference.
Obama has spoke on the need for personal responsibility more than Dukakis and Mondale combined.
And Gore (actually the rest of them, too) was connected to special interests.
Other differences:
he doesn't come from money.
he comes from a single parent family.
He has lived in a foreign country.
He is an adult convert to Christianity.
He has experience as a community organizer.
Not...
John
Good, intelligent conversation!
Not. . . .
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 8:47:01 AM
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When I was asked what is so radical about Obama - Are you kidding me ? He wants to end taxes for seniors making less than $50,000/year - rightly so, they have blessed us with their presence and deserve this! That is a radical idea, IMHO. My mom has voted Republican all her life up until 2000 - and she's definitely voting for Obama. I'm not a senior, but I can see the appeal here.
Yep... $$$$$$
John
Yes, John, I agree, money back to seniors who deserve it!
Peace and God bless,
It's the same as any politician promising money. It's a bribe to get votes. Nothing more.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 9:38:25 AM
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When I was asked what is so radical about Obama - Are you kidding me ? He wants to end taxes for seniors making less than $50,000/year - rightly so, they have blessed us with their presence and deserve this! That is a radical idea, IMHO. My mom has voted Republican all her life up until 2000 - and she's definitely voting for Obama. I'm not a senior, but I can see the appeal here.
Yep... $$$$$$
John
Yes, John, I agree, money back to seniors who deserve it!
Peace and God bless,
It's the same as any politician promising money. It's a bribe to get votes. Nothing more.
"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
-Ayn Rand
"I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its “successful experiment” that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office."
Andrew Jackson, February 10, 1825
"Are you entitled to the fruits of your labor or does government have some presumptive right to spend and spend and spend?"
Ronald Reagan
"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." - Barry Goldwater
...Nuff said
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 9:49:09 AM
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"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people."
-- Oscar Wilde
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury."
-- Alexander Tytler
Had to add these. 
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 10:15:36 AM
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Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.
-- Theodore Roosevelt
The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 10:45:47 AM
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How did Obama get to where he is today?
I saw a movie a while back that reminds me of this, what was it called; oh yea, "The Devil's Advocate".
Thanks
RC
That reminds me did you ever get around to watching the Manchurian Candidate?
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 10:48:27 AM
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A "Community organizer" in Chicage; isn't that lib speak for a political hack?
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No, that's conservative-speak for Black.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 10:55:34 AM
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Can anybody name any other presidential candidate with such a thin resume?
Two come to mind - our current president, and Abraham Lincoln.
Proves that experience isn't necessarily a good predictor of success or failure.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 11:01:28 AM
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Actually if not for Republicans the Civil Right Act would have never been there for LBJ to sign...
Very true. Eisenhower first desegregated the armed services and then proceeded to put the ball in motion in civilian society, culminating in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Oddly enough, since it was signed by a democratic president, the democrats got the '"credit" for it - the "credit" being the wholesale departure of the south from the Democratic Party to the Republican!
Go figure.
Edit: Actually a bit sad for Eisenhower. History has largely forgotten that he was a significant force for civil rights and desegregation. Arguably, he did more for civil rights than any modern political leader of any party.
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RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? - 6/30/2008 11:15:38 AM
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Actually if not for Republicans the Civil Right Act would have never been there for LBJ to sign...
Very true. Eisenhower first desegregated the armed services and then proceeded to put the ball in motion in civilian society, culminating in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Oddly enough, since it was signed by a democratic president, the democrats got the '"credit" for it - the "credit" being the wholesale departure of the south from the Democratic Party to the Republican!
Go figure.
Edit: Actually a bit sad for Eisenhower. History has largely forgotten that he was a significant force for civil rights and desegregation. Arguably, he did more for civil rights than any modern political leader of any party.
His warning about the "Military-Industrial Complex" was dead-on, but we're off-topic.
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