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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 4:19:17 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Why do I have to explain the painfully obvious truth that some form of government own public schools... Actually, since the school is paid for with mostly my tax dollars, then yes, I do own a portion of the school. and since it is run mostly by a locally elected school board, I'd hardly call it "government" run. Sheesh. Some people will demonize anything just to make it sound bad.
Like you own a F-15 Fighter? You own no part of it... Dream on...
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 4:22:18 PM
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Actually, since the school is paid for with mostly my tax dollars, then yes, I do own a portion of the school. and since it is run mostly by a locally elected school board, I'd hardly call it "government" run. Sheesh. Some people will demonize anything just to make it sound bad.
I agree and well put. Not that some people will ever understand, but well said nonetheless.
It's not reality... She owns nothing...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 4:40:39 PM
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The school district is owned and operated by the tax payers in that district. Sort of like owning stock in a corporation: While I cannot walk in and take a computer, I do own a piece of the pie. But, like I said, some people just don't understand that.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 7:39:12 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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The school district is owned and operated by the tax payers in that district. Sort of like owning stock in a corporation: While I cannot walk in and take a computer, I do own a piece of the pie. But, like I said, some people just don't understand that.
You "own" your home... Find another word...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/10/2008 9:43:04 AM
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I started a thread on school district ownership and control so this one can get back on topic. So if you care to illuminate us with your vast knowledge...
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 9:22:41 AM
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I started a thread on school district ownership and control so this one can get back on topic. So if you care to illuminate us with your vast knowledge...
Already posted there so who knows why you posted the above... 
John
You haven't posted in the thread I started.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 9:26:19 AM
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Already posted there so who knows why you posted the above...
John
btw NOT aimed at YOU 6dj8
aimed at the postermeister John
I know.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 9:53:34 AM
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In a country of billionaires how can we possibly justify poverty?
In a country of a surplus of sparsely filled church buildings and palatial governmental buildings how can we justify homelessness.
In a country of overfed overindulgent overweight consumers how can we justify hunger?
Ok, well first of all I think we need to take into consideration that what is deemed poverty in the US is the equivalent of great riches in other countries. And no one is "justifying" any of these things, but what responsibility does the person in poverty have to help themself? How much of their situation is due to their poor choices in life? How much could they help if they start making better decisions and really try hard to better themselves?
Same thing goes for the homeless. The number of buildings has nothing to do with it. I have never heard of people being homeless because of a shortage of housing, so the number of buildings that are massive and extravagant do not really come into play. But what about the fact that most homeless are in their position due to drug or alcohol use? I am not saying all but most. Do they not have the blame for their position? How is it the fault of those who have houses?
And hunger in the US is the same as poverty. Not too many folks are starving like they are in some third world countries.
There are already programs in place to help such people as well, are there not? I don't think it is a matter of people trying to justify that these conditions exist, it is merely facing the reality that they do and they always will because there are people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and even do things that will damage their quality of life. It is hard to save people from their own carelessness and stupidity, if that is what got them in their situation.
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Nobody wants to think beyond the "holy dollar" anymore. How did we allow ourselves to become so twisted? Its not BIBLICALLY CORRECT no matter how politically correct some may think it is.
Last I checked God was not a political Being, but a REAL people Person Who tells us to follow Him and not to trust in chariots and horses and the root of all evil.
What is YOUR god saying?
As far as this goes, the only thing I really have to ask is if we are not supposed to value money, why do you place so much hope in money as if it is the only way out for some people? If having money corrupts, then why would you want to give freely this poison to the poor and homeless?
It is not really a question that I expect to be answered but the point is is that we all think about money, because it is what gets us by. It is what buys the groceries and pays the mortgage and heats the home in the winter. Money is needed to live. I just feel that there should not be forced charity to give to those who refuse to take care of themselves. Free drug rehab and financial planning maybe, but not just handing out funds to people who say they don't have enough, that is not the best we can do to help.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 10:04:36 AM
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And hunger in the US is the same as poverty. Not too many folks are starving like they are in some third world countries.
I heartily agree with your post and especially your statement shown above. I worked in a supermarket for a while and I was always amazed at the amount of people on food stamps who were obese. All the homeless guys in our neighborhood are overweight as well. I am not saying that they don't have other difficulties but no one dies of starvation in this country.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 10:31:01 AM
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Gee, all the love in this thread..... reminds me of why I seldom post in CE.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/11/2008 10:52:09 AM
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I have no problem with a good debate.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/13/2008 12:58:21 PM
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In a country of billionaires how can we possibly justify poverty?
In a country of a surplus of sparsely filled church buildings and palatial governmental buildings how can we justify homelessness.
In a country of overfed overindulgent overweight consumers how can we justify hunger?
Ok, well first of all I think we need to take into consideration that what is deemed poverty in the US is the equivalent of great riches in other countries. And no one is "justifying" any of these things, but what responsibility does the person in poverty have to help themself? How much of their situation is due to their poor choices in life? How much could they help if they start making better decisions and really try hard to better themselves?
Same thing goes for the homeless. The number of buildings has nothing to do with it. I have never heard of people being homeless because of a shortage of housing, so the number of buildings that are massive and extravagant do not really come into play. But what about the fact that most homeless are in their position due to drug or alcohol use? I am not saying all but most. Do they not have the blame for their position? How is it the fault of those who have houses?
And hunger in the US is the same as poverty. Not too many folks are starving like they are in some third world countries.
There are already programs in place to help such people as well, are there not? I don't think it is a matter of people trying to justify that these conditions exist, it is merely facing the reality that they do and they always will because there are people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and even do things that will damage their quality of life. It is hard to save people from their own carelessness and stupidity, if that is what got them in their situation.
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Nobody wants to think beyond the "holy dollar" anymore. How did we allow ourselves to become so twisted? Its not BIBLICALLY CORRECT no matter how politically correct some may think it is.
Last I checked God was not a political Being, but a REAL people Person Who tells us to follow Him and not to trust in chariots and horses and the root of all evil.
What is YOUR god saying?
As far as this goes, the only thing I really have to ask is if we are not supposed to value money, why do you place so much hope in money as if it is the only way out for some people? If having money corrupts, then why would you want to give freely this poison to the poor and homeless?
It is not really a question that I expect to be answered but the point is is that we all think about money, because it is what gets us by. It is what buys the groceries and pays the mortgage and heats the home in the winter. Money is needed to live. I just feel that there should not be forced charity to give to those who refuse to take care of themselves. Free drug rehab and financial planning maybe, but not just handing out funds to people who say they don't have enough, that is not the best we can do to help.
Money when used as God intends us to use it is not evil. It is only when we covet it and hoard it in an effort to secure our own future that it can become a god unto itself. When we disperse anything God has entrusted us with to help another it is pleasing to Him, money, goods, time, energy, effort, whatever things and talents He has bestowed upon us as a GIFT to be SHARED with others, not as a means to do without Him and lean upon ourselves as the author of our security. Money is a means not an end. It's just one of His many many gifts that He gives us to enable us to do His work, not to enable us to feel all safe and secure over our mounting bank accounts. That's my message.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/13/2008 1:02:19 PM
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Yes the humor posts do that I guess,
I meant Humor & Games (<-- link)
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/13/2008 2:07:43 PM
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Money when used as God intends us to use it is not evil. It is only when we covet it and hoard it in an effort to secure our own future that it can become a god unto itself. When we disperse anything God has entrusted us with to help another it is pleasing to Him, money, goods, time, energy, effort, whatever things and talents He has bestowed upon us as a GIFT to be SHARED with others, not as a means to do without Him and lean upon ourselves as the author of our security. Money is a means not an end. It's just one of His many many gifts that He gives us to enable us to do His work, not to enable us to feel all safe and secure over our mounting bank accounts. That's my message.
But you are coveting what the rich have if you want to force them to pay for others. You want their money to be used how you want it to be used and not how they wish to use it.
Help the poor with what you have and do not worry about how much someone else has who doesn't help. That is my message.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/13/2008 5:21:20 PM
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Yes the humor posts do that I guess, but sadly I have yet to find any humor in Johns posts, just the opposite.
I must be doing something right...
John
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