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ljmac -> One less Obama voter (6/13/2008 1:55:56 AM)
Abortion advocate Cindi Cook is going to prison, right where she belongs. Cook's son got his 16 year old girl friend pregnant. Dear old mom responded by pressuring the girl to kill her grandbaby. She drove her to the Northside Women's abortuary, identified herself as the girl's mother, and signed the parental notification form. Their lust for the baby's life was too great to restrain, so the abortionists didn't verify the woman's identity. About a year later the girl still grieves over the death of her baby, something she was coerced into taking part in. Cook has been sentenced to one year in prison and the girl is considering suing the abortuary. Let's hope their financial bankruptcy joins their moral bankruptcy. Are you my mama? killing my grandchild

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/13/2008 2:03:55 AM)
Disgusting... Not even the slightest bit of fear of God... John

mapachito13 -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/13/2008 3:51:42 AM)
What has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade? His dad and him appointed three justices which in addition to those appointed by Reagan (2) and Ford (1) give a 6 to 3 margin of Republican vs democrat appointed justices. With that margin and a pro-life AG why hasn't the government been able to get it overturned! They lack the will methinks! So Obama or Bush, there's no difference in action on overturning Roe v. Wade. Or what are they waiting for a 7 to 2 majority? 8 to 1? 9 to 0?

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 12:01:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 What has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade? His dad and him appointed three justices which in addition to those appointed by Reagan (2) and Ford (1) give a 6 to 3 margin of Republican vs democrat appointed justices. With that margin and a pro-life AG why hasn't the government been able to get it overturned! They lack the will methinks! So Obama or Bush, there's no difference in action on overturning Roe v. Wade. Or what are they waiting for a 7 to 2 majority? 8 to 1? 9 to 0? What does the above have to do with Mrs. Cook murdering her grandchild? The lack of resolve of the above mentioned doesn't given anyone relief for supporting those who without a doubt support the cold blooded murder of the unborn... John

mapachito13 -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 8:00:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 What has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade? His dad and him appointed three justices which in addition to those appointed by Reagan (2) and Ford (1) give a 6 to 3 margin of Republican vs democrat appointed justices. With that margin and a pro-life AG why hasn't the government been able to get it overturned! They lack the will methinks! So Obama or Bush, there's no difference in action on overturning Roe v. Wade. Or what are they waiting for a 7 to 2 majority? 8 to 1? 9 to 0? What does the above have to do with Mrs. Cook murdering her grandchild? The lack of resolve of the above mentioned doesn't given anyone relief for supporting those who without a doubt support the cold blooded murder of the unborn... John Well inaction to stop something could be considered tacit support of it. Or is just putting out a bunch of words with no actions to support it being against something? Let's go for the little victories on stem cells and neglect the big picture on this issue.

rlj -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 8:34:45 AM)
quote: What does the above have to do with Mrs. Cook murdering her grandchild? The lack of resolve of the above mentioned doesn't given anyone relief for supporting those who without a doubt support the cold blooded murder of the unborn... What does it have to do with Obama? And if it does have anything to do with Obama why isn't it in the election folder? Lastly who said any of them are Obama supporters or even democrats? There are pro choice Republicans.

saved9201 -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 8:41:07 AM)
First of all, how do we know she would have voted for Obama? Many of Hillary Clintons loyal supporters are abortion advocates and have declared they would never vote for Obama. Assuming someone who supports abortion will vote for Obama or vote at all is like assuming someone who is pro-life will automatically vote for McCain. Some may find this hard to believe, but to some people, there are other issues in this election. Secondly, this person could very well consider herself a God-fearing Christian. Has anyone ever experienced how some churches treat teens who mother or father children out of wedlock? The teens are first of all isolated from the rest of the teens, and are forbidden participate in any teen activities. Some churches have gone so far as to require parents of these kids to step down from leadership positions because this indicates they don't have their children "under subjection." In one case in a church I once attended, the teen mother was required to stand before the church and apologize for her sin (the young father didn't attend that church). Basically, all involved are forced to be subjected to church discipline, which usually turns into ostracization and humiliation the entire time they choose to attend. Most end up leaving the church rather than submit to this and one preacher I talked to had no problem with basically running these teens off, as he cited 1Cor 5:6, "Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?" So before church folk freaked out about Obama making the statement about punishing his daughter with a baby, maybe they should have checked with their own churches to see what kind of "punishment" they had is store for a teen who gets pregnant. My point is, the church sometimes talks out of both sides of their mouths on this issue. It seems as if some churches actually encourage a member facing this choice to "quietly" go the abortion route. Yes, in the end, they'll have to face God for their sin, but He's a lot easier to deal with and a lot more merciful and forgiving than some self-righteous church folks. - Julius

tafkam -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 5:36:06 PM)
quote: It seems as if some churches actually encourage a member facing this choice to "quietly" go the abortion route. I can only assume yo u can point to a documented case of this happening to support such an outlandish claim. I don't doubt that some Christians are two-faced on the subject, but they are hardly the mainstream....

saved9201 -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 6:28:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tafkam quote: It seems as if some churches actually encourage a member facing this choice to "quietly" go the abortion route. I can only assume yo u can point to a documented case of this happening to support such an outlandish claim. I don't doubt that some Christians are two-faced on the subject, but they are hardly the mainstream.... Outlandish? I'm speaking from experience. You can believe me or not, it's your choice. I have no "documentation" to prove my point (where would I get it?). Anyway, it would be interesting to find out what other churchs' policies are regarding teen members who come up pregnant. How a church deals with this "problem" could determine the actions other members take when they are face with the same situation. Who knows? There may be teens in some of your churches who faced the save dilemna and chose to "quietly" take care of the problem instead of facing "humiliation." - Julius

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 9:18:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 What has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade? His dad and him appointed three justices which in addition to those appointed by Reagan (2) and Ford (1) give a 6 to 3 margin of Republican vs democrat appointed justices. With that margin and a pro-life AG why hasn't the government been able to get it overturned! They lack the will methinks! So Obama or Bush, there's no difference in action on overturning Roe v. Wade. Or what are they waiting for a 7 to 2 majority? 8 to 1? 9 to 0? What does the above have to do with Mrs. Cook murdering her grandchild? The lack of resolve of the above mentioned doesn't given anyone relief for supporting those who without a doubt support the cold blooded murder of the unborn... John Well inaction to stop something could be considered tacit support of it. Or is just putting out a bunch of words with no actions to support it being against something? Let's go for the little victories on stem cells and neglect the big picture on this issue. If I recall you support abortion being legal so what victories are you speaking of? John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 9:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: What does the above have to do with Mrs. Cook murdering her grandchild? The lack of resolve of the above mentioned doesn't given anyone relief for supporting those who without a doubt support the cold blooded murder of the unborn... What does it have to do with Obama? And if it does have anything to do with Obama why isn't it in the election folder? Lastly who said any of them are Obama supporters or even democrats? There are pro choice Republicans. Yes, but the vast majority of the left is pro killing unborn children in cold blood, like Obama... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 9:24:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 First of all, how do we know she would have voted for Obama? Many of Hillary Clintons loyal supporters are abortion advocates and have declared they would never vote for Obama. Assuming someone who supports abortion will vote for Obama or vote at all is like assuming someone who is pro-life will automatically vote for McCain. Some may find this hard to believe, but to some people, there are other issues in this election. Secondly, this person could very well consider herself a God-fearing Christian. Has anyone ever experienced how some churches treat teens who mother or father children out of wedlock? The teens are first of all isolated from the rest of the teens, and are forbidden participate in any teen activities. Some churches have gone so far as to require parents of these kids to step down from leadership positions because this indicates they don't have their children "under subjection." In one case in a church I once attended, the teen mother was required to stand before the church and apologize for her sin (the young father didn't attend that church). Basically, all involved are forced to be subjected to church discipline, which usually turns into ostracization and humiliation the entire time they choose to attend. Most end up leaving the church rather than submit to this and one preacher I talked to had no problem with basically running these teens off, as he cited 1Cor 5:6, "Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?" So before church folk freaked out about Obama making the statement about punishing his daughter with a baby, maybe they should have checked with their own churches to see what kind of "punishment" they had is store for a teen who gets pregnant. My point is, the church sometimes talks out of both sides of their mouths on this issue. It seems as if some churches actually encourage a member facing this choice to "quietly" go the abortion route. Yes, in the end, they'll have to face God for their sin, but He's a lot easier to deal with and a lot more merciful and forgiving than some self-righteous church folks. - Julius Yet at the end of the day Mrs. Cook murdered her grandchild... As for Obama's view on abortion, he supports the cold blooded murder of unborn children and does so from a place of athourity and in the name of God... It would be better if didn't mention God given his views on other subjects as well.. John

blessedinnyc -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 11:25:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Yes, but the vast majority of the left is pro killing unborn children in cold blood, like Obama... John Yes. And after we are done supporting abortion, we head back to the temple of Baal and sacrifice newborns as well. Of course, that's not enough for some liberals. I hear that Ruth Bader Ginsburg went into a crowded shopping mall with a machine gun and started shooting. Obviously, if the left truly believed they were committing murder, they would have no problems with other forms of murder, as well, right?

ljmac -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/15/2008 11:45:43 PM)
Fifty million dead by abortion and Barak Obama can't find one baby that should have been protected legally. Maybe it was just a wild guess that someone who would twist the arm of a girl to kill her baby would vote for Obama. They have shared values. Anyone notice the odd reaction of so-called pro-life liberals to stories like this? A grandma has her baby killed and they get mad at Republicans.

Sophie11 -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/16/2008 12:10:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: tafkam quote: It seems as if some churches actually encourage a member facing this choice to "quietly" go the abortion route. I can only assume yo u can point to a documented case of this happening to support such an outlandish claim. I don't doubt that some Christians are two-faced on the subject, but they are hardly the mainstream.... Outlandish? I'm speaking from experience. You can believe me or not, it's your choice. I have no "documentation" to prove my point (where would I get it?). Anyway, it would be interesting to find out what other churchs' policies are regarding teen members who come up pregnant. How a church deals with this "problem" could determine the actions other members take when they are face with the same situation. Who knows? There may be teens in some of your churches who faced the save dilemna and chose to "quietly" take care of the problem instead of facing "humiliation." - Julius It is incredible to me that you can take a story like this and manage to find a way to blame churches! If you are so against abortion, you are on the same side of the church, my friend. Yes, yes I am sure there are some churches that are not as lovely as they make themselves sound when dealing with matters like these, and by your anger no doubt you might have had some experience dealing with it firsthand. But, if there is one group of people who are most willing to stick by till the end to fight this matter it is the churchgoing, bible believing citizens of this country, don't forget that!

SovereignIsHe -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/16/2008 3:50:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Yes, but the vast majority of the left is pro killing unborn children in cold blood, like Obama... John Yes. And after we are done supporting abortion, we head back to the temple of Baal and sacrifice newborns as well. Of course, that's not enough for some liberals. I hear that Ruth Bader Ginsburg went into a crowded shopping mall with a machine gun and started shooting. Obviously, if the left truly believed they were committing murder, they would have no problems with other forms of murder, as well, right? Whatever they believe doesn't change the fact abortion is cold blooded murder and that they support it... Actually for those who believe murdering unborn children is ok it would be better for them to worship Baal, they are more accountable for their actions if they claim to follow Christ. As for Obama, it's a double wammy, the man claims Christ and is in a place of ordained authority... He couldn't heap more coals upon his head with a steam shovel.... John

rlj -> RE: One less Obama voter (6/16/2008 7:29:57 AM)
quote: Anyone notice the odd reaction of so-called pro-life liberals to storied like this? A grandma has her baby killed and they get mad at Republicans. Dear Ahnold, Thank you for your concern about this unborn baby. God Bless you!

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