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galadriel2 -> Rush is right (6/12/2008 2:22:47 PM)

I think Rush Limbaugh has been right the past few days. He has been commenting on how bit by bit our rights are being taken from us: 1- no cheering, throwing caps, talking about Christ, at some high school graduations, 2- taxing big oil so that government gets more money for themselves that should be going into the free market/capitalist system. In other words, it is an attack on the free market system in favor of bigger government and with less freedom for the citizens and more control for government. Less money in our pockets is less freedom.

I was watching Glenn Beck a while back and I think it was Ben Stein who was talking about how big oil is us. It isn't a we-they type thing that is being portrayed by Hillary and Sen. Obama. Who works at the oil companies? Who are the share holders? It is we/us.

I also think that Rush has been right about the Mrs. Obama thing - that if she is going to go out there and give political speeches then those comments are open for political comment - as is Sen. Obama'a pastor of many years, his middle name, comments Senator Obama makes, etc..

God bless all,
Galadriel2



freakofnature -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 2:25:46 PM)

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I think Rush Limbaugh has been right the past few days


Dangerous territory there galadriel2. Ssshhhhhh... I hope your up for a long drawn out argument...


-out.



galadriel2 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 2:29:32 PM)

Thanks for the headsup, freakofnature. I will have to pull up my bootstraps for this if it comes to that.

God bless abundantly,
Galadriel2



stamper_ben -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 2:39:06 PM)

One thing to remember when discussing this type topic on this forum - Right-wing pundits are biased. Left-wing ones are balanced and fair.[;)]



jkdjr25 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 2:51:12 PM)

I used to listen to Rush, drifted away from it after I got out of college.

There are legitimate questions to be asked in regards to oil. I've got no problems with people having the discussion, in fact I encourage people to openly talk about it. We should discuss whether taxing oil companies is appropriate, we should talk about the moral and ethical issues surrounding companies that are charging so much at the gas tank yet are also making record profits from it. Investigating whether or not the speculators are unduly influencing the cost of oil is another facet of the conversation.

However I don't think that Rush, or Glenn are right in some of their ideas. They have some good points but where they falter is in their spoken desire to let oil companies drill where ever and however they want. That's just not a good idea. I'm all for responsible drilling, if it will actually do some good. I'm also for expanding the research into using hyrdogen powercells, like Honda is doing.

No one side is totally right on any issue. There are points to be heard on both sides and in order to reach the truth you need to know both.

As has been said, understanding is a three edged sword. Yours, mine and the Truth.

Just my two cents. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.



cow451 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 3:07:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

I think Rush Limbaugh has been right the past few days. He has been commenting on how bit by bit our rights are being taken from us: God bless all,
Galadriel2


[sm=crystreams.gif] What he didn't mention is the right to whine, which is freely exercised.



mapachito13 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 3:55:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

Who works at the oil companies? Who are the share holders? It is we/us.



Wrong, they have the last name Bush! And the assault on our freedoms have happened during this republican's administration! The only republican plank this President has remained faithful too is the one on abortion!



kernsfamily -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 3:55:41 PM)

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1- no cheering, throwing caps, talking about Christ, at some high school graduations,


the no "mention" of Christ has been a tough one.

MOST schools will allow, rightfully, for student speakers to exercise their "right to expression", if they so desire to. As long is it is the initiated by the STUDENT, and not the school....

Recently, a local college "suggested" to the student speakers to NOT have any mention of "religion" or "prayer" or anything like that. Of course, the Christian uproar started (How DARE you do that, they said).....

So, the college backed off....and, said that "religious speech" was an "exercise of religious expression", and told them that IF they wanted to, to go ahead and basically say what they wanted.

So, that's what happened.

The student speakers spoke....then, a Hindu student, who was the valedictorian or something like that, said a prayer.....

And, again, the Christian uproar started again (How DARE you do that, they said.....)

What does the U.S. Dept. of Education have to say about it in their document, "Guidance on Constitutionally Protected Prayer in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools"...which is the universal "guide" to students rights regarding this subject:

http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

Prayer at Graduation

School officials may not mandate or organize prayer at graduation or select speakers for such events in a manner that favors religious speech such as prayer. Where students or other private graduation speakers are selected on the basis of genuinely neutral, evenhanded criteria and retain primary control over the content of their expression, however, that expression is not attributable to the school and therefore may not be restricted because of its religious (or anti-religious) content. To avoid any mistaken perception that a school endorses student or other private speech that is not in fact attributable to the school, school officials may make appropriate, neutral disclaimers to clarify that such speech (whether religious or nonreligious) is the speaker's and not the school's.



kernsfamily -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:05:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

Who works at the oil companies? Who are the share holders? It is we/us.



Wrong, they have the last name Bush! And the assault on our freedoms have happened during this republican's administration! The only republican plank this President has remained faithful too is the one on abortion!


assault on exactly which of my freedoms? iam doing exactly the same things I did than previously (well, except for "enjoying" living at a higher standard of living, since we have been "prospering"....especially the last 4 years)....Oops...was I supposed to actually ADMIT that???.....one knows that admission of "doing well" isn't "Accepted", since we're SUPPOSED to be "drones", and be "drinking the kool-aid" and believing "the Left" that EVERYONE one is just so miserable.....
(DARN...now i really let the cat out of the bag.....now, i'll be abducted on the way home, never to be seen again....since I went "against the grain".....)

i know I am getting to KEEP more of my money, than I did previously.....that's a "bad, bad thing", as well.....DARN....

ok...bring in the socialist government right now....before I lose my mind!



galadriel2 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:07:04 PM)

Well, good news on the free speech about Christ and religion at school, kernsfamily.

I disagree, mapachito13. President Bush doesn't own the oil companies. I do agree with the comment that under Pres. Bush we have lost several rights - but the Dems don't seem too much in an uproar about it.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2



mapachito13 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:20:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

Well, good news on the free speech about Christ and religion at school, kernsfamily.

I disagree, mapachito13. President Bush doesn't own the oil companies. I do agree with the comment that under Pres. Bush we have lost several rights - but the Dems don't seem too much in an uproar about it.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2


You do remember that the Bush family made their fortune in oil don't you?



tafkam -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:26:26 PM)

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! And the assault on our freedoms have happened during this republican's administration!


Perhaps you can name for us a single freedom that you personally have lost under the Bush administration.

Then again, perhaps not....

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You do remember that the Bush family made their fortune in oil don't you?


And exactly what oil stock does G.W. Bush currently hold?



kernsfamily -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:41:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

Well, good news on the free speech about Christ and religion at school, kernsfamily.

I disagree, mapachito13. President Bush doesn't own the oil companies. I do agree with the comment that under Pres. Bush we have lost several rights - but the Dems don't seem too much in an uproar about it.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2


You do remember that the Bush family made their fortune in oil don't you?


and, so have many, many other hard-working people.....(i live around the corner from Exxon-Mobil's HQ, where thousands work each day.... a few are MY neighbors)

from what you're saying, once Bush leaves...and, presumably Obama takes office, oil prices on the world markets will plummet???

and, exactly how will that happen?



kernsfamily -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 4:53:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

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! And the assault on our freedoms have happened during this republican's administration!


Perhaps you can name for us a single freedom that you personally have lost under the Bush administration.

Then again, perhaps not....

quote:

You do remember that the Bush family made their fortune in oil don't you?


And exactly what oil stock does G.W. Bush currently hold?


If Obama gets elected, you can be sure the liberals will enact an updated version of the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" on the airways, essentially silencing conservative "talk radio".....since they are still "up in arms" that no one wanted to tune into "Air America"......they couldn't get anyone to listen to them there, so they are going to "gag" the hosts of the programs that people CHOOSE to listen to. Legislate any "opposition" out of business.....
and, while they will target conservative "talk radio", for not being "balanced", you can be sure that the liberal NPR will remain the same. Cause it's speech that's "approved" by the DNC.

so, there's a 'Freedom of Speech" right that we're in jeopardy of losing......

http://www.hypocrisycaucus.org/



galadriel2 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 5:01:58 PM)

Well, mapachito, I agree with kernsfamily: so what if Pres. Bush made money in oil. I think the problem comes in if you go into Iraq because of the oil, or if you defraud the Iraqis once you are over there because of the oil - which I have read - this latter thing happened. I think the oil also influenced our decision to go to war because of the threat the Bush administration felt that Saddam Hussayn was to the oil industry. I think that there were other reasons for going to war as well - like the Bush administration thinks that democracy is the foundation for peace instead of what the Bible teaches which is that Christ is the foundation for peace.

As far as rights being taken away, I know this was addressed to mapachito, but personally, I have lost several of my rights at a profound level because of how I chose to apply my Christian faith to the 'war on terror'. It is truly tragic how some people responded to 9/11.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2



SuspenseWriter -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 5:04:52 PM)

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and, exactly how will that happen?



Umm...because he's the Messiah...? [:D]



tafkam -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 5:08:00 PM)

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but personally, I have lost several of my rights at a profound level because of how I chose to apply my Christian faith to the 'war on terror'


And those specific rights would be......?



galadriel2 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 5:10:35 PM)

...takfam...right to privacy, right to practice my religion without the interference of the government, right to move about freely without being harrassed...it is a long story that I don't care to go into in detail.

God bless you abundantly,
Galadriel2



kernsfamily -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 5:29:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

...takfam...right to privacy, right to practice my religion without the interference of the government, right to move about freely without being harrassed...it is a long story that I don't care to go into in detail.

God bless you abundantly,
Galadriel2


there are always stories of "isolated incidents"....such as student's bibles being taken away at school, or students being told they cannot pray at lunchtime.....as with those, just as an example, it's NOT the "law" or "right" that is taken away entirely, as it is someone being the victim of an individual who is ignorant/misinformed regarding exactly what rights a person has...

as I can see....freedom to practice religion has never been MORE exercised....over the past 10-20 years, there has been more religious programming (TV, radio, internet) than EVER before....(now, the CONTENT of that programming may be "questionable", but the "rights" remain the same)....

we DO live in the freest country on the planet.....by far....



SonInMe1 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 6:56:10 PM)

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You do remember that the Bush family made their fortune in oil don't you?


...and the Kennedy's made their money in bootleg whiskey.

I prefer oil.

Do you think we would be paying 50 cents a gallon if a democrat was in office?

So life gets a little tough and we cry out to God to save us? Nope. We cry out to Congress. Sounds like an....idol.....to me.

What can Congress do? How will taxing the oil companies LOWER the price of gas?????? Seems very counter productive.

The graduation thing.....if it is about the kids....and to be honest I have never been to a graduation that was about the kids. They seem to be commercials for the schools, but that is another thread. If graduations were about the kids, then having any expression of a religious belief...that is any...is protected by our constitution.

There...seems...to be some possible fraud in the commodities markets concerning oil which I have heard is rising the price. I don't understand how that actually works and if these are true market forces that attribute "naturally" to the price of oil, but from what I have heard, it does sound like fraud and possibly could be addressed by the government.

Maybe someone with more financial sauvy could comment...?



iluvatar -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 8:24:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: galadriel2

I think Rush Limbaugh has been right the past few days. He has been commenting on how bit by bit our rights are being taken from us: 1- no cheering, throwing caps, talking about Christ, at some high school graduations, 2- taxing big oil so that government gets more money for themselves that should be going into the free market/capitalist system. In other words, it is an attack on the free market system in favor of bigger government and with less freedom for the citizens and more control for government. Less money in our pockets is less freedom.

I was watching Glenn Beck a while back and I think it was Ben Stein who was talking about how big oil is us. It isn't a we-they type thing that is being portrayed by Hillary and Sen. Obama. Who works at the oil companies? Who are the share holders? It is we/us.

I also think that Rush has been right about the Mrs. Obama thing - that if she is going to go out there and give political speeches then those comments are open for political comment - as is Sen. Obama'a pastor of many years, his middle name, comments Senator Obama makes, etc..

God bless all,
Galadriel2


So let me get this straight - he was using the windfall profits tax as an example of us "losing our freedoms" but he ignored this administration's affinity for warrantless wiretaps and denying any sort of legal rights to GitMo detainees.

-Dan.



tafkam -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 9:38:39 PM)

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denying any sort of legal rights to GitMo detainees


Since when do POWs have legal rights?



mapachito13 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 9:40:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

And those specific rights would be......?


Rights affected

The government has the RIGHT now to spy on you at any time they like under the guise of national security.



jkdjr25 -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 9:42:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

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denying any sort of legal rights to GitMo detainees


Since when do POWs have legal rights?


Since the creation of this little thing called the Geneva Convention.



tafkam -> RE: Rush is right (6/12/2008 9:42:47 PM)

If you'll notice, my original question was "what rights have YOU PERSONALLY lost under this administration?" (Post #12 if you're interested...)

Insert sound of crickets chirping.....



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