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jazzact13 -> Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/5/2008 8:09:25 AM)
Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives quote: Drawing on extensive attitude surveys, Schweizer’s “Makers and Takers: Why Conservatives Work Harder, Feel Happier, Have Closer Families, Take Fewer Drugs, Give More Generously, Value Honesty More, Are Less Materialistic and Envious, Whine Less . . . and Even Hug Their Children More Than Liberals,” which comes out this week, says liberals are much more likely than conservatives to think about themselves first and are less willing to make sacrifices for others. Some 71 percent of conservatives say they have an obligation to care for a seriously injured spouse or parent, compared with 46 percent for liberals. Asked if they would endure all things for the one they love, 55 percent of conservatives say yes, compared with 26 percent of liberals. “Modern liberalism is a wonderful tool to kind of avoid having to make much change in your life,” Schweizer says. “It’s kind of in my mind the equivalent to carbon offsets. You don’t need to change anything in your life, you simply have to sort of stamp this document or pay this minor price, and the problems in your life just sort of go away.” Interesting article. May have to look for this book next time I'm at the bookstore.

SonInMe1 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/5/2008 7:40:23 PM)
Personal responsibility tends to make more responsible people.

colliefan -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/6/2008 5:48:36 PM)
The attitude of libs is that of government responsibility. The attitude of conservatives is personal responsibility. The libs give away fishes. Conservatives teach people how to fish. Why is it that albore listed only $500 in charitable contributions on his 2000 tax return. And this on income in the upper six figures.

mapachito13 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/6/2008 5:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: colliefan The libs give away fishes. Conservatives teach people how to fish. More like libs give away fishes paid for by others. Conservatives sell you the fish or charge you to learn how to fish to make a profit.

ElmerFishpaw -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/7/2008 9:22:17 AM)
"Liberal" vs. "Conservative" or "left" vs. "right" is just ludicrous.......Most people confuse the terms anyways..left and liberal don't mean the same thing and neither does right and conservative.... Those in power (corporations nowadays) love it, absolutely love that we fight amongst ourselves "You darn libs!!" and "Those miserable neocons!!" they love it when the finger pointing goes sideways but please don't point the finger upwards where it needs to be pointed.

HisFish -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/7/2008 9:48:25 AM)
Yeah, ive heard this statistic before and it sounds right, but i wonder if they just compared secular left vs secular right if there would be that much of a difference since faith would be the component that makes the needle swing more one way than the other, IMO.

SteveSund -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/7/2008 9:25:59 PM)
It is certainly interesting, but having participated in some studies (on both ends) has made me skeptical until I can get a better look at the methods and data. I have seen past studies that have shown liberals are more likely to be criminals and conservatives are less intelligent. In many cases, they are of limited value I checked the author's bio and his expertise does not seem to be in the area of social psychology, but rather: quote: International relations, national security affairs, U.S. presidency . I am not saying he is wrong, but has certainly made a living off of making liberals look bad, so I will take what he says with a grain of salt. That being said, I am interested in what he presents.

ljmac -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/7/2008 11:54:44 PM)
The Generosity Index by the Catalog for Philanthropy attempts to rank states by charitable giving. At the time of the last presidential election, all of the the states in the top half went for GWB. All of the states in the bottom 10 went for Kerry except one. charitable states for GWB, stingy ones for Kerry

ljmac -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/8/2008 12:15:05 AM)
When living in the Governor's mansion in Arkansas the Clinton's itemized their charitable donations. They took questionably high amounts on worn items like running shoes, underwear and shower curtains. When living in the Vice President's mansion Al and Tipper Gore claimed less than $400 charitable donations in 1997, which amounted to $1 for every $560 of income. Barak H. Obama's tax returns show that he gave very little to charity until the year he decided to run for President. This was discussed here.

ik3900 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/8/2008 8:46:43 AM)
Liberals are better looking than conservatives.....

HisFish -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/8/2008 9:42:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ik3900 Liberals are better looking than conservatives..... Nancy pelosi being one example[:D][:D]

ik3900 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/8/2008 9:57:41 AM)
Touche! [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: HisFish quote: ORIGINAL: ik3900 Liberals are better looking than conservatives..... Nancy pelosi being one example[:D][:D]

mikeman2 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/8/2008 10:34:58 PM)
I think one first needs to define what being "conservative" and "liberal" mean. In fact, it seems to mean different things to different people. For example, the fact that Bush was supported by the Christian right and gone to war in many peoples minds make him a conservative. However, how is this so? For example, if you support banning abortion you are a soical conservative, however, if you support banning home schooling in California you are a social liberal. What's up with that? Also, I don't see how going to war makes one a conservative. Then you add to the mix the fact that people vary on the political spectrum depending on the issue. For example, Bush spends like a drunken sailor which is anything but a conservative notion but then gives us tax breaks which is a conservative notion. This is in contrast to a liberal like Clinton who ended up with a budget surplus in comparison but gave us no tax breaks. I suppose you could add up all the conservative positions verses liberal positions and then which ever outweighs the other makes them either conservative or liberal. I do have an intersting question to everyone, however, was Christ a liberal or conservative? For example, I have heard him been called a social conservative but a fiscal liberal. However, he broke the social norms of his day considering he never married and challenged the religious establishment. In fact, they are the only ones he oppossed directly. He also showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery who should have been stoned under Mosaic law. For these reasons he could be referred to as a social liberal. Conversly, in terms of being fiscally liberal, it is true that he gave money to the poor and served God rather than mammon, however, there are examples which seems to indicate he was a fiscal conservative. He once rebuked Judus for rebuking Marry from annoiting his feet with a precious ointment by saying that it was OK because the poor you have with you always. He also gave parables which seem to suggest that he who does much with much that is given will gain even more and those that do nothing with next to nothing will have even less.

blessedinnyc -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/9/2008 9:26:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac The Generosity Index by the Catalog for Philanthropy attempts to rank states by charitable giving. At the time of the last presidential election, all of the the states in the top half went for GWB. All of the states in the bottom 10 went for Kerry except one. charitable states for GWB, stingy ones for Kerry Of course, almost all of the states in the top half are now soundly against GWB, but that's a whole 'nother story. quote: He once rebuked Judus for rebuking Marry from annoiting his feet with a precious ointment by saying that it was OK because the poor you have with you always. Conservatives may carry this parable further- I think in Luke, it states that Judas actually wanted to pocket the money. The Antichrist, Judas, and Satan are all evil liberals, after all. [:D]

colliefan -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/9/2008 11:16:52 PM)
quote: I think in Luke, it states that Judas actually wanted to pocket the money. It is in John 12:6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it.

colliefan -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/9/2008 11:30:44 PM)
quote: He once rebuked Judus for rebuking Marry from annoiting his feet with a precious ointment by saying that it was OK because the poor you have with you always. John 12:1 - 8 (ESV) 1Six days before the Passover, Jesus therefore came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2So they gave a dinner for him there. Martha served, and Lazarus was one of those reclining with him at the table. 3Mary therefore took a pound� of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was about to betray him), said, 5�Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii� and given to the poor?� 6He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it. 7Jesus said, �Leave her alone, so that she may keep it� for the day of my burial. 8The poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me.� The focus here is NOT the poor, but Mary's sacrifice and worship. She took in essence what was her "safety net" poured the ointment over Jesus' feet and in an act of humility wiped his feet with her hair. Because of liberals and their policies, too many of the poor have an attitude of entitlement. An attitude that government owes them. Liberals do not care about the poor because they have little or no programs to help the poor escape their poverty. If they did excape, they wouldb't have a cause celeb!

ljmac -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 1:06:04 AM)
Syracuse professor Howard Brooks wrote a book called "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." He discovered that while liberals regularly insult conservatives as selfish, conservatives regularly are more charitable. They give more money to religious organizations, they give more money to secular charitable organizations, they donate more of their time. cheap, cheap, cheap

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 1:16:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: colliefan The libs give away fishes. Conservatives teach people how to fish. More like libs give away fishes paid for by others. Conservatives sell you the fish or charge you to learn how to fish to make a profit. The libs must be making some profit in the deal some of the richest senators are Democrats... Normally there is about 20 millionaires on each side with the Demo taking the top five or so spots� John

ljmac -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 1:16:34 AM)
ABC news reporter John Stossel had the Salvation Army put a kettle in front of Macy's in San Fransicko and in front of Wal Mart in Sioux Falls. "...even though people in Sioux Falls make, on average, half as much money as people in San Francisco, and even though the San Francisco location was much busier -- three times as many people were within reach of the bucket -- by the end of the second day, the Sioux Falls bucket held twice as much money." San Francisco Obama values

SonInMe1 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 7:49:53 AM)
quote: The Antichrist, Judas, and Satan are all evil liberals, after all. That would be my opinion.

P31W -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 8:47:46 AM)
I picked up a copy of the book yesterday - MAKERS AND TAKERS Why conservatives are....... This is from the book and the article posted above. �Liberals often feel overwhelmed by life�s problems because they are waiting for the government to fix them,� Schweizer says. ��When it doesn�t, liberals blame others (and �society�) for their misfortune.� Thus, liberalism �often damages its own adherents the most,� Schweitzer says. �Modern liberal ideas consistently encourage bad habits and destructive behavioral tendencies,� says Schweizer, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution. Schweizer says liberalism is appealing because it gives lip service to lofty ideals but demands little action. Liberalism considers as noble those who complain about personal difficulties and display anger or denounce our �money-making culture,� but liberalism does not stress taking personal responsibility and action. _______---end of copy What Peter is trying to show is that "beliefs" are going to show themselves though our actions. His intent is to prove that liberal ideas/beliefs are the most destructive to those individuals who hold such views/beliefs. I don't give the book very high ratings because I like more detailed information and footnotes. However I do agree with the basic theme of the book. In some ways it shows the same thing that hundreds of books and other studies show concerning people's beliefs. Beliefs - actions - outcome Same types of studied conducted all the time in the christian community as well. There is a direct connection.

Boofhead -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 9:22:46 AM)
May I please ask.... WHAT is this 'liberal' business? Is America so badly under the spell of political correctness? I understand that political correctness has a grip in most developed nations, but this tops it off. Like even the conservatives call these lefties 'liberals'. When will Americans (or at least the conservative Americans) start calling a spade a spade and refer to these 'liberals' as socialists or just plain old fashion 'reds under the bed'? [:D] Every time I read something about a liberal on these forums I am utterly insulted. A liberal in Australia is often referred to as a conservative (supporter or member of the conservative Liberal Party). Referring to a socialist as a liberal is very degrading to Aussie conservatives like myself. [:(] [:D]

ElmerFishpaw -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 9:46:01 AM)
In the USA alot of people mistakenly think liberal and left mean the same thing, they really don't. I'm left wing for sure, but I'm not a liberal. I don't take it as an insult if someone called me a Socialist, because my beliefs run that way, and I don't think most people understand what Socialism is or isn't (it isn't "the gov runs/owns everything") In any event, the people in power whether government or corporate love when we point fingers at each other....left vs. Right or Conservative vs. Liberal, just so long as the fingers don't point at them. Make no mistake, you are dirt under their feet to them, that applies to Bush or Obama or Oil company execs....but thankfully not Jesus.... Just remember, you have a heck of a lot more in common with your neighbor no matter what his or her beliefs than your high up official or the CEO of your company (this also applies to race issues as well). We are all on the Earth together, so common ground between us has to be looked for. quote: ORIGINAL: Boofhead May I please ask.... WHAT is this 'liberal' business? Is America so badly under the spell of political correctness? I understand that political correctness has a grip in most developed nations, but this tops it off. Like even the conservatives call these lefties 'liberals'. When will Americans (or at least the conservative Americans) start calling a spade a spade and refer to these 'liberals' as socialists or just plain old fashion 'reds under the bed'? [:D] Every time I read something about a liberal on these forums I am utterly insulted. A liberal in Australia is often referred to as a conservative (supporter or member of the conservative Liberal Party). Referring to a socialist as a liberal is very degrading to Aussie conservatives like myself. [:(] [:D]

1dblthnk02 -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 10:12:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Interesting article. May have to look for this book next time I'm at the bookstore. Gee, a right wing site plugs a book by a conservative writer who slams liberals . . . will wonders never cease. Who cares?

JimboFletch -> RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives (6/10/2008 11:40:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02 quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Interesting article. May have to look for this book next time I'm at the bookstore. Gee, a right wing site plugs a book by a conservative writer who slams liberals . . . will wonders never cease. Who cares? Didn't I make a similar point in another thread but you thought YOUR sources should be swallowed without question? [8\|]

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