RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Conservatives
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/11/2008 3:19:31 PM
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jazzact13
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Not all conservatives are like this, but it seems that the TAX CUT at all cost group want, Law and order, a strong milatary, good infrastructure and all the perks of americian citasinship for free.
For free? Really?
I think that you're caricature is a bit off, as such caricatures tend to be. By and large, conservatives tend to know a bit about the cost of freedom, and so tend to value it. So, as a strong military, law and order, and probably even a good infrastructure are things necessary for freedom to be preserved, then those things are taken into account.
What gets our goat are things such as 1. People of sound mind and body who do little to nothing to take care of themselves but who expect the government, or more accurately taxpayers via the government, to do it for them, and 2. Political rhetoric which appeals to such as those by saying they will take from those who have worked and earned and give to those who have not worked and earned, and 3. Wasteful political spending that does little to nothing to help anyone.
If wastefully itself were cut, then very likely taxes could be drastically cut as well.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/11/2008 3:21:32 PM
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As I recall from a previous discussion and study (sorry, don't have a link), what was found was that religious people tended to give more than non-religious people, and since more conservatives were religious, therefore overall conservatives gave more. The "liberal"/"conservative" divide in my opinion separates we who serve Christ a lot less than the "Christian"/"non-Christian" divide, and it would be interesting to see where that one falls in terms of charity, etc.
This smug "conservatives are superior" statistics from conservatives, and equally smug "liberals are superior" statistics from liberals, are really getting kind of tiresome. Better to know someone as a person than as part of a statistic, and I can see for myself charity or lack of charity in people around me.
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According to these supposedly unbiased studies, conservatives are mean-spirited, greedy, selfish malcontents with authoritarian tendencies.
Ironically, Schweizer is now advancing a study arguing that liberals are "mean-spirited, greedy, selfish malcontents with authoritarian tendencies." Presumably within a short period of time we will see an "objective" statistical refutation coming along from the other side of the aisle trying to prove Schweizer wrong.
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Schweizer argues that the failure lies in modern liberal ideas, which foster a self-centered, “if it feels good do it” attitude that leads liberals to outsource their responsibilities to the government and focus instead on themselves and their own desires.
This sounds more like a caricature of a subset of liberalism, really.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/11/2008 8:59:11 PM
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not as intense as the "Nikon vs. Canon" debates over on some photography forums I visit though....:<)
Canon FTW!!!
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/11/2008 9:25:53 PM
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By the way I live in south Florida and the weather is a major concern...and one reason why I rent.
If you rent please get renter's insurance. Many years ago when I was living in Largo, one of the area's infamous lightning storms hit my apartment complex. The aparment below me was destroyed, but since the building was made of brick, the only damage to my stuff was smoke damage.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/12/2008 7:25:42 AM
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Obama's charitable giving as a percentage of his income. You can find the information by examining his personal income tax forms
2006: 6.1%
2005: 4.7%
2004: 1.2%
2003: 1.4%
2002: 0.4%
2001: 0.5%
2000: 0.9%
These stats are NOT in the book but are a good indication that what the book has to say about what liberals say they do and what they actually do is correct.
Sometimes you just need to examine the evidence before you. See if it lines up with what people "tell you".
It appears to me that he believes the government should provide for others and it's reflected in his own lack of giving to the poor or needy.
As numerous studied prove - your beliefs have an effect on your actions.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/12/2008 7:41:45 AM
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Better to know someone as a person than as part of a statistic, and I can see for myself charity or lack of charity in people around me.
I am about to go do some chairty work this morning. We take meals to people who are sick or homebound. We have ZERO liberals in our group although they have certainly been asked to help us. This is a church group and we DO have liberals in our congregation. Heck the liberals don't even help with VBS now that I think about it.
I never realized this until this morning thinking about what you just said.
I also realized thinking about what you just said that we had ZERO liberals help in the community effort to build a new soup kitchen. I know all the people involved down to the young teenage girls who just planted the flowers in the front of the building. All the people from the contractors who gave of their time to the suppliers who donated the bldg materials and cash are conservatives.
Just looking around me it's pretty easy for me to see "who" gives and helps and who does not. I live in a "liberal" area (the road I live on) yet my neighbors are never to be found when it comes to helping the poor and needy. I cannot recall any of the liberals on my road even offering to be part of the community day or the volunteer fire dept.
You are correct. My own experience pretty much tells the truth.
Heck now that I think about it and my involvement in the helping commuity for decades now I cannot name for you ANY liberal? I am sure there are a few but going way back those who were the most active (meaning I can remember the sacrifice they made and their face was the one we could rely on) are conservatives.
Just confirms for me what the book is trying to say.
Your beliefs will dictate your actions.
Liberals believe it's the government's responsibility to care for the poor and needy therefore THEY don't tend to give of themselves or their resources to help others. They honestly don't believe it's their responsibility.
Liberal beliefs harm the individual as well as the community. They rot us to the core.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/12/2008 8:19:24 AM
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If you rent please get renter's insurance.
I've slept on a mattress and had little furnishings before. In some ways...its kinda fun.
Most of the stuff we have is years old or really isn't our's or was given to us. Losing it all wouldn't be a big loss...probably uncomfortable for a while, but not that big of a deal.
The weather might make ya "homeless" in Florida...but the weather also is kinda nice.
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RE: Peter Schweizer: Liberals Are More Selfish Than Con... - 6/13/2008 7:24:37 AM
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As I recall from a previous discussion and study (sorry, don't have a link), what was found was that religious people tended to give more than non-religious people, and since more conservatives were religious, therefore overall conservatives gave more. The "liberal"/"conservative" divide in my opinion separates we who serve Christ a lot less than the "Christian"/"non-Christian" divide, and it would be interesting to see where that one falls in terms of charity, etc
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since more conservatives were religious, therefore overall conservatives gave more.
Yes our beliefs effect our actions. That is what the article and book are about. How liberal beliefs vs conservative beliefs cause people to act differantly and how those differant actions produce certain outcomes.
http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=187
copy from the study
“Born again Christians" were defined in these surveys as people who said they have made "a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important in their life today" and who also indicated they believe that when they die they will go to Heaven because they had confessed their sins and had accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.
“Evangelicals" are a subset of born again Christians in Barna surveys. In addition to meeting the born again criteria, evangelicals also meet seven other conditions. Those include saying their faith is very important in their life today; contending that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; stating that Satan exists; maintaining that eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not works; asserting that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; saying that the Bible is totally accurate in all it teaches; and describing God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today.
Churches receive the largest share of the money donated each year. In 2004, two-thirds of all adults (65%) donated some money to a church or other place of worship.
The people most likely to have given money to a religious center in the past year were
Protestants (76%),
upscale adults (77%),
political conservatives (80%),
born again Christians (85%), and
evangelical Christians (97%).
Those least likely to support church work included atheists and agnostics (18%), residents of the Northeast (55%) and Asian-Americans (43%).
Protestants continue to give more generously to their churches than do Catholics.
Protestant adults gave an average of $1304 to churches in 2004, compared to $547 given by the typical Catholic
The most generous donors of all, however, were evangelicals, who averaged $3250 in church giving.
I just found this link. You will want to read it because it directly addresses Christian liberals vs Christian conservatives and their giving. http://www.worldmag.com/articles/12493
WORLD: Overall, do liberals or conservatives give more to charity and volunteer more of their time?
BROOKS: Conservatives give privately more to charity than liberals do. For example, households headed by a conservative donate, on average, 30 percent more dollars than households headed by a liberal. And this isn't because conservatives earn more: On the contrary, liberal families earn an average of 6 percent more per year than conservative families, and conservative families give more than liberal families within every income class, from poor to middle class to rich. These differences go beyond money as well. Take blood donations, for example. In 2002, conservative Americans were more likely to donate blood each year, and did so more often, than liberals.
WORLD: How do religious liberals and secular liberals compare?
BROOKS: Just like conservatives, these two groups are worlds apart. Religious liberals give at extremely high rates—very similarly to religious conservatives, actually—while secular liberals give little. The big problem for liberal charity today is that the population of religious liberals is shrinking quickly, as the American political left secularizes due to low liberal fertility and the attrition of people of faith to the political right. Today, there are nearly twice as many secular liberals as there are religious ones. In contrast, there are nearly three times as many religious conservatives as secular ones.
(the above points out what you in the quote I copied)
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