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Solus -> Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 2:03:40 PM)
It looks as if the two choices picked by the media are John McCain and Barrack Obama. Many people say that they will vote for McCain because "he's not as bad as Obama". But is that right? Should we settle because he is "not as bad"? The lesser of two evils is still evil. Fortuanately, there are more than just two choices. This year I urge everyone to find the candidate who's views and positions you can support. I am voting for Bob Barr. He is the Libertarian nominee. He is against abortion and against gay marriage (he is the author of the "Defense of Marriage Act") and he has the third largest party supporting him. When you limit yourself too just two choices and ignore the fact that their views are dangerous, you are essentially limiting God. http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 2:11:39 PM)
Don't kid yourself, EVERYBODY settles. Everybody. The difference between us voting GOP or Dem and those voting for "alternatives" is that our vote stands a chance of putting someone in the Whitehouse and theirs do not. Nada, Zip. Voting "Alternative" is just opting out of the system and pretending to do something. Going to the polls only salves their guilt of staying home during this crucial election.

djv1255 -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 2:43:03 PM)
Third parties should focus on getting people elected to Congress first. After they get 5 to 10 people elected then and only then should the third party have a presidential candidate. Build a base first. Work bottom up not top down.

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 2:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Don't kid yourself, EVERYBODY settles. Everybody. The difference between us voting GOP or Dem and those voting for "alternatives" is that our vote stands a chance of putting someone in the Whitehouse and theirs do not. Nada, Zip. Voting "Alternative" is just opting out of the system and pretending to do something. Going to the polls only salves their guilt of staying home during this crucial election. But the reason why third parties don't stand a chance is because people settle. What if everyone would vote for who they believed in? Voting for a candidate just because they have a chance (regardless of their positions) sounds like throwing your vote away. EDIT: 15% of American voters are said to have libertarian views. What if they voted for Bob Barr? What if the other 63% of Americans who do not vote suddenly decided to do so? What if we as Christians, instead of settling for the lesser of two evils stood up for our beliefs? Then it would be more than a possibility of him getting elected, it would be guranteed.

bzirk -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:00:18 PM)
I don't know what to think anymore, which might not be a bad thing. [&:] I just know that I'm completely dissatisfied with what is available. What that means for me personally in November, I really don't know. Frankly, I feel that I and most others have little or no voice in the government. This is about the most defeated I've ever felt when it comes to my civic duty. But I'm praying about my attitude. There's no question that we're at a crossroads and that 4 years of unchecked Democratic rules would not be good. But then again maybe it would wake up some people to the fact this country is moving towards socialism. I realize that word gets some eyes rolling, but it's that kind of dismissal that's gotten us where we are. What will it take to change things? An alternative candidate? How 'bout a lot of prayer.

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:08:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Solus quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Don't kid yourself, EVERYBODY settles. Everybody. The difference between us voting GOP or Dem and those voting for "alternatives" is that our vote stands a chance of putting someone in the Whitehouse and theirs do not. Nada, Zip. Voting "Alternative" is just opting out of the system and pretending to do something. Going to the polls only salves their guilt of staying home during this crucial election. But the reason why third parties don't stand a chance is because people settle..... No, it's because there are no PERFECT candidates for all Christians or Conservatives or whatever label you might apply to oneself. The most exciting candidate (to me) in my lifetime was Ronald Reagan and even he was not perfect by any stretch. I settled for a less than perfect candidate. And unless you choose to be blind (or run yourself), you will settle. Period.

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:17:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: Solus quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Don't kid yourself, EVERYBODY settles. Everybody. The difference between us voting GOP or Dem and those voting for "alternatives" is that our vote stands a chance of putting someone in the Whitehouse and theirs do not. Nada, Zip. Voting "Alternative" is just opting out of the system and pretending to do something. Going to the polls only salves their guilt of staying home during this crucial election. But the reason why third parties don't stand a chance is because people settle..... No, it's because there are no PERFECT candidates for all Christians or Conservatives or whatever label you might apply to oneself. The most exciting candidate (to me) in my lifetime was Ronald Reagan and even he was not perfect by any stretch. I settled for a less than perfect candidate. And unless you choose to be blind (or run yourself), you will settle. Period. I admit, I am settling somewhat. I wanted Ron Paul to win but now I am voting for Bob Barr. If you are happy with McCain or Obama then go vote for them. But if you want someone that wants more freedom for everyone and follows the constitution then you should not settle for either of the big two. Don't just give up.

bzirk -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:18:05 PM)
It's not a question of settling (since no one is perfect) but of how far. How bad does the candidate have to be before you will not give approval?

cow451 -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:24:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 Third parties should focus on getting people elected to Congress first. After they get 5 to 10 people elected then and only then should the third party have a presidential candidate. Build a base first. Work bottom up not top down. Ditto.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:34:30 PM)
solus, Would you be more inclined to vote for McCain if his running mate was a "Libertarian Republican"? There is one he is considering who is described that way.....

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:39:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Solus I admit, I am settling somewhat. I wanted Ron Paul to win but now I am voting for Bob Barr. If you are happy with McCain or Obama then go vote for them. But if you want someone that wants more freedom for everyone and follows the constitution then you should not settle for either of the big two. Don't just give up. It's not a matter of being happy. It's a matter of being practical. Bob Barr isn't going to the White House. You might as well vote for Pat Paulsen for what good your trip to the polls will accomplish. You are settling for a loser who will not affect a single national policy in the next 4 years.

HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 3:44:10 PM)
quote: It's not a question of settling (since no one is perfect) but of how far. How bad does the candidate have to be before you will not give approval? And, sometimes, no matter how much you dislike the candidate in your own party, you look on the other side of the aisle and think about just how horrible the other candidate is, and feel you need to stay loyal to your party out of plain fear for the country.

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:05:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod solus, Would you be more inclined to vote for McCain if his running mate was a "Libertarian Republican"? There is one he is considering who is described that way..... He could have Ron Paul, who I agree with completely, and I would not vote for him. I cannot vote for a man who is in favor of the PATRIOT Act, the REAL ID Act, and does not follow the constitution. Jimbofletch, do you honestly agree with McCain? If so then by all means, vote for him. but if not then wouldn't you rather vote for a candidate that believes the same as you and not simply one who might not be as bad as Obama? HighPlainsDrifter, McCain is almost as bad as Obama. I cannot in good concious support someone that I know would be a bad president and do harm to our country. Some might have no problem with that but I cannot do it.

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:11:43 PM)
quote: Jimbofletch, do you honestly agree with McCain? If so then by all means, vote for him. but if not then wouldn't you rather vote for a candidate that believes the same as you and not simply one who might not be as bad as Obama? Why on earth would I bother to vote for a candidate that I know for certain cannot, will not win? I do not expect to ever find a candidate that I agree with on all points and on their lifestyle or beliefs. Unless I'm willing to ignore unpleasant realities.

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:13:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: Jimbofletch, do you honestly agree with McCain? If so then by all means, vote for him. but if not then wouldn't you rather vote for a candidate that believes the same as you and not simply one who might not be as bad as Obama? Why on earth would I bother to vote for a candidate that I know for certain cannot, will not win? I do not expect to ever find a candidate that I agree with on all points and on their lifestyle or beliefs. Unless I'm willing to ignore unpleasant realities. But it is people like you that make it impossible for them to win. You don't vote for who you believe in, you just take one of the two candidates that you are told are your only choices, and then support someone just because you were lead to believe that they were one of only two possible choices. Regardless of wether or not you like Jesse Ventura, his election proved that a third party president can be elected governor if enough people believe in them and support them. The same holds true for president.

rhippie -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:15:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Don't kid yourself, EVERYBODY settles. Everybody. The difference between us voting GOP or Dem and those voting for "alternatives" is that our vote stands a chance of putting someone in the Whitehouse and theirs do not. Nada, Zip. Voting "Alternative" is just opting out of the system and pretending to do something. Going to the polls only salves their guilt of staying home during this crucial election. What "crucial election"? The choice is between what, other than the Iraq war? From all I've seen neither one of the two "non-alternatives" is worth a thimbleful of warm spit!

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:15:44 PM)
quote: McCain is almost as bad as Obama. There you go, you are willing to risk letting someone you admit is worse than McCain become President by throwing away your vote. When choosing a car, I weigh what I can afford against what I want or need. I'm certainly not going to burn up my savings just because I can't find the perfect match...

djv1255 -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:16:36 PM)
Tiny Tim tiptoeing thru the tulips will not get elected president.[sm=catinhatsmile.gif] In 2008, only Obama or McCain will be president. If you want to have an effect in the selection for president, choose one.[sm=dance.gif] No what if. If only.

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:17:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: McCain is almost as bad as Obama. There you go, you are willing to risk letting someone you admit is worse than McCain become President by throwing away your vote. When choosing a car, I weigh what I can afford against what I want or need. I'm certainly not going to burn up my savings just because I can't find the perfect match... No, I am just unwilling to vote for McCain because I know that he will make a horrible president.

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:17:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rhippie ... From all I've seen neither one of the two "non-alternatives" is worth a thimbleful of warm spit! Okay, which of alternative candidate has a snowball's chance in Miami of becoming President? NONE. NADA. ZIP.

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Solus No, I am just unwilling to vote for McCain because I know that he will make a horrible president. So you plan to take your ball and go home. Mature decision....

Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: rhippie ... From all I've seen neither one of the two "non-alternatives" is worth a thimbleful of warm spit! Okay, which of alternative candidate has a snowball's chance in Miami of becoming President? NONE. NADA. ZIP. And as I said before, it is people like you that make it that way.

rhippie -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: Jimbofletch, do you honestly agree with McCain? If so then by all means, vote for him. but if not then wouldn't you rather vote for a candidate that believes the same as you and not simply one who might not be as bad as Obama? Why on earth would I bother to vote for a candidate that I know for certain cannot, will not win? Then I would submit that for you the issue is not whether one candidate is better for the country than the other; the issue is voting for the "winner" and who cares about the cost to the country!! This mentality reminds me a great deal of the "My country Right or Wrong" that was around in the 60's only now it has evolved to "My Political Party Right or Wrong".

JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:20:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 In 2008, only Obama or McCain will be president. Exactly! Any other vote is not worth the trip to the polls.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/4/2008 4:21:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 Tiny Tim tiptoeing thru the tulips will not get elected president.[sm=catinhatsmile.gif] You stole my hat! [sm=chef.gif]

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