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Sideways -> The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 4:06:43 PM)

I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.

I've heard some women speak with longing about how women in the Victorian era were treated by men. Of course, they were only treated well if they had money. Female servants as young as 12 were routinely molested by their male bosses and if they became pregnant, then they were thrown out onto the streets as whores.

Even 50 years ago a woman would likely be fired from her job for getting married or worse, getting pregnant. Even if she didn't commit these crimes, she could easily be released just because a man came along who needed a job.

If you could, would you want to go back in time to live in a different era? Why? Would you be willing to give up basic rights to live in a different time?

For a woman or a non-white male... just what was so good about the "Good Old Days"?



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 4:12:25 PM)

I wouldn't go back, but I have a respectful husband and I think for alot of women that makes a big difference. I love my right to vote, my right to campaign for who I desire but I do wish that one of the 5 men watching me get my own luggage off the carosel at the airport would have offered to help considering I had a sleeping baby on me already[8|] But, that is their prerogative.



stellaluna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 4:16:13 PM)

I wouldn't go back either. I think times past are so romanticized by television and movies (and sometimes books) that people think they'd like to go back without really understanding what that means.



Nicole_Michelle -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 4:47:31 PM)

I wouldn't want to go back in time. I like the here and now. I've met a lot of rude people, but also a lot of kind, decent people. If I lived in time where I didn't have any rights and was treated like a slave I would go nuts. I couldn't imagine never having a say in anything important. And to have to wear a dress all the time would pretty much kill me. [sm=biggrin.gif]

I think people watch too many movies showing how "romantic" it was back in the day. [8D] Movies are movies and people live in fantasy worlds too often. [8D] I like the movies that show how it really was back in the day.



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 5:03:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
but I do wish that one of the 5 men watching me get my own luggage off the carosel at the airport would have offered to help considering I had a sleeping baby on me already[8|] But, that is their prerogative.


Honestly, I think any women watching you struggle were being rude, too. I'm a fairly strong, healthy woman, and assuming I'm not struggling with a baby of my own, I feel I should help those who need it, whether it's luggage or giving up my seat to an elderly person or pregnant woman.

Common courtesy is not restricted to gender, and it's really unfortunate that rudeness can be found on both sides of the gender aisle.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 5:08:02 PM)

I agree, Ruth. I've helped more then one momma who was traveling on her own.



Nicole_Michelle -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 5:15:48 PM)

Yeah, we should all help out if we are able. Whether we are a lady or a man. I've offered to help men out when they seemed to need a hand. They have always thanked me and it never hurt their "manliness". [:D]

If the good old days were better than now then I wouldn't mind going back in time. I think it was neat how a lot of people lived on farms and took care of everything themselves, but I have heard too many sad stories about back in the day which make me happy to live in the now.



nicole6598 -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 6:01:09 PM)

I would only go back because I like the clothes [:D]



artemis -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 6:08:22 PM)

I've always heard that people are friendlier/politer in Texas, so maybe that's part of the deal, but honestly, I've never had a problem with not being treated like a lady. Men open the door for women, the help them if they drop something and they offer to give up their seats when waiting outside a restaurant. We train 'em young, too, because my jr. high students are extremely polite to women (except for my middle eastern boys, but that's another story). My kiddos will open the door for me or any of their female classmates and if they see me moving a heavy object they always offer to do it for me.

Besides, giving up the right to vote for anything is just plain stupid. The only thing I would like to go back to would be a time when women were expected to stay home, especially once they had kids. I don't like being financially responsible for my husband and myself and I would be thrilled for him to work full time so I could stay home [8D]



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 6:35:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: artemis
The only thing I would like to go back to would be a time when women were expected to stay home, especially once they had kids. I don't like being financially responsible for my husband and myself and I would be thrilled for him to work full time so I could stay home [8D]


That would be fine, but you'd give up a lot depending on how far back you went. You might still retain the right to vote, but in many ways you'd still be a second class citizen, even if it were only 50 years ago.

But I understand your desire to stay home; I really do. I think women often had to come up with extra income back then, too, like taking in the laundry of rich women or something like that. They just didn't have the option of getting a professional level position with good pay and benefits.



laughinggirl -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 6:47:37 PM)

I agree with what Amy said. I live in Dallas and most people are pretty considerate. My husband has a slight limp and a cramped-up arm and people are constantly trying to help him. He's fully capable, but he appreciates the offers.

Sometimes I think it would be fun to go back in time to the 50's. Back when the concept of God and right and wrong were pretty much foregone conclusions in our country. You know? But then again, that era had its own share of wrongdoing (pre civil rights, etc.) So I guess I should just be content with the time in which I've been placed.



HisCovenant -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 6:57:56 PM)

I wouldn't go back, either. I can't imagine living without air conditioning!! Seriously! I would have melted here 75 years ago.

I think we need to be careful to not romanticize or vilify any era, including our own. They all have their benefits as well as their drawbacks, and they dealt with the same sin issues we deal with today. There may have been chivalry beforecenturies ago, but women were possessions. In the 50's there may have been family values, but they were only on the surface. We may have the right to vote now, but women are abused by their husbands.

Too bad we can't take the good from each era and leave the bad behind. One day... [sm=halo.gif]



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 7:22:04 PM)

True, today's world definitely has it's share of problems. We do have a long ways to go. But men have always beaten their wives, but at least today there is the hope of achieving justice if the wife speaks up. Men have always raped women, but 60 years it was the woman's shame to bear, and the man usually went free.

My point? Women and minorities pretty much have it the best we've ever had it. We may moan about being pressured to SAH or work or have children or not have to many children.... but at the end, we have choices now and we're responsible for our own fate, now more then ever before.

I'll gladly open my own doors if it means I can attend a university and get a degree in engineering. Then after years of employment I can stay home with my baby. That is freedom; that is choice.



artemis -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 8:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways

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ORIGINAL: artemis
The only thing I would like to go back to would be a time when women were expected to stay home, especially once they had kids. I don't like being financially responsible for my husband and myself and I would be thrilled for him to work full time so I could stay home [8D]


That would be fine, but you'd give up a lot depending on how far back you went. You might still retain the right to vote, but in many ways you'd still be a second class citizen, even if it were only 50 years ago.

But I understand your desire to stay home; I really do. I think women often had to come up with extra income back then, too, like taking in the laundry of rich women or something like that. They just didn't have the option of getting a professional level position with good pay and benefits.


I didn't say that I would like to go back to those times so that I could live when women were expected to stay home. I said that women being more free to stay home was one thing that I liked about those times. There's a difference [;)]



stellaluna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 8:22:16 PM)

These are the things I would not give up, thereby obliterating any chance I might be given of going back in time:

* tampons
* stick on heating pads
* microwave
* computer
* heart rate monitor
* shaved ice
* pants



29redballoons -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 8:35:45 PM)

I will go against the grain and say loudly, I would love to go back to a simpler time. When exactly is that? I am not sure. What would I have to give up? Lots I am sure, but to be able to allow your children to walk to school and not worry about violence...to be able to see all or most town people in church on Sunday...I guess maybe I really want to go live with the Ingall's family on the prairie... go figure!



clag4christ -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 10:49:17 PM)

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I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.


I've never once heard this, ever. Not sure who you're talking to that you've heard this bandied about...

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If you could, would you want to go back in time to live in a different era? Why? Would you be willing to give up basic rights to live in a different time?


I would love to live in the Colonial times...God and family were much more the center of people's lives as opposed to jobs, money, technology, blah, blah, blah...

It would be nice to be raising a family amongst people who believed and ran their families in a similar fashion. That way I'd not feel ostracized or shunned (or fearful) for the decisions we make in our family...


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For a woman or a non-white male... just what was so good about the "Good Old Days"?


Non-white males are much more prone in today's society to be looked down upon, scorned, and mocked (in tv ads, ect.) because of attitudes and beliefs that they get everything handed to them and don't have to work hard, because they're white. That's racist and offensive to me. My husband happens to be white but he's never been handed a single thing in his entire life. God has provided for him and has given him opportunitites that he's had to work incredibly hard to be successful with...life's not been a cake walk for my sweet Joel...actually I don't know many whom life has been just a breeze for...



stellaluna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 11:10:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.

I've never once heard this, ever. Not sure who you're talking to that you've heard this bandied about...

I read that in a thread right in this folder with my own two eyes. It's been awhile back, but it was within the last couple of years.



clag4christ -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 11:12:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.

I've never once heard this, ever. Not sure who you're talking to that you've heard this bandied about...

I read that in a thread right in this folder with my own two eyes. It's been awhile back, but it was within the last couple of years.


I've never seen this...what was that thread about? I've personally never seen this in person or online...



stellaluna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 11:14:07 PM)

I believe it was in one of the feminism threads that floated about. I tried to do a search, but I think it happened too long ago for it to come up. It must have been an older thread than I thought.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/3/2008 11:19:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.

I've never once heard this, ever. Not sure who you're talking to that you've heard this bandied about...

I read that in a thread right in this folder with my own two eyes. It's been awhile back, but it was within the last couple of years.


Yup, I have read it too. Just read the "women's role in the home" thread[8|]



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 7:57:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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I've heard (in the past) a women here at CW say that she would gladly give up the right to vote, if only to be treated like a lady again. I've heard several men here say that a woman has no need to vote, since all adult women are under the authority of either their father or husband, and no woman should vote against the wishes of her male authority.

I've never once heard this, ever. Not sure who you're talking to that you've heard this bandied about...

I read that in a thread right in this folder with my own two eyes. It's been awhile back, but it was within the last couple of years.


Yup, I have read it too. Just read the "women's role in the home" thread[8|]


Thanks for the support, Ryanne and Stella. Yes, the woman who would give up the right to vote was a little while ago, but I honestly don't remember the specific name, nor would I care to call her out.

Male attitude towards women voting I've seen several times in different areas.

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Non-white males are much more prone in today's society to be looked down upon, scorned, and mocked (in tv ads, ect.) because of attitudes and beliefs that they get everything handed to them and don't have to work hard, because they're white.


Some minorities may feel that way, but I think you're over exaggerating the situation. Besides, that's still a lot better then being lynched for saying hello to a white girl, or black females having little other career choice then being a domestic servant.

Nobody's saying today's world is perfect - it's just much better for women and minorities. Women in the colonial era had no say, no choice.

You have the choice to be quiverfull, to stay at home, those women had that forced upon them.



Georgia-Peach -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 8:28:53 AM)

If I could have the life I have now, as far as my husband/child/family go, I would definitely love to live in a different time...20 years ago even. I know there has always been war and crime in every era, but it seems like past eras had simplier times. Kids played outside not video games all day, families ate dinner together every night, pace of life was much slower, God was more centered in the culture, churches use to fellowship with dinner on the grounds, marriages were stronger, streets were safer, etc. I feel like in today's world everyone is so busy even churches, no one takes the time to fellowship, parents are scared to let their children play alone outside, etc. I wish more than anything my son could experience the childhood I had even 20 years ago life was simplier. But, regardless of the ways of the world that my son has to grow up I am going to do my best to make sure he has a simplier, happy childhood and can one day look back with happiness like I do on mine.



HisCovenant -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 9:35:01 AM)

Several posters have mentioned a "simpler time" in this thread and I'm not really understanding that sentiment. Can someone explain? We live in the most convenient time ever and our lives are simplified by technology, convenience foods, and modes of transportation. We have more free time and much less work to meet our needs. I'd say we live in the easier time now. I can understand wanting to live in a more sinless world, but no matter what time in history you go back to, there were horrific things done that undermined the security of people. What am I missing?



stellaluna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 9:38:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways
Male attitude towards women voting I've seen several times in different areas.

Yep, seen that, too. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: Georgia-Peach
Kids played outside not video games all day, families ate dinner together every night, pace of life was much slower, God was more centered in the culture, churches use to fellowship with dinner on the grounds, marriages were stronger, streets were safer, etc.

This is one of those things that I put in the "it starts with you" category. I don't think the things you listed are a given. I think they are things that you can change in your own family. (I'm using the word you broadly, not saying you. [:)])

I know many families who sit down together for dinner every night with their kids. My husband and I make a point to do that as well. And it's up to parents to limit video games and encourage their kids to do something else. And as for playing outside, this reminds me of the subway thread that was up in parenting. I think "safe" often has more to do with the perception of parents than the reality of the situation. A good example is my own neighborhood. It's crawling with kids. They're everywhere--every age--all over the place. A friend in the neighborhood has always refused to let her little boy go play outside without her watching because "it's too dangerous for kids these days." She would rather keep him inside playing video games because she can watch him more easily there. He used to ask all the time to go outside, but now that he's older, he's actually afraid for himself, even though he can see a dozen kids happily playing. She has taught him to be afraid and she's prevented him from learning some very important skills.

I think the past seemed simpler, but really wasn't. I think there was less media coverage back then and less parental fixation on the bad.



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