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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/12/2008 12:55:41 PM
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Heavendweller
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Oh boy. I would not want to be in your shoes.
More likely not in their shoes...
Yep, in their shoes as well.
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/12/2008 5:02:08 PM
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Yes and don't bother you what the bible says. Today I asked my pastor and NO I did not use this verse out of context. You came here with pure speculation and busied yourself with a scenario that doesn't even belong to you.
You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock.
So you're not your brother's keeper and as well I hope for your sake your pastor is never the one acting in sin because it would seem you'd be stuck having to remain in silence and accept whatever happenes...
You certainly do not know me. I however do not speculate! If I know the truth and it must be just that truth, I will most certainly bring it up and have. I also always go to the source. Like today a person came up and said, Well this person said, You said. So I went directly to that person and confronted them. Life is too short to for me to be bothered. I have better things to do with my time
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I am soooo glad it is not me that went to your church I would have saved you the flavor and left leaving you with your speculation.You should check the plank in your own eye. Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place.
Actully it's everyone's place... Paul judged and corrected Peter for his sin of pride regarding eating with Gentiles...
Oh yes let us not forget the Rolling stone Peter who always gets rebuked. As the Lord rebuked him several times including in Acts 11 when the Lord gave him a vision and Peter made a statment of calling the food common and unclean. The Lord corrected him and stated Do Not call anything I put before you Common or Unclean. In which he was to referencing man.
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And if you want to read I Thes. 4:10 why don't you start at IThes. 4:9 concerning what's that? Brotherly Love?! Yeah right I get it it doesn't apply.
The last thing brotherly love is looking the other way in regards to sin... The most hateful thing a Christian can do is turn their back on sinful brother or sister...
I never said to turn ones back,yet as the o/p post states they did not know, which again shows it is speculation. So I visit you church and you are going to speculate my circumstance, why? Because my last name is not the same as my husband's?
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Jessu came to save the sinner, not the so called righteous
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Yes in the context that mankind falls short of the glory of God and has sinned... Nothing to suggest that the body of Christ is to harbor people who refuse to repent of their ways... God clearly says to remove those who refuse to repent...
John
I again never mentioned anything about harboring unrepented sinners. I simply stated, by mentioning brotherly love that a member should display this until they can correlate the truth instead of I think or I believe!
CRH
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/12/2008 5:09:51 PM
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Anyway, don't bother me with silly "facts" about what the Bible says right now. I'm busy looking in my Bible for four or so words I can take out of context and twist into what I want them to say! Maybe something in 1 Thessalonians 4.
Oh, good, I found it...verse 10..."we urge you...increase more and more..." So I gotta to to the buffet for lunch today! 
Yes and don't bother you what the bible says. Today I asked my pastor and NO I did not use this verse out of context. You came here with pure speculation and busied yourself with a scenario that doesn't even belong to you.
You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock. I am soooo glad it is not me that went to your church I would have saved you the flavor and left leaving you with your speculation.
You should check the plank in your own eye. Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place.
And if you want to read I Thes. 4:10 why don't you start at IThes. 4:9 concerning what's that? Brotherly Love?! Yeah right I get it it doesn't apply.
Jessu came to save the sinner, not the so called righteous
CRH
Calm down, Sweetie! You're absolutely right...it's not my place. If you read all my posts, from the beginning, you'd (hopefully) see that my concern is really whether or not my pastor/elders will be bold enough in the Lord to make the correct decision for our church. If I haven't communicated that properly, it's my fault.
If the pastor/elders allow this couple to join, I will definitely MYOB  ...as will my husband and kids. We will probably have a meeting with them to let them know why we are leaving the church and that will be it.
That's all IF...but we're hoping they're bold and courageous and take a stand for the truth and the if doesn't come to fruition. Hopefully, we'll find out soon.
Darlene~
Believe it or not I did read the whole post, however lately I have to read real quick. I have a 2 y/o, so I could have missed something, so with that I as well apologize.
I am hopeful that your pastor makes the right decision. But who knows. I have a friend whose husband (an elder of their church)cheated on her and got caught in the act doing the deed on the altar at church. (I just couldn't fathom.) Well the church kept the husband and shunned the wife.
So today he is still an elder at this church.
CRH
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/12/2008 9:58:23 PM
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You certainly do not know me. I however do not speculate! If I know the truth and it must be just that truth, I will most certainly bring it up and have. I also always go to the source. Like today a person came up and said, Well this person said, You said. So I went directly to that person and confronted them. Life is too short to for me to be bothered. I have better things to do with my time
What happened to: 'You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock"
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. Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place.
Yet if you know the truth you will act... How come it's your place and not others?
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I never said to turn ones back,yet as the o/p post states they did not know, which again shows it is speculation.
Actually you said a few things... You said leave it up to the Pastor and MYOB and you also said if you know the truth you'd act, yet you also said, " Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place"
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So I visit you church and you are going to speculate my circumstance, why? Because my last name is not the same as my husband's?
If I know the truth in regards to your action I hope you would accept that I would act and you wouldn't be upset...
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I again never mentioned anything about harboring unrepented sinners. I simply stated, by mentioning brotherly love that a member should display this until they can correlate the truth instead of I think or I believe!
Discerning something is always going in include a fair amount of speculation since judgment is a process... Certain situations take time to draw a conclusion... So long as the thoughts are not spread as gossip there isn't anything wrong.
John
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/13/2008 1:00:26 AM
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You certainly do not know me. I however do not speculate! If I know the truth and it must be just that truth, I will most certainly bring it up and have. I also always go to the source. Like today a person came up and said, Well this person said, You said. So I went directly to that person and confronted them. Life is too short to for me to be bothered. I have better things to do with my time
What happened to: 'You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock"
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. Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place.
Yet if you know the truth you will act... How come it's your place and not others?
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I never said to turn ones back,yet as the o/p post states they did not know, which again shows it is speculation.
Actually you said a few things... You said leave it up to the Pastor and MYOB and you also said if you know the truth you'd act, yet you also said, " Iregardless of what the truth is, it is not your place"
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So I visit you church and you are going to speculate my circumstance, why? Because my last name is not the same as my husband's?
If I know the truth in regards to your action I hope you would accept that I would act and you wouldn't be upset...
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I again never mentioned anything about harboring unrepented sinners. I simply stated, by mentioning brotherly love that a member should display this until they can correlate the truth instead of I think or I believe!
Discerning something is always going in include a fair amount of speculation since judgment is a process... Certain situations take time to draw a conclusion... So long as the thoughts are not spread as gossip there isn't anything wrong.
John
You post is in error. No once did I post that the situation that occurred happened at church. I wrote Like today, did I say church? No I did not, but you just ASsumed and speculated that I was referring to church.
And from there on you took sentences from different posts and out of context to drive home your agenda.
And you based it on your own speculation
CRH
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/13/2008 1:21:56 AM
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You post is in error. No once did I post that the situation that occurred happened at church.
I wrote Like today, did I say church? No I did not, but you just ASsumed and speculated that I was referring to church.
Doesn't matter... You have a double standard... You can address problems and others should MYOB...
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And from there on you took sentences from different posts and out of context to drive home your agenda.
It seems the context is subject to change..
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And you based it on your own speculation
I based it on what you posted...
John
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/13/2008 10:25:54 AM
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What happened to: 'You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock"
I agree with staying out of it, and let the leadership handle it.
But if the Church allows folks who are living in sin to become members, I would have to leave.
Thanks
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/13/2008 10:30:41 AM
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What happened to: 'You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock"
I agree with staying out of it, and let the leadership handle it.
But if the Church allows folks who are living in sin to become members, I would have to leave.
Thanks
RC
I agree on voting with your feet.
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RE: Advice on unmarried couple... - 6/13/2008 11:22:24 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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What happened to: 'You should MYOB since you are not the pastor in charge of the flock"
I agree with staying out of it, and let the leadership handle it.
But if the Church allows folks who are living in sin to become members, I would have to leave.
Thanks
RC
The problem with people staying out of it is that when there is an issue with leadership the concept of "staying out of it" tends to continue on...
John
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