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teachered -> Acupuncture (6/2/2008 7:47:05 PM)

I would like to get some feedback from anyone who has had acupuncture. I just had my first treatment this past Thursday and then another today. I am being treated for back/neck pain, fibromyalgia, acid reflux, bloating, IBS, insomnia, food allergies, and asthma.

After much research of Chinese Medicine it make so much sense. Please also pray that I will have the discpline to start eating properly (vegetables). I am not a big vegetable eater. I love chocolate and bread & I know this is not good for my body.



monamie -> RE: Acupuncture (6/3/2008 8:13:15 AM)

I have had acupuncture several times, working on a specific muscle spasm. It has greatly helped. The doctor I work for does acupuncture.

Your diet does play a major role in your overall health. ABSOLUTELY EAT MORE VEGETABLES!!! And lean meats. Cut out anything refined--especially flour and sugar (you already mentioned the bread)--but also read every single label watching for things like high fructose corn syrup. Once I completely cut sugar, I never had heartburn/reflux again.

Once you begin to feel fabulous, you'll stay motivated to continue eating this way.

And, by the way, you can have really dark chocolate in moderation, and if you get raw organic cacao (just chopped cocoa beans) it's actually really good for you.



March7 -> RE: Acupuncture (6/3/2008 10:51:23 AM)

I have not had acupuncture, but my regular doctor is a licensed Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine, who sends patients to acupuncturists at times. He also does other alternative treatments in addition to homeopathic and other herbal remedies. I just wanted to comment on your move toward eating more healthfully. Good for you! Monamie is right: remove all refined grains and added sugars from your diet. I also watch for and don't eat too much salt as well as no preservatives, no artificial flavors or colors, and no artificial sweeteners. I do this for fibromyalgia and other chronic illnesses. Monamie is totally right when she says you'll begin to feel so much better (but be patient and put your hand in God's as the process for some of us might be a little slow). God bless you!



Wild-Rose -> RE: Acupuncture (6/3/2008 11:27:15 AM)

What is it about veggies that you don't like? I'm just taking a guess - most Americans overcook veggies. Green beans are not even green by the time we get done with them. We boil them to death. My suggestion is that you learn to stir fry. Green beans, carrots and other veggies are better when they are still crisp. Think about Chinese food, how the veggies are still crisp. So much better!



JesKlu -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 12:38:51 PM)

I will say one thing about acupuncture. It has it's origins in Eastern religions, especially Taoist dualism.

Q. Given the Eastern origins of acupuncture, does it have occult connections, or is it something a Christian can freely use without harm?

A. In his 1994 book THE NEW AGE IS LYING TO YOU, Pastor Eldon Winker, Executive Director of the former Commission on Organizations, has a section on acupuncture in his chapter on New Age Health Care. In that section he notes that "of New Age therapies, acupuncture has the most visible connnection to the practice of energy manipulation associated with the Taoistic philosophy of ancient Chinese medicine" (167). Pastor Winker indicates that although "there is evidence that acupuncture does act as an analgesic in reducing the sensation of pain," "the best advice is to avoid involvement with any practice that might lead to occultic influence" (168). If you are interested in reading this section, you may want to obtain a copy of Pastor Winker's book through Concordia Publishing House (1-800-325-3040; Order # 12-3217).

Christians who are considering acupuncture treatment should note that even the Western physicians who do accept a limited use of acupuncture as a pain killer or anesthetic almost always see it as a temporary treatment for symptoms and not a cure. At the very least, Christians should avoid practitionaers who claim to manipulate invisible energy, or base their practice on Taoist dualism or other Chinese metaphysical assumptions. These speculations are the foundation for traditional acupuncture theory and are incompatible with both known science and the Christian vew of the human body and the universe."
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=3972


If I were you, I wouldn't even do acupuncture as a treatment. If you do herbal remedies, that's great because it's natural; but stay away from chinese medicine, of which acupuncture is one of the forms. You don't have to do Chinese medicine in order to do naturopathy.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



Kat_D -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 1:37:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JesKlu

I will say one thing about acupuncture. It has it's origins in Eastern religions, especially Taoist dualism.

Q. Given the Eastern origins of acupuncture, does it have occult connections, or is it something a Christian can freely use without harm?

A. In his 1994 book THE NEW AGE IS LYING TO YOU, Pastor Eldon Winker, Executive Director of the former Commission on Organizations, has a section on acupuncture in his chapter on New Age Health Care. In that section he notes that "of New Age therapies, acupuncture has the most visible connnection to the practice of energy manipulation associated with the Taoistic philosophy of ancient Chinese medicine" (167). Pastor Winker indicates that although "there is evidence that acupuncture does act as an analgesic in reducing the sensation of pain," "the best advice is to avoid involvement with any practice that might lead to occultic influence" (168). If you are interested in reading this section, you may want to obtain a copy of Pastor Winker's book through Concordia Publishing House (1-800-325-3040; Order # 12-3217).

Christians who are considering acupuncture treatment should note that even the Western physicians who do accept a limited use of acupuncture as a pain killer or anesthetic almost always see it as a temporary treatment for symptoms and not a cure. At the very least, Christians should avoid practitionaers who claim to manipulate invisible energy, or base their practice on Taoist dualism or other Chinese metaphysical assumptions. These speculations are the foundation for traditional acupuncture theory and are incompatible with both known science and the Christian vew of the human body and the universe."
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=3972


If I were you, I wouldn't even do acupuncture as a treatment. If you do herbal remedies, that's great because it's natural; but stay away from chinese medicine, of which acupuncture is one of the forms. You don't have to do Chinese medicine in order to do naturopathy.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica


So, in your opinion, is it less sinful or objectionable for a Christian to use Western Medicine that often uses narcotics to treat pain? A treatment that results in thousands upon thousands of drug addicted patients? I believe Galatians 5 speaks of the dangers of indulging in "Sorcery" or "Pharmakeia," doesn't it? That to me, is just as, if not more dangerous treatment than Acupuncture for the Christian patient.



JesKlu -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 2:36:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
So, in your opinion, is it less sinful or objectionable for a Christian to use Western Medicine that often uses narcotics to treat pain? A treatment that results in thousands upon thousands of drug addicted patients? I believe Galatians 5 speaks of the dangers of indulging in "Sorcery" or "Pharmakeia," doesn't it? That to me, is just as, if not more dangerous treatment than Acupuncture for the Christian patient.


Hello Kat

I said in my post that you should use herbs. I am all for herbal treatment. But, when it comes to acupuncture, because of Taoist dualism, I would stay away from it. And the pratice of energy manipulation is not in sync with Christianity, the two do not have anything in common. Doesn't the Apostle Paul say that we are not to be in communion with pagans? Doesn't the Apostle Paul say what does light have in common with darkness? Acupuncture is of the darkness, so I would stay away.

But, I would go to a naturopath and ask about what certain herbal remedies can do for you, and if you are eating poorly, change your diet. But stay away from acupuncture.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



teachered -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 9:41:54 PM)

So JesKlu, do you think that it is wrong for a Chrisitan to have his or her nose pierced since it is primarily a Hindu practice?

I guess yoga is out of the question for Christians then?



Kat_D -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 9:54:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: teachered

So JesKlu, do you think that it is wrong for a Chrisitan to have his or her nose pierced since it is primarily a Hindu practice?

I guess yoga is out of the question for Christians then?


Teachered, I've had acupuncture in the past. I did it strictly for health reasons and there was no thought about it stemming from Eastern religious practices; nor did I in any way shape or form participate in Eastern religious practices when I received it. The doctor who administered it did not come at it from that perspective either. God looks at your motivation and the attitude of your heart regarding this and everything else and that's what matters imho. I know Christian martial artists who train and teach martial arts and come at it from a Christin perspective...I don't consider that wrong either.



teachered -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 10:17:36 PM)

Kat,

I appreciate your email! I was being a bit sarcastic with my previous post to JesKlu.
I do not think that there is anything wrong with acupuncture itself. I used to think that all acupuncture, homeopathic stuff was all new age. But after much research it makes so much since for us to use natural remedies and healing. I am not saying that we should not ever go to a doctor. I have just become so frustrated with them and tired of them giving me pain medication. I like what you said about the pain pills. It's a good thing that I am not an addict. I do not want to take pain killers. My acupuncturist believes in God and does not practice the Eastern Religion.

I also used to think that yoga was demonic, but the exercises themslef are not. It is the meditation part of the yoga that can be demonic. The YMCA has a yoga class that I attended and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. As far as the meditation part I reflect on God's word and use that as a time to hear him speak to me.

Shalom!



Kat_D -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 10:30:05 PM)

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Kat,

I appreciate your email!


Teachered, I didn't e-mail you...but maybe you are referring to my post here. Anyhooo, I do hope you find treatment that will help you be free of your pain.

Blessings!



JesKlu -> RE: Acupuncture (6/4/2008 11:09:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kat_D

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ORIGINAL: teachered

So JesKlu, do you think that it is wrong for a Chrisitan to have his or her nose pierced since it is primarily a Hindu practice?

I guess yoga is out of the question for Christians then?


Teachered, I've had acupuncture in the past. I did it strictly for health reasons and there was no thought about it stemming from Eastern religious practices; nor did I in any way shape or form participate in Eastern religious practices when I received it. The doctor who administered it did not come at it from that perspective either. God looks at your motivation and the attitude of your heart regarding this and everything else and that's what matters imho. I know Christian martial artists who train and teach martial arts and come at it from a Christin perspective...I don't consider that wrong either.


In the LCMS source I gave, I gave that because acupuncture is primarily interlinked with Taoism philosophy. Now, if you get a doctor who doesn't believe in that stuff and he/she will not practice that with you, then go right ahead. But I was just warning about the vast majority of cases.

About herbal remedies, I am all for them. I believe in getting organic food and all the natural medicine. I just pointed out a practice (acupuncture) that can be dangerous.

And about yoga, I personally do not believe in that because of the meditation aspect of it. That is the part that I am fully against. But if they were just doing the excercises, and no meditation, I would go right ahead. But sadly, in most cases, that will not happen. But if there is a Christian yoga instructor, I would not be against it.

About Martial Arts, same thing, Eastern Philosohy in the vast majority of cases [:o]. But Kat, you seemed to get a Christian instructor, coming from a Christian perspective, which is great!

Acupuncture, Martial Arts, and yoga all stem from paganism, but if you are one of those that get a doctor or instructor that doesn't do those practices, again, at that point, I would not be against it. For myself, the only natural therapies I would do personally is the herbal remedies and homeopathy, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Eastern Philosophy.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



teachered -> RE: Acupuncture (6/5/2008 10:15:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kat_D

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Kat,

I appreciate your email!


Teachered, I didn't e-mail you...but maybe you are referring to my post here.


Kat,

I guess I did put email. Oops... I did mean thanks for your post [:)]
Be blessed!



monamie -> RE: Acupuncture (6/6/2008 7:12:52 AM)

teachered, is the acupuncture working for you? Are you seeing results? How often is it recommended that you be treated?


I joked with my boss yesterday (a wonderful Christian man) that I had to keep my distance because of his eastern mysticism philosophies. [:D] After explaining why, he told me he had one patient that would have acupuncture treatment as long as he called it something else. She was aware that it was still acupuncture, but wouldn't have it unless it was called trigger point therapy.



teachered -> RE: Acupuncture (6/6/2008 5:25:10 PM)

monamie,

After only 2 treatments I noticed a difference. I haven't felt this good in a long time. I also ate potatoes, which I am allergic to, and noticed that my body did not react like it normally does. Normally within a few hours and for a couple of days after eating them I would great terrible cramps in my shoulders and legs. That never happened.

I have 2 more treatments one next week and then the week after & then she will re-evaluate me. From there it will probably on be once every 3-4 weeks. It's a bit pricey, but to me it is worth paying the money.

That's crazy about your boss! Some people get so technical. I wonder if they ever ate in a Chinese rest.? There is always a big Buddah in them, doesn't that stem from the Eastern religion????

Thanks for your post [;)]



Kat_D -> RE: Acupuncture (6/6/2008 8:31:03 PM)

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That's crazy about your boss! Some people get so technical. I wonder if they ever ate in a Chinese rest.? There is always a big Buddah in them, doesn't that stem from the Eastern religion????


Or gotten their nails done at an Asian run salon...they have little altars with offerings set up in some that I've been to.[8|]



Brandy -> RE: Acupuncture (6/6/2008 11:33:24 PM)

I love acupuncture. It's great for migraines and other pain issues.

I've never had a problem with finding a practitioner that didn't involve the Eastern philosophies. I had a chiropractor that did acupuncture, that was an awesome visit. Needles and an adjustment, fun and happy me afterwards.



monamie -> RE: Acupuncture (6/8/2008 8:41:25 AM)

Our acupuncture treatments are $40. For me, not a bad investment in your good health. I'm glad you're seeing results. If you can make the dietary changes along with the acupuncture (and as Brandy mentioned, chiropractic adjustments) you'll be absolutely amazed at the difference in your health.

Yesterday kicked off our city wide health challenge and we were at the Farmers' Market doing body composition analysis. In speaking with people, it's pretty sad at what people consider healthy eating and lifestyle.



his_chosen -> RE: Acupuncture (6/9/2008 10:25:52 PM)

I've had acupuncture. First was for a stubborn calf strain. We had tried rest, stretching, PT, and massage. Nothing worked. One acupuncture session and I had relief. After 3 or 4, it was totally healed and I haven't had another problem with it at all. Second was for plantar facitis (arch of foot). I had several treatments, but never really had improvemtn. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I also do yoga. The DVD I use (Flexable Warrior) focuses on stretching for athletes. Some moves do use the eastern name (Sun salutation), but other than that, it's all just stretching. I did a class that used meditation. That was my time to get quiet and listen for God.



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