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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:40:39 PM
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jfwink
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"Hard working white people?" Didn't Hillary use that string of words in a speech in Pennsylvania?
I think McCain took endorsements from Hagee and Parsley to win over more Christian support, but at this point, I'd guess he wishes he'd left it alone, and thinks its time to be done with TV preacher endorsements.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 2:40:39 PM
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I don't recall ever hearing or seeing Hagee. I'm not real keen on Parsley, though I haven't heard him a lot. But adding to Adrian Rogers and Erwin Lutzer, as mentioned by Earthless, I have the greatest regard for Dr. D. James Kennedy (now with the Lord, as is Adrian Rogers), Dr. John MacArthur, Dr. David Jeremiah, and several others. They are the kind of people I would like to have endorse me.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 3:22:55 PM
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Name one.
I will name two for good measure.
Dr. Adrian Rogers or Dr. Erwin Lutzer.
They are not televangelists. They are pastors and authors. A televangelist is an evangelist that uses television as the primary means of communication with their "flocks". Benny Hinn, John Hagee, Copeland, et al are whom I refer to.
Um, Benny Hinn was a pastor of his own church in Orlando for some time. Hagee is pastor of a large church in San Antonio, etc...
So the two examples remain.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 3:25:31 PM
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Name one.
I will name two for good measure.
Dr. Adrian Rogers or Dr. Erwin Lutzer.
They are not televangelists. They are pastors and authors. A televangelist is an evangelist that uses television as the primary means of communication with their "flocks". Benny Hinn, John Hagee, Copeland, et al are whom I refer to.
Um, Benny Hinn was a pastor of his own church in Orlando for some time. Hagee is pastor of a large church in San Antonio, etc...
So the two examples remain.
Of course they have their own churches. It takes lots of effort to launder all that money. And it isn't worth the debate unless you want to start a separate thread.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 3:44:11 PM
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Me thinks the error liberals are making in their zeal to find something (anything) to offset the Wright fiasco is that McCain never sought Hagee's endoursment, never attended hagee's Church (not even once), and did not know of his few weird statements.
On the other hand; Obama was a member of Wright's Church for over 20 years, Obama called Wright his spiritual advisor, etc. etc. etc.
Its like trying to compare apples and oranges, but why should that matter in the liberal demokrats zeal to hide Obama's obvious long term connection to Wright.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 3:48:20 PM
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You're absolutely right rc. Hagee and Wright are apples and oranges, but the media needed someone to offset Reverend Wright and Hagee fit the bill.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 3:58:23 PM
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Me thinks the error liberals are making in their zeal to find something (anything) to offset the Wright fiasco is that McCain never sought Hagee's endoursment, never attended hagee's Church (not even once), and did not know of his few weird statements.
On the other hand; Obama was a member of Wright's Church for over 20 years, Obama called Wright his spiritual advisor, etc. etc. etc.
Its like trying to compare apples and oranges, but why should that matter in the liberal demokrats zeal to hide Obama's obvious long term connection to Wright.
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Erroneous statement. McCain DID actively seek both Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley's endorsements. That's been widely reported on by all news parties, even the dubious ones at Fox. He might not have gone to church at either one's church but he did seek out their endorsements and finding out about the controversial things they've said is as easy as doing a google search on their names.
Nice try at a dodge though.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:05:55 PM
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Name one.
Charles Stanley.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:09:31 PM
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Erroneous statement. McCain DID actively seek both Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley's endorsements. That's been widely reported on by all news parties, even the dubious ones at Fox. He might not have gone to church at either one's church but he did seek out their endorsements and finding out about the controversial things they've said is as easy as doing a google search on their names.
Do you have a reference or a link; or this just more liberal demokratic hyperbole and nonsense.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:21:05 PM
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Erroneous statement. McCain DID actively seek both Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley's endorsements. That's been widely reported on by all news parties, even the dubious ones at Fox. He might not have gone to church at either one's church but he did seek out their endorsements and finding out about the controversial things they've said is as easy as doing a google search on their names.
Do you have a reference or a link; or this just more liberal demokratic hyperbole and nonsense.
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003728364
From Hagee's own lips no less. McCain sought out Hagee's endorsement, just as Fox "News" and every other news outlet reported.
Thank you for playing but you fail.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:31:11 PM
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003728364
From Hagee's own lips no less. McCain sought out Hagee's endorsement, just as Fox "News" and every other news outlet reported.
Thank you for playing but you fail.
Sosrry but using that discredited egg sucking liberal Grant aqd a phantom upcoming article in the can't be believed NYT does not buy any credit.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:37:47 PM
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003728364
From Hagee's own lips no less. McCain sought out Hagee's endorsement, just as Fox "News" and every other news outlet reported.
Thank you for playing but you fail.
Sosrry but using that discredited egg sucking liberal Grant aqd a phantom upcoming article in the can't be believed NYT does not buy any credit.
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So Hagee himself lied then about the endorsement. Good to know. Nice to know that there's no credible sources for you as well. It'll save me loads of headaches since you'll, oh what's the word, be dismissive of anything that's said that's in contrast to your world view. Thanks for that.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:42:52 PM
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So Hagee himself lied then about the endorsement. Good to know. Nice to know that there's no credible sources for you as well. It'll save me loads of headaches since you'll, oh what's the word, be dismissive of anything that's said that's in contrast to your world view. Thanks for that.
I do not know what Hagee said and you do not either, basing your proof on Grant.
We will just have to wait and see this weekend, and then I will repost.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 4:47:14 PM
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So Hagee himself lied then about the endorsement. Good to know. Nice to know that there's no credible sources for you as well. It'll save me loads of headaches since you'll, oh what's the word, be dismissive of anything that's said that's in contrast to your world view. Thanks for that.
I do not know what Hagee said and you do not either, basing your proof on Grant.
We will just have to wait and see this weekend, and then I will repost.
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Dude. Even FOX covered this. FOX! the NYT did the interview with Hagee where Hagee himself said that McCain had sought his endorsement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/magazine/23wwln-q4-t.html?ref=magazine
It's the very first question. You can't deny that. If the interview had never happened they'd be open to a libel suit. We'd have heard long ago that this wasn't true. Since Pastor Hagee hasn't denounced the interview or called it false it therefore stands to reason that it happened and he is being accurately quoted.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 5:57:29 PM
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Look, Hagee is not McCain's pastor, so what's the big deal? Neither is Parsley. If they want to throw their support to him, fine. With Obama, Wright WAS his pastor for 20 years--a big difference that is easy to see.
Hagee's got some very unorthodox Christian positions. The bigger problem is that he shouts his heresies from the tallest buildings and doesn't hesitate to slag his opposition. He and Donohue of the Catholic League made nice last week, but it seems eerily like an alliance of temporary convenience than anything else. Dude's message has been and will continue to be poison.
What McCain should do is accept those endorsements but actively court moderate evangelicals as well with the message that he's the 'life boat'. And when the waters rise, the boat rises with it--if he can convince evangelicals to be on the life boat, he can convince them that their fortunes will rise with it.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 8:32:51 PM
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You are SO fortunate to have him as your personal mentor! He's been one of my favorites for a long time.
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I don't recall ever hearing or seeing Hagee. I'm not real keen on Parsley, though I haven't heard him a lot. But adding to Adrian Rogers and Erwin Lutzer, as mentioned by Earthless, I have the greatest regard for Dr. D. James Kennedy (now with the Lord, as is Adrian Rogers), Dr. John MacArthur, Dr. David Jeremiah, and several others. They are the kind of people I would like to have endorse me.
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earthless approves the above mentioned... Dr. Adrian Rogers was a personal mentor of mine for some years. God bless him now as he walks with Him. 
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:50:11 PM
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What McCain should do is accept those endorsements but actively court moderate evangelicals as well with the message that he's the 'life boat'. And when the waters rise, the boat rises with it--if he can convince evangelicals to be on the life boat, he can convince them that their fortunes will rise with it.
Only Jesus is the "life boat"
John should also actively seek the Black Churches.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 10:12:05 PM
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John should also actively seek the Black Churches
Whom? Tony Evans? John Perkins?
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 10:13:05 PM
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Me thinks the error liberals are making in their zeal to find something (anything) to offset the Wright fiasco is that McCain never sought Hagee's endoursment, never attended hagee's Church (not even once), and did not know of his few weird statements.
On the other hand; Obama was a member of Wright's Church for over 20 years, Obama called Wright his spiritual advisor, etc. etc. etc.
Its like trying to compare apples and oranges, but why should that matter in the liberal demokrats zeal to hide Obama's obvious long term connection to Wright.
Thanks
RC
Mr. McCain didn't seek it but he accepted it, and I believe so in order to garner some votes and now when it has showed itself not the be doing Mr. McCain any good he dumped him... Gotta love politics...
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/24/2008 1:12:01 AM
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Whom? Tony Evans? John Perkins?
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Only Jesus is the "life boat"
John should also actively seek the Black Churches.
There are literally 1000's of Black Churches, organzations, Baptists, Methodists, etc.
I'm sure he could find he likes.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/24/2008 1:31:43 AM
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I do not know what Hagee said and you do not either, basing your proof on Grant.
We will just have to wait and see this weekend, and then I will repost.
RC James, I 'm listening to Jim Lehner news hour on PBS. John Hagee said it in his own words.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/24/2008 2:44:12 AM
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Me thinks the error liberals are making in their zeal to find something (anything) to offset the Wright fiasco is that McCain never sought Hagee's endoursment, never attended hagee's Church (not even once), and did not know of his few weird statements.
On the other hand; Obama was a member of Wright's Church for over 20 years, Obama called Wright his spiritual advisor, etc. etc. etc.
Its like trying to compare apples and oranges, but why should that matter in the liberal demokrats zeal to hide Obama's obvious long term connection to Wright.
Thanks
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Mr. McCain didn't seek it but he accepted it, and I believe so in order to garner some votes and now when it has showed itself not the be doing Mr. McCain any good he dumped him... Gotta love politics...
John
Please refer to the link to the NY Times interview where the very first question adressed this. Hagee himself said that McCain had sought out his endorsement.
Every major news organization, including Fox, have commented on this.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/24/2008 7:44:30 AM
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In view of all the controversy concerning preachers and politics, gives even more reason for the separation of church and state. Religion and politics mixes about as well as oil and water!!
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