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Judah1966 -> Obama and The End Times... (5/17/2008 7:19:41 PM)

What do you think concerning him? Many say he is a Muslim lying saying he is a Christian until he has his seat as leader of The so called free world.Many dont know much about him but want to vote for him because of his decent.Some are saying Rice will be his running mate.He sat under a man full of animosity for America for years but now that he is running for President has distanced himself from him, all of a sudden now he doesnt believe the controversal things his former Rev. believes, hummm sounds fishy to me.Some think he sounds like a Dictator .Some thinks hes the answer to their prayers.He is a millioniare so he is sucessful with funds.He doesnt put his hand over his heart for The National Anthem.He does believe in a womans right to have an abortion.I will not vote for him no matter what decent he is from and I pray that everyone knows the facts before they put the next person in office.



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/17/2008 8:15:16 PM)

We'll know a lot more about it if by miracle he is elected. He actually stands for nothing and has no substance…if the American public falls for his “trust me campaign” then we will know that he has some higher driving force behind him.

That is what the man of sin will be telling us…falsehoods that we will believe. [:(]

Bob



J_Michael80 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/17/2008 9:17:02 PM)

judah1966,

I am a socially conservative Republican who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. I have been a registered Republican all my life but I believe your comments about Barack Obama are malicious and very judgemental.



sooner -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/17/2008 9:22:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Judah1966

What do you think concerning him? Many say he is a Muslim lying saying he is a Christian until he has his seat as leader of The so called free world.Fact? Or Gossip?Many dont know much about him but want to vote for him because of his decent.Some are saying Rice will be his running mate.I've heard NO ONE but you say that. Rice is a Republican, you are aware of that right?He sat under a man full of animosity for America for years but now that he is running for President has distanced himself from him, all of a sudden now he doesnt believe the controversal things his former Rev. believes, hummm sounds fishy to me.Some think he sounds like a Dictator Wh are these "some" you keep referring to?.Some thinks hes the answer to their prayers.He is a millioniare so he is sucessful with funds.Is he? If so it must be recent becuase I don't think he was a milionaire as of a year ago. Source?He doesnt put his hand over his heart for The National Anthem.He does believe in a womans right to have an abortion.I will not vote for him no matter what decent he is from and I pray that everyone knows the facts before they put the next person in office.Yes, facts would be nice.



By the way, I'm not voting for him. I just like honest intellectual debate.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/17/2008 9:29:15 PM)

sooner, faithfulservant, I agree. While I, personally, don't think Obama is a good candidate (of course, I'm not much of a McCain or Clinton fan either... But that's neither here nor there), but I definitely don't think he's the devil-in-waiting so many people are making him out to be.
I'm pretty sure that during every American presidential election that happens, whoever the "other guy" is from your political standpoint, there will always be some Christians who think that candidate has a very strong chance of being the anti-christ. Personally, I think these conjectures are absurd, annoying, and definitely fueled more by political feelings than biblical guidance.



Birdiecat -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 10:03:11 AM)

Let's go back to Obama's criticism of Hillary Clinton saying she would defend Israel in case of attack. As a Christian I agree with Mrs. Clinton. I don't feel like a Christian would criticize her statement. We should defend Israel. Been reading John Hagee's book, The Jerusalem Countdown. In it he has talks about a possible Democrat winning the White House in 2008. Israel is attacked but the Democrat in the White House refuses military aid to Israel. That would leave America open to the wrath of God! It is our duty to defend Israel and her people. Would Barack Obama do that? I don't think he would. I think there are some mean people behind this man! I am afraid he will get the White House. What will happen to us typical white folks?



drj11 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 11:28:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Birdiecat

Let's go back to Obama's criticism of Hillary Clinton saying she would defend Israel in case of attack. As a Christian I agree with Mrs. Clinton. I don't feel like a Christian would criticize her statement. We should defend Israel. Been reading John Hagee's book, The Jerusalem Countdown. In it he has talks about a possible Democrat winning the White House in 2008. Israel is attacked but the Democrat in the White House refuses military aid to Israel. That would leave America open to the wrath of God! It is our duty to defend Israel and her people. Would Barack Obama do that? I don't think he would. I think there are some mean people behind this man! I am afraid he will get the White House. What will happen to us typical white folks?


Honestly, Israel is capable enough to defend themselves. They have one of the most advanced and capable militaries in the world. They will gladly take all the money and support we offer them, as anyone with common sense would, but they don't need it at all anymore. The middle east would probably be a much safer place if we actually let Israel off the leash and let them do what they need to do.



Heavendweller -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 11:32:32 AM)

Judah,
I don't think Obama is the "Anti-Christ," or "False Prophet." Is he a committed, God-honoring Christian? I doubt it. With that said, it is questionable that any of the candidates running for President are committed, God-honoring Christians.

Let each one make up his own mind what he ought to do. I will not put constraints or demands upon peoples' consciences by telling them they must vote for a particular candidate if they consider themselves to be Christian. Seems we have a rather shabby choice of contestants from which to select this time around. However, I don't think any of them are the tool of the Anti-Christ.

Heavendweller



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 3:16:55 PM)

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I am afraid he will get the White House. What will happen to us typical white folks?


You know, I'm a Caucasian male living in the south, and I'm pretty upset that you just said that. In the hopes that I'm misunderstanding you, could you please elaborate more?



shovelhead -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 10:01:45 PM)

I believe any of the three possible candidates could/will wreak a lot of havoc on the U.S.. There is more than the end of this "world" to see and consider. For instance the economic health of this country is not good. The ethics stink and the culture is bouncing off the bottom. There are many things that could bring us down irregardless of the Mid-East. The antichrist is whoever it is. We cannot change it or even know it at this point, but the soundness of our own country can be effected by us. How we vote; and this is on every level, not just President. I believe that practically speaking Jesus is a libertarian in nature and I am going to vote Libertarian this fall. They are for States rights, not neccesarily marijuana, rights; more individual rights and responsibilities.

Back to the Obama issue, I think that there will be pressure put on the issue of whites voting for someone other than him and the news media stirring up a lot of racial strife (riots?).



ken1906_4 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/18/2008 11:36:40 PM)

I think we give these politicians too much credit.
There were those that said Reagan(6 letters in his 1st, middle and last name) was the anti-Christ, then Bush, not sure about Clinton, Bush2 and now Obama. None of them are no more the anti-Christ than you or I. The anti-Christ is brilliant and he knows scripture better than any of us. Obama is a smart guy, but he is definitley not the anti-Christ from the Bible. Neither was Bush2



everythingat -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/19/2008 12:27:19 AM)

I think it's incredibly self-absorbed for Christians to think God would prophesy about Obama being the anti-Christ. That's a sign that American culture has seeped into Christianity, to think that we as a country are that important to have God prophesy about, and to think that we as a country are so pivotal to the events in time to believe that the only thing that will exist after the destruction of the States would be heaven and hell. The world existed before the States were formed, it will more than likely exist after the States. There's no way to know for sure, but to think that the States would be the last stop on God ending the world is ridiculously self-absorbed.



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/19/2008 6:37:13 AM)

There is a lot being said about Barack Obama... knowing politics the way I do, I am more than willing to bet that quite a bit of it is false. My opinion (translation, take it or leave it) is as follows... he is a politician with a flimsy platform that looks attractive because the message is "Can't we all get along?" From what I have seen, the man's politics have no sbstance of an kind... meaning he can appear "bilateral" because he actually has no stance on anything. I'll admit, the whole thing about his pastor being a flagrant racist and the Che Guevara flags in the campaign office make me nervous enough to not vote for him... but the antichrist? Nah... it seems he would rather pacify the middle east by letting them detonate Israel than sign a peace treaty.

Adam



girlofmanycolors -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/22/2008 9:44:21 PM)

I have yet to figure out Barack Obama. I am well aware that alot of what is being said is pure rumor, however if there is a grain of truth in it I find it disturbing. I have a bad feeling about Obama and I certainly don't think we should cease to be Isreal's protector and ally. However, I don't believe he's the anti-christ although he may certainly be one of the many anti-christs spoken about in scripture. I just don't know and noone knows for sure.



tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/22/2008 10:27:17 PM)

I believe he is the fulfillment of Rev. 13

comes speaking great words. etc.

Look at the adoring fans!



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/22/2008 11:04:09 PM)

A lot of people have come speaking great words, and have had adoring fans. If that was all it took to be the anti-Christ... Heck, Billy Graham could've been the anti-Christ.



lightshineon -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/22/2008 11:06:50 PM)

I believe he is the Beast of Revelation.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/22/2008 11:49:01 PM)

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I believe he is the Beast of Revelation.


And it's certainly your choice to believe that! I just have one question - why do you believe he is the Beast?



Robert_G -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 12:10:01 AM)

You Americans kill me sometimes. The U.S.A. is NOT the center of the world.
Chances are the Anti Christ will NOT come out of the U.S.
There is a much better chance he will come out of the Middle East. Even Rome has a better chance of producing the Anti Christ then the U.S.A.....lol.



lightshineon -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 2:12:35 AM)

Well so glad your country is so special? Since your not an American maybe you cannot see the whole snapshot.
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ORIGINAL: Robert_G

You Americans kill me sometimes. The U.S.A. is NOT the center of the world.
Chances are the Anti Christ will NOT come out of the U.S.
There is a much better chance he will come out of the Middle East. Even Rome has a better chance of producing the Anti Christ then the U.S.A.....lol.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 3:08:49 AM)

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Well so glad your country is so special?


Robert_G makes no mention of his country, and therefore makes absolutely no claim of it being special in any way. Rather, he was commenting on the way us Americans are so very prideful in the way we view eschatology. We (and I, of course, use a general we here) assume, with every presidential election, that one of our presidents is going to be the anti-Christ. We assume that America will be a, if not the, key player in end-times fulfillment. And quite frankly, how dare we? Our little country has only been around for 232 years. Now don't get me wrong, I love my country and I think it's great, but we are toddlers in terms of our age as a nation, and I find it very presumptuous of us Christians living here to think God has forgotten about the rest of the world when it comes to how this is all going to wrap up.

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Since your not an American maybe you cannot see the whole snapshot.


1, I'm pretty sure only God sees the whole snapshot. 2, Robert_G is a brother in Christ (I assume? Obviously only God knows for sure, but he has certainly given me no reason to doubt...), and as such, has the same Holy Spirit living in him as you and I. It is the Spirit who allows us to see any of the snapshot, not our nationality.



lightshineon -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 4:36:52 AM)

Well to be so insignifigant people from other countries sure are informed about us. We know nothing or really do not care about their elections. Did I say Mr. Fribbles, someone did not have the Holy Spirit? Please do not make false assumptions and add to my post, saying this with much due respect.



tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 5:53:42 AM)

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A lot of people have come speaking great words, and have had adoring fans. If that was all it took to be the anti-Christ... Heck, Billy Graham could've been the anti-Christ.



Billy never ran for the presidency. To become leader of the "free" world.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 12:35:02 PM)

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We know nothing or really do not care about their elections.


Depends on which news programs you watch. ; ) And really, that's a shame, because we should care about the elections in other countries. Or, for those many, many countries that don't get to hold elections, we should be concerned about their politics. Those in power can easily make decisions that could lead to persecution of our brothers and sisters in other nations, and we should be willing to be made more aware of the world scene, so we can more appropriately pray for their strength, should increased hardship come.

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Did I say Mr. Fribbles, someone did not have the Holy Spirit? Please do not make false assumptions and add to my post, saying this with much due respect.


I'm sorry if that's how my post was taken, it certainly was not my intent. I certainly did not think you were saying someone did not have the Holy Spirit. My point was, you seemed to imply in your post that someone being an American was more important in being able to understand eschatology than being a child of God.



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Billy never ran for the presidency. To become leader of the "free" world.


All right, now show me in Scripture where it says the Beast will become the US President.



tsnody2001 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (5/23/2008 1:46:55 PM)

Personally, I think it is ludicrous for anyone here to publicly declare BO (or anyone else for that matter) the Anti-Christ. If one is going to do that, he/she better have a VERY CLEAR case that is supported with SCRIPTURE!- not "in my opinion" or "I think." God does not give any revelation that way. I understand the temptation to join in on the "fun"- I have my own opinion about BO, whether he is the Anti-Christ or not- but I will not declare it publicly lest I be wrong. God will make it absolutely clearer than crystal when He wants His people to know.



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