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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 10:11:53 AM
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huskarine
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I totally agree with purplepearl...another point I want to include is that Obama can appeal to the masses with his charisma and charm. Watch how the people that support him (at political rallies) nearly worship him. If they could pay homage, they probably would. Maybe they are doing that by giving to his campaign...
Obama is a man of lawlessness in a sense that he keeps flip-flopping on issues such as OIF and oil drilling...he says he is about change in Washington politics, but he is a typical politician lying to everybody. I wouldn't trust him with a q-tip...
Purplepearl, I disagree with Israel liking him...they heckled him when he was at the wailing wall, and he is not really pro-military like McCain. I believe Israel supports McCain. (I could be wrong)...Israel is supposed to be the most defiant towards the new world order during the end times. I think it will be under very special circumstances that they sign treaties of peace with their enemies.
to everybody, you also have to factor the rapture into this. If the rapture is pre-trib, then it won't be impossible for unbelievers to claim it was not God at work, and remember that the Holy Spirit will also depart with the believers as well. Indeed, pandemonium will demand it's anwers but Ephesians proclaims that there are dark spirits in this world at work already. scary when you consider it all.
If you want to know what to do for now, then listen to the song "Here I go again" by Casting Crowns and then tell your circle about Jesus and what He means to you.
Last, Put on the armor of God and get ready.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 10:20:30 AM
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I agree with Carico…Obama does possess a messianic aura causing people to follow him regardless of any other ability.
In my opinion to say he is not the Antichrist is just as unaware as saying he is…he certainly has the potential and only time will tell. If elected he will present a whole new persona and his potential will vastly increase in my eyes.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 1:35:14 PM
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I agree with Carico…Obama does possess a messianic aura causing people to follow him regardless of any other ability.
In my opinion to say he is not the Antichrist is just as unaware as saying he is…he certainly has the potential and only time will tell. If elected he will present a whole new persona and his potential will vastly increase in my eyes.
Bob
I agree. It's fascinating to watch, but scary at the same time. In any case, i predict that the anti-Christ will be just like Obama because someone like Obama can easily deceive the world. 
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 2:00:42 PM
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In any case, i predict that the anti-Christ will be just like Obama
Hi Carico...yes I think he is a very good reflection of what the Antichrist will look like.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 2:42:19 PM
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To me the most fascinating thing of all about Obama is how many CINO's are practically throwing themselves at his his feet (check the current event folder). It's amazing to watch.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 3:36:56 PM
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To me the most fascinating thing of all about Obama is how many CINO's are practically throwing themselves at his his feet (check the current event folder). It's amazing to watch.
Isn't it?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 4:41:09 PM
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What are CINO's?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 5:23:38 PM
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A term I came across somewhere. It was a political discussion, talking about RINO's and DINO's (Republicans and Democrats In Name Only). That's when somebody mentioned CINO's (Christians In Name Only). It was like a light had switched on. You see, for the longest time I'd puzzled over why a supposed Christian would argue with the Word over very plain things like abortion, gay "unions", Earth worship, socialism, and so on. When I saw that term, it suddenly made sense, especially tying in with the scripture where God says, "I never knew you."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 8:34:54 PM
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To me the most fascinating thing of all about Obama is how many CINO's are practically throwing themselves at his his feet (check the current event folder). It's amazing to watch.
Isn't it?
The flaw in your argument (aside from scripture) is that Obama has a slim-to-none lead in the popular polls (and most conservatives whine about the polls being conducted by "liberal media").
But if he's the anti-Christ, God will make sure that he gets into power to fulfill prophesy. That could be by McCain's death, (after all, he's 72) or something that Bush does before the election, or a movie bashing Bush by Oliver Stone that's scheduled to be released in the middle of October just before the election, or many other ways.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 11:23:17 PM
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Actually an astounding win would be more of a convincing factor then anything else. The whole point is…Obama shouldn’t win, he doesn’t have the experience and he is not qualified, but if his magnetism enables him to overcome the odds, to me it would indicate that he has a more powerful force working in his favor.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/10/2008 10:44:11 AM
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Barack isn't the beast ... are we fawning over him? He's not smart enough, charismatic enough or clever enough for the beast. It is amazing to watch people around the world go nuts over him. Somehow the beast is involved with the peace plan being worked on as we speak.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/10/2008 1:29:54 PM
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Barack isn't the beast ... are we fawning over him? He's not smart enough, charismatic enough or clever enough for the beast. It is amazing to watch people around the world go nuts over him. Somehow the beast is involved with the peace plan being worked on as we speak.
WE (Chrisitans) won't be deceived by the beast...so, of course, we're not fawning over him. However, as you noted, the world is in total awe of him (for some unfathomable reason)...and that includes The World (as in non-believers) right here in the U.S.
I don't know if he is or isn't...but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility nor will I categorically state, as fact, one postion or the other. We just don't know and we don't need to know.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/10/2008 4:13:07 PM
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I think most of the concerns in this case are well deserved. But I've never heard anyone say such an absurd thing as Rice being his running mate. Who said that? That's like putting a lion in the hens house! I believe Condolesa Rice is a conservatave and Obama is a socialist correct?
I would expect that when God's plan of saving those he's going to save is complete, and he's about to end the world with his judgement and punishment, that it would also not be too hard to expect that this great country he created, The USA that has stood for a beacon of truth and freedom, would also be judged and brought under his wrath, and what better way then to give it up to the same like-minded liberals that have also brought dishonor into the churches with their absolute distane for the laws of God?
But to equate the concerns of this liberal, Obama with the so-called 'Antichrist' as if the Antichrist was a human being just isn't in this first post. So why do people, from generation to generation not understand that the 'Antichrist' which WAS alive when the Gospels were written is none other than Satan himself who comes as an angel of light ?{(Jesus like) 2 Cor 11:14} He will do this in the Churches as we see in 2 Thes 2:3-4. We are instructed that when this abomination as God called it through Daniel (Dan 11:31) will be polluting the church we are instructed to 'Get out' (Rev 18:4 - Matt 24:15-18 - 2Cor 6:15-18) Even when we see this going on. But the question is: WHO will see it and be those who DO see the DAY of Christs' return? Ask yourself, "Is Christ returning 'as a thief in the night' to me? Or do I now know the absolute day of his return as the Bible tells us we will in 1Thes5:4"? If we think we CAN'T know the day of his return and all's well and we don't need to look for that day in the Bible then maybe we are one of those mentioned earlier in verse 3 that say "I'm safe and at peace with Christ" and don't look for the absolute day of his return as the Bible tells us we should as in 2 Peter 3:12 and then 'sudden destruction comes upon us! Of course people like Obama being so close to power are a warning to us all that we must be close to the antichrist himself gaining power! (Of course only as much as God allows!) Rev 13:13
I believe we are just a few years away from the end (1Thes5:1-5) and should expect to see things get worse because of sin and....well ignorance of course! Pray to God he at least protects you from the fallout of the presidency of such a person!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/11/2008 4:52:44 PM
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I apologize if I have missed something important in the discussion, 7 pages of this thread would seem to indicate that either many people have an opinion or that those opinions are pretty deeply set.
As many others appear to have said...I have no particular love nor loyalty to McCain, my vote this year will be against Obama and that means that it must go to the other candidate who has the best chance of winning.
Here is my take on Obama sans religion:
Here is a man who does not like this country that has made him what he is, with a wife who also does not like this country. His views are at best "liberal" and many of "his" views are far from original being adopted from years of liberal talking points.
He has know associatations with terrorists and racists whose main commonality is a hatred for America. He not one to bring unity as he is divisive among his own political party and among the so called leaders of black America. He has no experience (that I am aware of) that qualifies him for the presidency. His background: raised by a white family, attended an Ivy league school, moved to Chicago where he joined a black church to endear himself to the black community to begin building his political foundation. He is a freshman US senator who has not even surved a full year on the job if you include the time away to campaign for the presidency.
AND, I have never linked any president or presidential candidate in any way to an antichrist.
Like many politicians of today and of the past this is a person who will say and act what he believes is required of him to achieve his goals.
Now from a religious perspective:
No one knows the day or the hour. Speculation about The Antichrist is only speculation, but here we have a very interesting situation. A man, who does not have the requisite qualifications of today's other presidential candidates. Who is viewed as a bringer of hope, a savior for our nation. His rallies have the feel of rock concerts (coincidentally, the two rallies that have been really talked about were held in locations where concerts were to be held shortly after). On at least on occasion supporters fainting at his presence. A man who's only consistant platform is "Change."
I do fear that his policies will bring swift strokes against what remains of America's moral and ethical underpinnings regardless of whether he were the Antichrist. Maybe as some suggest, an antichrist or a shadow of the coming Antichrist.
But, if he were to be the Antichrist, his election to the presidency would likely be inevitable, and his fiscal and foriegn policies would likely bring never before known prosperity to the USA.
I think that would have to happen, because the Presidency of the United States would not be the international post that would be needed of the Antichrist. A US president's rule would not be willingly accepted by the rest of the world.
And for those who posted in the very beginning of this thread that Americans are so arrogant that they would even believe that the Antichrist would be American. I am not one who has ever seen any end times role for the USA. I would agree that it would be more likely the he would come out of the middle east or out of Rome, but that doesn't mean that if he isn't from those parts of the world he cannot be the Antichrist.
Anyone who believes the Antichrist simply cannot come out of North or South America or out of Australia or Asia is simply so impressed with their own intellect that they refuse to believe anything they themselves did not think of first. For all we know the Antichrist could come out of Antarctica...
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/11/2008 5:19:02 PM
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I just have to respond to the post immediately above mine also.
I do understand that The Antichrist was alive at the time of the writing of the gospels and before. That The Antichrist is the same angel who thought to place himself above The GOD who created him and with whom 1/3 of the angels created by GOD were cast out of heaven. The same angel who will during the events described in The Bible indwell the antichrist and seemingly resurect him from the dead.
Which is the point when The Antichrist is revealed for what he truly is and at that time he will demand that all of the inhabitants of The Earth worship him.
Whether the earthly host of The Antichrist were to be Obama or any other man is at the moment mute. The fact remains that Obama IS a wolf in sheeps clothing. He professes Christ but his actions seem to deny Christ. Though we are told not to judge we are told to hold all things up to the light of truth. 1 Jn 4:1.
As for Christ's return: We don't know when, but we are cautioned to be ever watchful. Mat. 24:42.
I don't know what the result would be if we failed to expect the return of Jesus, but that the bride who did not prepare her lamp was left behind...
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/11/2008 11:39:54 PM
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Well not to welcome BO into office but if it happens then the lords plan is on its way and I for one am ready for the lord to take us away from all this. We need to be saving souls as much as possible and if he is somehow the antichrist then we did what we could. If hes not then praise God we still have time to bring the stubborn home!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 7:42:03 AM
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I apologize if I have missed something important in the discussion, 7 pages of this thread would seem to indicate that either many people have an opinion or that those opinions are pretty deeply set.
As many others appear to have said...I have no particular love nor loyalty to McCain, my vote this year will be against Obama and that means that it must go to the other candidate who has the best chance of winning.
Here is my take on Obama sans religion:
Here is a man who does not like this country that has made him what he is, with a wife who also does not like this country. His views are at best "liberal" and many of "his" views are far from original being adopted from years of liberal talking points.
He has know associatations with terrorists and racists whose main commonality is a hatred for America. He not one to bring unity as he is divisive among his own political party and among the so called leaders of black America. He has no experience (that I am aware of) that qualifies him for the presidency. His background: raised by a white family, attended an Ivy league school, moved to Chicago where he joined a black church to endear himself to the black community to begin building his political foundation. He is a freshman US senator who has not even surved a full year on the job if you include the time away to campaign for the presidency.
AND, I have never linked any president or presidential candidate in any way to an antichrist.
Like many politicians of today and of the past this is a person who will say and act what he believes is required of him to achieve his goals.
Now from a religious perspective:
No one knows the day or the hour. Speculation about The Antichrist is only speculation, but here we have a very interesting situation. A man, who does not have the requisite qualifications of today's other presidential candidates. Who is viewed as a bringer of hope, a savior for our nation. His rallies have the feel of rock concerts (coincidentally, the two rallies that have been really talked about were held in locations where concerts were to be held shortly after). On at least on occasion supporters fainting at his presence. A man who's only consistant platform is "Change."
I do fear that his policies will bring swift strokes against what remains of America's moral and ethical underpinnings regardless of whether he were the Antichrist. Maybe as some suggest, an antichrist or a shadow of the coming Antichrist.
But, if he were to be the Antichrist, his election to the presidency would likely be inevitable, and his fiscal and foriegn policies would likely bring never before known prosperity to the USA.
I think that would have to happen, because the Presidency of the United States would not be the international post that would be needed of the Antichrist. A US president's rule would not be willingly accepted by the rest of the world.
And for those who posted in the very beginning of this thread that Americans are so arrogant that they would even believe that the Antichrist would be American. I am not one who has ever seen any end times role for the USA. I would agree that it would be more likely the he would come out of the middle east or out of Rome, but that doesn't mean that if he isn't from those parts of the world he cannot be the Antichrist.
Anyone who believes the Antichrist simply cannot come out of North or South America or out of Australia or Asia is simply so impressed with their own intellect that they refuse to believe anything they themselves did not think of first. For all we know the Antichrist could come out of Antarctica...
totally agree with you about the whole decentralizing role of Antichrist from america, but listen:
the thing that is intriguing about these times today is that individual nations, including our nation, are being decentralized, from common language, to common dollar (EURO and NAFTA), to common religion. Things will become more global. The world's community will become one. Obama went to Europe and the middle east and presented himself (in Germany specifically) as a world citizen.
If Obama were to be elected President, then he would be the leader of the free world, essentially. A bunch of other events would have to take place in order for him to become in charge of the world, metaphorically, I call it "the dice will have to roll 7's for a huge streak". But, globally, our community is becoming one. It is as if we have "the best table for this streak of dice to happen".
One last thought from this post. In Daniel, it is prophesied that the Gospel would hit all the corners of the Earth before the rapture. I think that with all of the missionaries out there, that we are mighty close to that prophesy being fulfilled.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 8:20:16 AM
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One last thought from this post. In Daniel, it is prophesied that the Gospel would hit all the corners of the Earth before the rapture. I think that with all of the missionaries out there, that we are mighty close to that prophesy being fulfilled.
I agree with your assessment. As for the gospel being spread, don't forget about the Internet, too. It's been a huge help in getting a lot of things out into the world!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 9:55:14 AM
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While I suspect…if elected…Obama could play a big role in the end time picture, it is and always has been my strong feeling that Putin fits the role of the Antichrist far better than any other currently on the world stage.
Putin does come from the right cross section of the world, continues to support the radical Muslin faction and certainly has the military might to have strong influence in the world.
Bob
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 10:41:06 AM
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While I suspect…if elected…Obama could play a big role in the end time picture, it is and always has been my strong feeling that Putin fits the role of the Antichrist far better than any other currently on the world stage.
Putin does come from the right cross section of the world, continues to support the radical Muslin faction and certainly has the military might to have strong influence in the world.
Bob
they could both work together and one of them could be the false prophet!?!?!?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 1:26:19 PM
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I do not think he is the anti-christ, but I sure do not think he is FOR Christ either. Just had to share the following because no one person should have to read this and not be able to comment. (alone at home right now)
Maybe Georgie should be VP............ 
George Clooney once famously declared he could never run for public office because he’d ‘slept with too many women, done too many drugs and been to too many parties’.
But now the Hollywood heart-throb has entered the political arena at
the highest level – by becoming an unofficial adviser to US Presidential front-runner Barack Obama.
link to rest of article:
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/12/2008 1:54:32 PM
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Yeah, I love that the George Clooney story is out and the Obama camp can't deny it fast enough.
Also, no Putin and Obama couldn't tag team beast/false prophet. One of them would have to put themself below the other. You have Ego vs/Ego neither one would be likely to back down. By the way has anyone seen the new ad from the McCain camp?
McCain's "The One" ad
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