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macokjc -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/2/2008 3:04:05 PM)

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My only concern with not vax'ing her are the infants and potentially pregnant women,


I appreciate your concern - because in my mind; this is a big problem with the number of people who don't vaccinate. I fear that until we go through an epidemic of measles, polio, etc., people will continue not to vaccinate. It's easy to understand that some only see the danger of vaccination, because we have lived in such an easy medical age.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/2/2008 3:20:52 PM)

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The index patient was an unvaccinated boy aged 7 years who had visited Switzerland with his family, returning to the United States on January 13, 2008. He had fever and sore throat on January 21, followed by cough, coryza, and conjunctivitis. On January 24, he attended school. On January 25, the date of his rash onset, he visited the offices of his family physician and his pediatrician. A diagnosis of scarlet fever was ruled out on the basis of a negative rapid test for streptococcus. When the boy's condition became worse on January 26, he visited a children's hospital inpatient laboratory, where blood specimens were collected for measles antibody testing; later that day, he was taken to the same hospital's emergency department because of high fever 104°F (40°C) and generalized rash. No isolation precautions were instituted at the doctors' offices or hospital facilities.


I think the parents were uneducated and foolish. THEY knew their child was not vaccinated (for whatever reason...may have been a very good one, for all we know), THEY knew he had traveled overseas, where measles has not been mostly eliminated. THEY should have pressed the doctors to be sure it wasn't something contagious, and THEY should have insisted on precautions until they were sure it wasn't.

With my reasons for delaying, I would not take an unvaccinated child to another country (besides Canada...but to us upstate NYers, Canada doesn't seem like another country[;)]). And if I had a child who truly should not be vaccinated, I would make sure to be extra cautious upon returning from such a trip.

Bottom line...I think these parents were irresponsible, but not because they chose not to vaccinate.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/2/2008 3:30:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: macokjc

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My only concern with not vax'ing her are the infants and potentially pregnant women,


I appreciate your concern - because in my mind; this is a big problem with the number of people who don't vaccinate. I fear that until we go through an epidemic of measles, polio, etc., people will continue not to vaccinate. It's easy to understand that some only see the danger of vaccination, because we have lived in such an easy medical age.


There is nothing wrong with making an educated decision to delay vaccinations, but I have to weigh the risk of my own daughters health with the likely hood of her contracting measles and being able to spread them. The chances are pretty slim, especially since we won't be taking her out of the country until she has an MMR. It's not intelligent, IMO, to do otherwise unless there is a MAJOR medical reason not to vaccinate.

But anyway, this is the vaccination CHAT thread, not the DEBATE thread.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/2/2008 3:36:40 PM)

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But anyway, this is the vaccination CHAT thread, not the DEBATE thread.


Yup. There are other debate threads if you want to look for them. No one should feel they have to defend their choices in this thread.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/2/2008 4:13:01 PM)

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Bottom line...I think these parents were irresponsible, but not because they chose not to vaccinate.


Two thumbs up!

Not to mention that *generally* measles is a mild childhood disease.



Brandy -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/4/2008 2:38:47 AM)

I promise to come back and give my response when I have hands free again.

I will say that the measles issue and vaccines in general sparked some interesting responses in the BF'ing group I go to. That is partially what sparked me to post here.



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (9/4/2008 12:09:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

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But anyway, this is the vaccination CHAT thread, not the DEBATE thread.


Yup. There are other debate threads if you want to look for them. No one should feel they have to defend their choices in this thread.

thank you

Brandy.....we chose to not vax, and at the time lived out of the country....we weighed the risks to our kids and their reactions and decided that the risk was lesser to them getting it and having a problem then to them having a bad reaction to the vax itself.

it sounds like the reactions to those in that case were mild...like Kim said.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (10/29/2008 7:59:54 PM)

Esther had her 2 month appointment yesterday. I brought what I had come up with for a vaccine schedule and the pedi looked at it. She said I did a good job and she wouldn't recommend changing anything.[:)] If we don't homeschool, we will do some of these earlier, but otherwise, we're good.

Here is what I gave her...

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4 months... DTaP
5 months... HIB, Prevnar
6 months... DTaP
7 months... HIB, Prevnar
8 months... DTaP
9 months... HIB, Prevnar
12 months... IPV (polio)
15 months... HIB(now complete), Prevnar (now complete), IPV
18 months... DTaP (now complete), IPV (now complete)

Somewhere between 3 and 5... Measles, Mumps, Rubella (separately preferred...and if after age of 4, no booster is needed).

5-6... DTaP, IPV

Somewhere between 10 and 13... Hep A, Hep B, varicella (after checking for immunity), MMR if booster needed, Tdap (adult version of DTaP)



purejoy -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (10/30/2008 2:40:54 PM)

Thanks for resurrecting the thread, Donna! I'll have to come back and print this out to read when the "printable version" feature decides to work...



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (10/30/2008 4:16:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: purejoy

Thanks for resurrecting the thread, Donna! I'll have to come back and print this out to read when the "printable version" feature decides to work...

just copy and paste it onto your computer document program



Room2Grow -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/1/2008 3:22:57 PM)

Ryanne- I'm curious what schedule you use? I'm still working out the schedule for #3- I *know* we are skipping varicella (as did one and two) and refusing all vacs in the hospital (being born is enough trauma, thanks) and potentially skipping Rotovirus (this one I had a nurse ask me to check to see if it was given with polio since Anna's reaction may have been the two reacting rather than her reacting to the vaccine). I go December 2 to a new ped. for Eleni's checkup (I figure I'll get a pretty good vibe from that, and also discuss the vacs then to see if we should make the switch). I also think I'm going to delay the Hep for much longer this time around- they are really not in an at risk population.... We go to church, MOPS, and the Y (in a pretty good area), so I'm thinking that "herd immunity" will protect from a lot of things until we do get the vacs.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 1:32:12 PM)

Hmm, we aren't really on a schedule right now. I need to find Gabby's shot record and figure it out with the Pediatrician. I think she just has a couple of the early ones left. Her pediatrician isn't very concerned, and we'll talk about them at her 18 month check up. He did recommend that we take her for a measles vaccine since there are reported cases in 16 states now. I just need to call the clinic and set up an appointment.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2008/r080821.htm



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 1:50:08 PM)

Thanks for posting that, Ryanne. I wish it broke down upstate NY and NYC though. I wonder how many of the 27 NY cases were upstate, KWIM?

We will probably do Levi's MMR at his 2 yr appointment. We'll see... The pedi did mention that in many, many cases, the outbreaks that do occur are started in churches like ours, with a large hsing population, many unvaccinated kids or delayed vaccinated kids, and also people always going on mission's trips.

He didn't have any trouble at all with the DTaP last week. He did not get the giant knot in his leg that he did with previous shots. I wonder if it's because he's bigger and his body can deal with it better or if it was the combination of all those shots before.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 2:11:42 PM)

It would be nice if it broke it down for you... I think the majority of the cases that were reported so far can all be linked to an outside source(IE another country) because it's not endemic in the US, as far as I know. It is endemic in countries like the UK.



Brandy -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 4:23:16 PM)

Ok, glad this thread got pulled back up..

So I told Doc at first visit we were'nt doing Hep. He apparently thought that I meant only while in the hosp.

Apparently I've learned a HUGE lesson in READING THE LABELS BEFORE THEY GIVE THE SHOT.

She got Hep in the 5 in 1 DTAP. IF i want to seperate it will be TWO shots now, DTaP and Polio. Along with HIB as another shot. I can't do that to her, she gets so out of whack for a few days that I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

There is a large sticker on her chart now and I WILL be reading ALL labels prior to giving. gr.

What would you guys do?

Space them out more to NOT have 3 shots in one day or just get the DTap/Hep?



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 4:28:29 PM)

If you don't want her to have the hep now but you do want her to have the other stuff...it won't hurt her to have an extra poke each time. It won't make her more miserable than one poke. Often, they will do more than one shot at a time.

Or you can keep going with the combination DTaP/Polio/Hep B. She's partially immunized from that one shot but I think will have to repeat all the shots if you don't finish it and do it later on.

Do you mind posting the schedule you are doing?



Brandy -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 5:09:45 PM)

The alternate Dr. Sears schedule

he months with an * are shots-only visits b/c most doctors don't do well-baby appts those months. I'm leaving the Flu shot out of this schedule b/c there are footnotes that basically say to start it with 2 doses between 6-12 months during flu season, then get one each year through age 5.

Dr. Sear's Alternative Vaccine Schedule

* 2 months: DTaP, Rotavirus
* 3 months*: Pc, HIB
* 4 months: DTaP, Rotavirus
* 5 months*: Pc, HIB
* 6 months: DTaP, Rotavirus
* 7 months*: Pc, HIB
* 9 months: Polio (IPV)
* 12 months: Mumps, Polio (IPV)
* 15 months: Pc, HIB
* 18 months: DTaP, Chickenpox
* 2 years: Rubella, Polio (IPV)
* 2 1/2 years*: Hep B, Hep A (start Hep B at birth if any close relatives or caregivers have Hep B)
* 3 years: Hep B, Measles
* 3 1/2 years*: Hep B, Hep A
* 4 years: DTaP, Polio (IPV)
* 5 years: MMR
* 6 years: Chickenpox
* 12 years: Tdap, HPV
* 12 years, 2 months*: HPV
* 13 years: HPV, Meningococcal (once Meningococcal vaccine is approved for age 2, Dr. Sears will move it there and delay Hep B by 6 months)



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 5:46:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
It is endemic in countries like the UK.


(what countries are like the UK, Ryanne? [;)] [8D] )


For information, not only is measles endemic in the UK, we've had warnings of a possible measlesepidemic.

From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/health/3140154/Measles-epidemic-warning-after-MMR-vaccine-uptake-fall.html

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Up to 100,000 children could be affected by the "very real" risk of a measles epidemic that could kill because more than 1 million children are not protected against the disease.

Research has shown that ten years of low uptake rates of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccination has left 1.3m children aged between two and 17 at risk of contracting the potentially lethal disease, Government scientists have warned.

For the first time in 15 years, there has been sustained transmission of measles for more than 12 months indicating that immunisation is no longer controlling the spread of the disease, Dr Mary Ramsay, consultant in immunisation at the Health Protection Agency, said.

The study suggests there could be an imminent epidemic of up to 100,000 cases of measles, mainly in school-age children and concentrated in London.

If there were tens of thousands of cases, deaths would be expected.



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 5:49:53 PM)

For anyone who is interested, here is the immunisation schedule for babies/children in the UK:

http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines

You will notice there is no varicella vaccination and no Hep A or Hep B vaccination.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 11:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
It is endemic in countries like the UK.


(what countries are like the UK, Ryanne? [;)] [8D] )



Hey! Cut me some slack[8D] I'm over worked and under paid this week, lol.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/2/2008 11:21:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

For anyone who is interested, here is the immunisation schedule for babies/children in the UK:

http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines

You will notice there is no varicella vaccination and no Hep A or Hep B vaccination.


No Rotavirus either... Gosh, guess I'm not such a weirdo after all[:D]



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/18/2008 12:23:41 AM)

What are the pros and cons to doing the MMR at 13 months vs waiting till age 3 or 4?



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/18/2008 8:32:46 AM)

Do they do it at 13 months there? It's 18 months here.

Pros to getting it early...they're immune earlier in case there is an outbreak
Cons to getting it early...MMR is a nasty vaccine. At least part of it is live, which is what causes the reactions it does. All of my kids have gotten a very high fever for days and a whole body rash after the shot. Nasty, nasty. There is also a possible autism risk. I believe this is a real risk for some kids and there isn't a way to know which kids until it's too late. Not sure if this risk diminishes as they get older, but it would make sense that some babies are not able to handle the vaccine at a young age, but may be able to a bit older/bigger.

Pros to waiting...if you wait until the age of ?4?, a booster is not necessary. Hopefully less of a reaction.
Cons to waiting...if there is an outbreak, your child is not immune. Outbreaks are becoming more common as more people delay the vaccine.

Levi has not had his yet. He is 21 months old. I'm not sure when we will do it. Maybe when he's 2, maybe later. His pedi does have us on a list of patients to call immediately if there is an outbreak anywhere near us. If that were to happen, we'd have him vaccinated immediately.



Sideways -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/18/2008 11:27:44 AM)

Nathan had his MMR at 12 months, and it is a nasty one. It's the only one, I believe that he really reacted to with fever and just feeling out of sorts. I don't think he got a bad rash. He did get a large, red lump on his leg. He also got a minor fever with chicken pox and felt a little sore after a few others.

He's 19 months now and certainly no signs of autism. Check with your doctor about what type of vaccine they are using. I think certain types are more likely to trigger autism in some kids. Donna covered the pros and cons very well though.

Whatever you decide, don't think that being a SAHM with your child is any real protection, 'cause it's not. If you take your child to church (nursery or not), if you take your child to the store, anything, there is risk. It's up to you and your hubby, with your doc as a partner in health care - but staying at home should never be used as a security blanket.

My niece taught me that one.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (11/18/2008 1:15:16 PM)

Our pedi did say that many outbreaks spread through church like mine...with a large homeschooling population, many of whom delay or don't do vaccines at all, AND who sends mission teams to other countries. It is a risk I know we are taking, but I do believe it is a small risk for us at this time.

Ruth, I can't believe they do the MMR so early! With all of my kids, it's never been given until 18 months. I don't think it's even recommended until at least 15 months. Weird...



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