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Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 11:02:18 AM)

Ok, Hep A is "standard", I guess. I wonder if I need to get it, I know I haven't had that one before.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 11:07:02 AM)

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I have HPV that I got from my DH and while it stinks, it is certainly not the end of the world.


That's good to know. Thanks for letting me know your reasons. We have similar histories, so I'm glad you shared. I may be overly worried about the abuse/rape possibility because I have experienced both, KWIM?

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I don't think Hep A is standard here.


According to the vaccine book, it is becoming standard here, or will over the next couple years.

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Are vaccinations publicly funded or do you have to pay? If you pay out of pocket rather than through insurance, how much does it cost for the vaccinations? I'm curious, since I've never seen how much it costs.


We also have vaccination clinics through the county health department. I think they may charge $5 per shot, but they won't refuse anyone if they don't have it either. Every insurance I know of covers well-child and preventive care pretty well. We have state insurance because Brian's employer does not offer a plan worth getting, so we don't pay either.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 11:16:53 AM)

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That's good to know. Thanks for letting me know your reasons. We have similar histories, so I'm glad you shared. I may be overly worried about the abuse/rape possibility because I have experienced both, KWIM?


Yup, I know what ya mean. The thing to remember about HPV is that the immune system eradicates it in most cases, so unless you have a constant source(like I do) then it shouldn't be a continual issue. Even if I could have gotten the vax before we got married I would not have. Neurological damage and possible birth defects in a child are not something I would risk, even if they have only happened 15 times.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 11:36:14 AM)

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Neurological damage and possible birth defects in a child are not something I would risk, even if they have only happened 15 times.


According to the book I am reading, those birth defects happened when a child was conceived very shortly after the vaccine was given. But yeah...there's not enough known about it yet for me to do it now anyway.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 11:49:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

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Neurological damage and possible birth defects in a child are not something I would risk, even if they have only happened 15 times.


According to the book I am reading, those birth defects happened when a child was conceived very shortly after the vaccine was given. But yeah...there's not enough known about it yet for me to do it now anyway.


Right, I was talking about for me to have gotton it right before we got married when there was a risk of getting pregnant. Not something I would worry about for say an 11 yo.



lexie -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 12:22:13 PM)

My issue with Gardasil right now is just the fact that it is new. But I do have 11 years until I really need to decide.

I also take issue with it for the way it is advertised right now. It doesn't prevent all strains of HPV, and you can get cervical cancer without having HPV. I had pre-cancerous cells when I was 22 and I don't have HPV. If people want to go out and get it for their children now, I don't judge them, but I hope they do some research into it and not just do it because of what they are told in the advertisements.



Row1 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 12:36:44 PM)

rotavirus: we were too late.

didn't know abt the shot til after our boy had rotavirus - he caught it at 5 months. Typical is 5 or 6 months.

for most, like our boy, it ran its course.

the only real risk I believe is dehydration, which is easy to monitor if you learn how.

I don't know if there is any controversy abt rotavirus shot. But the risk from rotavirus itself is not much cuz it is not a big deal medically to detect or treat dehydration, usually without hospitalization. the only other risk as far as i know is diaper rash.

so, if you are trying to figure out which immunizations to skip, you can skip the rotav shot.

but be warned :p

the rotavirus is very unpleasant for the child, lots of diarrhea for a few days, and very unpleasant for anyone else in the home. it smells very bad, way worse than any other diaper change. it basically stunk up the whole house, even though we were frequently changing good diapers, and taking them out of the house EACH time. It smelled so bad. One of those vile smells that sticks in your nose. A regular diaper change does not compare. you do not want to unleash this smell at a restaurant, or church daycare. i laugh abt it now but man it stunk. did i mention how bad it smelled?



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 1:59:06 PM)

Rotavirus vaccine is actually oral. And a baby with it is at increased risk of dehydration and hospitalization. My concern with it is that a different rotavirus vaccine was pulled from the market right before my oldest was born (he's 8). It caused bowel obstruction a good number of times. My doctor assured me that was not an issue with this new vaccine for Levi, but I'm not sure he knew what he was talking about. We'll be skipping it for the next one. Those at highest risk are those who are 1) in daycare/nursery and/or 2) not breastfed. Since neither of those applied to us, and we've dealt with our share of tummy bugs (4 kids...we've seen a few over the years[;)]), we won't do that one with this next baby.



macokjc -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 2:32:30 PM)

As mentioned in my previous post, rotavirus kills hundreds of thousands of babies every year, mostly in third world countries.
Our daughter was two when she caught it; and she was both breastfed (exclusively until 18 mnths) and had never, ever been to daycare. It is not that dehydration is hard to spot, but you cannot force a child to keep down liquids, so it can be hard to prevent. I think that after you have seen your baby vomit every 10 minutes for hours on end no matter what you do; you take it more seriously than others.

After our experience, I did some research on the old and new vaccine. Like all of them, you can find any statistic to support your point of view.



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/15/2008 4:56:39 PM)

Did you see the Jon & Kate plus 8 when they all got the stomach flu? Ewww, I never even though of that before. It would be awful having that many kids sick at the same time - or one right after the other. Especially if the parents got it too!!

Sorry, slightly off topic. Just thought of it due to the rotavirus discussion.



Mrs.X -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 12:37:58 AM)

We delay our kids' vaccines. They will have all their vaccines by the time they start school though, except chickenpox.

I heard that in order for unvaccinated people to be protected from disease that 90% of the population needs to be vaccinated. But, I saw on the news the other day that only 80% of the pop. is vaccinated, so I'm a little concerned. I wonder if illegal immigrants are included in that statistic? I don't think I have all mine up-to-date either.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 8:06:17 AM)

I finished the book yesterday. The last few chapters were about the safety of vaccines, specific ingredients in vaccines, and a couple schedules for delaying vaccines, picking out the most important ones. Still highly recommend the book and I'll not be loaning mine out for fear of losing all my underlinings and notes! LOL

I think we will go by his recommended delayed schedule, with a few variations (no flu shots unless we have another sicky like my oldest, probably no rotavirus, and a couple will be later than he suggests). I'll post what we plan to do later. I forgot the book upstairs.[8|]



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 11:37:31 AM)

I'm looking forward to checking out your schedule, Donna!



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 2:51:35 PM)

What I think we'll do...

4 months... DTaP
5 months... HIB
5.5 months... Pneumococcal (Pc or Prevnar)
6 months... DTaP
7 months... HIB
7.5 months... Pc
8 months... DTaP
9 months... HIB
10 months... Pc
12 months... IPV (polio)
14 months... HIB(now complete)
15 months... Pc (now complete)
16 months... IPV
17 months...DTaP (now complete)
18 months... IPV (now complete)

Those 4 are the most important for small children (with Rotavirus being negotiable in being added to that list...3 of my 4 kids didn't have the vaccine because it wasn't available, and if they did get Rotavirus, we didn't know that's what it was...we're skipping it), according to Dr. Sear's research, and these will all be done because I am comfortable with that schedule. Any shots at times we don't normally have well child appointments will be nurse only appointments. Polio is no longer a risk in this country, but the vaccine is not a really reactive one (Dr. Sear's has a list of vaccines from least to most likely to cause side effects) and it fits in the schedule, so we will do it.

Somewhere between 3 and 5... Measles, Mumps, Rubella (separately...and if after age of 4, no booster is needed). None of these diseases are big issues for young children (infants, yes, but they can't get the vaccines yet anyway). These are done more to protect pregnant women who may not have good immunity and infants who cannot have the vaccine yet.

5-6... DTaP, IPV

Somewhere between 10 and 13... Hep A, Hep B, varicella (after checking for immunity), MMR if booster needed, Tdap (adult version of DTaP)

I anticipate at least some of our kids may want to go on international mission's trips with our church, so they need to be appropriately vaccinated for that by the time they are teens.

Thoughts?[:D]



Mrs.X -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 8:42:07 PM)

That sounds great, Donna! So many visits though...do you live close to the doc?



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/16/2008 8:43:29 PM)

Five minutes away, and my mom works at the office too. She'll love showing off the baby once a month.[8D]



Ignited-Faith -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/17/2008 2:04:56 AM)

Has anyone noticed their child get a fever and then a Seizure a few weeks after getting an immunization shot?
(This happened to my daughter when she was a baby. She devoloped Febral Seizures. She later out grew them. (Very scarry! Time in Hospital, put on meds, etc.) Now she is 20 years old. Her Son got his one year shots, and he also got a fever and a Seizure! Right now she is holding off getting more shots... We also were afraid that he might have the rotavirus. He was so sick. It ended up just being the flu or something.
(As of late, we were at the Dr. because he had a very bad cold. The Doctor said he should still come in next week to get his immunization shot! We didn't think he should if he was not well! We cancelled the appt. and now are praying to know what to do. (Get more shots or not?!)
He is nursed, and is usually a healthy baby, until he gets the shots!
Lord Help!



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/17/2008 6:56:43 AM)

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Neurological damage and possible birth defects in a child are not something I would risk, even if they have only happened 15 times.


Considering how "young" the vaccine is, that's actually a pretty high number. [>:] I wont be getting it. No daughters right now so it's really not anything to tghink about for us at this point.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/17/2008 11:37:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

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Neurological damage and possible birth defects in a child are not something I would risk, even if they have only happened 15 times.


Considering how "young" the vaccine is, that's actually a pretty high number. [>:] I wont be getting it. No daughters right now so it's really not anything to tghink about for us at this point.


The birth defects happened only a couple of times, but there have been alot of reported cases of neurological "trauma". To many for me... And actually, there is talk of testing it in males so it might eventually be a concern for you.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/17/2008 12:57:22 PM)

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And actually, there is talk of testing it in males so it might eventually be a concern for you.


Oh blech. [>:]

Who signs up to be guinea pigs for this stuff anyway?? [&:]



Flintejae -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/19/2008 5:46:54 PM)

Donna - thank you for sending me to this thread!!!



shadowspring -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/20/2008 3:14:47 PM)

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That's good to know. Thanks for letting me know your reasons. We have similar histories, so I'm glad you shared. I may be overly worried about the abuse/rape possibility because I have experienced both, KWIM?


Donna, I shared your concerns. There's no way of guaranteeing anything for ourselves even, much less our children. Things happen.

My decision? Let my 16 yr old decide for herself. She is 17 now, and so far has decided against Gardasil .

My children had all their vax more or less on schedule, although I have run into over-bearing doctors that would not consider a relaxed schedule. Nice to know early on, so I didn't waste anymore time and money on their practice.

Oldest had chicken pox, so no varicella for her. But the younger one got the vax, after he failed to catch it at preschool when so many others did.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/20/2008 4:59:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shadowspring

Oldest had chicken pox, so no varicella for her. But the younger one got the vax, after he failed to catch it at preschool when so many others did.


I'm asking because I don't understand this. If you get chicken pox, it doesn't automatically make you immune. Can you get tested to see if you're immune? (I think you can, but I don't see people doing it so I'm not sure.) I know plenty of people who have had it multiple times... and I suppose I've heard it somewhere in bio, although the people stick out more in my mind. I know even after you get it it can lie dormant in your system, and because of that can later on cause problems (pox or shingles again), but I think that can happen with or without a vaccine if you've already had it once.



shadowspring -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/20/2008 5:55:30 PM)

Solo, those are questions best left to your doctor. I am no authority. I was relating my personal experience, as the OP asked folks to do. [:)]

I will add that I am 45 years old, and I don't know a single person who has had chicken pox more than once though. You must be in an area with a high chicken pox contagion or something?

In all my 45 years I have only heard of personally (not met) one person with serious complications from chicken pox, and that was before the vaccine came out.

Those complications were serious though! It was that super-slim chance that it could even possibly happen to my son that led me to get him vaccinated.

No, I am not afraid for my daughter or my son. No one in my family or my husband's family has ever had any problems with a course of chicken pox. The vaccine was simply a precautionary measure, like drinking bottled water in a foreign country. Or actually in my mind, slightly more useful than knocking on wood or throwing salt over your shoulder. After all, there were no studies available at the time on the long term efficacy of the vaccine, other than a few that seemed to suggest it might increase the incidence of shingles later. Not exactly encouraging news to get after paying for the vaccine, let me tell you. [:(]

And if one course of chicken pox is not enough to immunize my daughter, what is the point of a vaccine? If a live virus exposure doesn't result in immunization, what good is a killed virus exposure? Good questions, huh? But I don't know the answer.

Honestly I do not have the time or the money to get all worked up about something so negligibly dangerous. Polio? Completely serious threat! Measles? Arguably a serious threat, though people do survive without long-term problems. Whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus? Seriously dangerous stuff!

Chicken pox? No one in my entire childhood experience was anything more than uncomfortable. Hardly on the same threat level as polio, which kills or cripples pretty much everyone who is infected. Though if I had even one distant relative with serious complications, I would be waaaaay more concerned.

Ditto my feelings on the Gardasil. I would probably get it if I was a teen, like I did the varicella for my son, on the "it can't hurt" theory. But it is my daughter's body, and she surely has the right to make a decision about non-mandatory vaccinations on her own at the age of 17.



Flintejae -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (5/20/2008 7:07:18 PM)

Okay, I just read/browsed the book, Donna. I must say I feel more comfortable getting my son vaccinated and I'm breathing a little easier with his alternative schedule. I didn't feel judged while reading it with concerns. He did make me really think about the DTaP and such.

I have more to think about now, but I don't feel 'as' lost.



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