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stellaluna -> Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 12:10:46 PM)

Malachi 1:4-5

Edom may say, "Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins."
But this is what the LORD Almighty says: "They may build, but I will demolish. They will be called the Wicked Land, a people always under the wrath of the LORD. You will see it with your own eyes and say, 'Great is the LORD -even beyond the borders of Israel!'



JimboFletch -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 12:14:51 PM)

Edomites were the descendents of Essau and were wiped out.



Bluethread -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 12:51:01 PM)

I do not believe the children were wiped out. If I understand correctly, Esau is also a child of the promise, just not the recipient of the birth right. Israel entered the promised land by way of the Philistines because Adonai would not allow them to violate thier brothers' land. Today, I believe that Jordan is the land of Edom. If they would acknowledge and respect Israel's borders as designated by Adonai, then they to would realize Yitzchak's(Isaac's) blessing.



BerianAardvark -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 1:17:19 PM)

From Smith's Bible Dictionary by Dr. William Smith (1884) (hence in public domain)

Edom
E'dom. (red). The name Edom was given to Esau, the first-born son of Isaac and twin brother of Jacob, when he sold his birthright to the latter for a meal of lentil pottage. The country which the Lord, subsequently, gave to Esau was, hence, called "the country of Edom," Gen_32:3, and his descendants were called Edomites. Edom was called Mount Seir and Idumea also. Edom was wholly a mountainous country. It embraced the narrow mountainous tract (about 100 miles long by 20 broad) extending along the eastern side of the Arabah from the northern end of the Gulf of Elath to near the southern end of the Dead Sea. The ancient capital of Edom was Bozrah (Buseireh). Sela (Petra) appears to have been the principal stronghold in the days of Amaziah (B.C. 838). 2Ki_14:7. Elath and Ezion-geber were the seaports. 2Sa_8:14; 1Ki_9:26.
History. -- Esau's bitter hatred to his brother, Jacob, for fraudulently obtaining his blessing appears to have been inherited by his latest posterity. The Edomites peremptorily refused to permit the Israelites to pass through their land. Num_20:18-21.
For a period of 400 years, we hear no more of the Edomites. They were then attacked and defeated by Saul, 1Sa_14:47, and some forty years later, by David. 2Sa_8:13-14. In the reign of Jehoshaphat, (B.C. 914), the Edomites attempted to invade Israel, but failed. 2Ch_20:22. They joined Nebuchadnezzar when that king besieged Jerusalem. For their cruelty at this time, they were fearfully denounced by the later prophets. Isa_34:5-8; Isa_63:1-4; Jer_49:17.
After this, they settled in southern Palestine, and for more than four centuries, continued to prosper. But during the warlike rule of the Maccabees, they were again completely subdued, and even forced to conform to Jewish laws and rites, and submit to the government of Jewish prefects.
The Edomites were now incorporated with the Jewish nation. They were idolaters. 2Ch_25:14; 2Ch_25:15; 2Ch_25:20. Their habits were singular. The Horites, their predecessors in Mount Seir, were, as their name implies, troglodytes, or dwellers in caves; and the Edomites seem to have adopted their dwellings as well as their country. Everywhere, we meet with caves and grottos hewn in the soft sandstone strata.

So, apparently, they were eventually assimilated.



JimboFletch -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 2:05:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark
So, apparently, they were eventually assimilated.

Thank you for the clarification. I obviously had their destruction confused with another group.



timf -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/14/2008 3:09:35 PM)

Where, who, what is Edom?

Southeast of Jerusalem in the present country of Jordan are the remains of the nation of Edom. Today teenagers from Israel sometimes sneak into this area and often have to be returned to Israel by Jordainian officials.

At one time it is estimated that 3-5 million people may have lived here. There is a carving in stone that was used in an exterior shot for the movie Indiana Jones and the last crusade at a place called Petra.

Some think that during the middle of the tribulation period when the anti-christ erects his statue in the rebuilt temple that those who escape will flee to this region any be protected by God for 3 1/2 years.

It has also been said that Herod was an Edomite and might have been one of the last remnant of this distinct people.



broken2live4him -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/15/2008 7:30:41 AM)

Genesis 25:30 tells us Edom was Esau's other name. Edom, who of course was named after Esau, was wiped off the map. Obadiah will tell you of Edom's destruction. If you look on any map, you will find Edom does not exist because God wiped that nation out.[sm=crazy.gif]



GrahamCracker -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/15/2008 10:33:07 AM)

When we say "wiped out," it would probably be more correct to say that they ceased from being a nation many centuries ago. Some of their biological descendants were likely absorbed into other people groups that are still present in the region. But no one could identify themselves as specifically Edomite. However, it is said that Herod the Great was of Edomite ethnic origin. I am not sure where that bit of information comes from unless it comes from Josephus.



GrahamCracker -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/15/2008 10:53:33 AM)

"Recent archaeological evidence may indicate an Edomite nation as long ago as the 11th century BC, but the topic is controversial. The nation ceased to exist with the Jewish-Roman Wars."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom



biblewalks -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/15/2008 2:31:31 PM)

Edom:

Edom is an area in Jordan, the mountains east to the Arava - the desert corridor that stretches from the red sea towards the dead sea.

In Hebrew Edom means "red" as the color of the rocks. Edom is mentioned many times in relation to Esau brother of Jacob and the geographic area. For example (Genesis 25:30): "And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom". and (Genesis 36:8): "Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom".

The Bible also calls it "Seir" (Genesis 32:3): "And Jacob sent messengers before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom".

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You can see the red color of the rocks in the Israeli park called Timna, with its famous red rock pillars called the Solomon's Pillars. Check my web site to view the park:
Solomon's pillars



biblewalks -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/15/2008 3:31:07 PM)

A view of mountains of Edom, as seen from the Arava, in the following photo link:

[image]http://www.biblewalks.com/photos23/edomfromyotveta.jpg[/image]


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BerianAardvark -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/18/2008 1:42:10 AM)

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However, it is said that Herod the Great was of Edomite ethnic origin. I am not sure where that bit of information comes from unless it comes from Josephus.


Excellent surmise. From Antiquities of the Jews - Book 14, chapter 1 paragraph 3


But there was a certain friend of Hyrcanus, an Idumean, called Antipater, who was very rich, and in his nature an active and a seditious man; who was at enmity with Aristobulus, and had differences with him on account of his good-will to Hyrcanus. It is true that Nicolatls of Damascus says, that Antipater was of the stock of the principal Jews who came out of Babylon into Judea; but that assertion of his was to gratify Herod, who was his son, and who, by certain revolutions of fortune, came afterward to be king of the Jews, whose history we shall give you in its proper place hereafter. However, this Antipater was at first called Antipas, and that was his father's name also; of whom they relate this: That king Alexander and his wife made him general of all Idumea, and that he made a league of friendship with those Arabians, and Gazites, and Ascalonites, that were of his own party, and had, by many and large presents, made them his fast friends.

The Idumeans were identified with the Edomites (From the ISBE article on Edam)

West of the ‛Arabah the country the Edomites occupied came to be known by the Greek name Idumaea, and the people as Idumeans. Hebron, their chief city, was taken by Judas Maccabeus in 165 bc (1 Macc 4:29, 61; 5:65). In 126 bc the country was subdued by John Hyrcanus, who compelled the people to become Jews and to submit to circumcision. Antipater, governor of Idumaea, was made procurator of Judea, Samaria and Galilee by Julius Caesar. He paved the way to the throne for his son Herod the Great. With the fall of Judah under the Romans, Idumaea disappears from history.



Strider33 -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/19/2008 10:51:38 AM)

I read somewhere that Herod the Great was half Idumenean. But I can't remember where I read it.



GrahamCracker -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/19/2008 4:45:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Strider33

I read somewhere that Herod the Great was half Idumenean. But I can't remember where I read it.


I think that everyone says that because of Josephus, the historian.



BerianAardvark -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/20/2008 1:25:04 AM)

There are other sources that also claim Herod was Idumenean (which another name for Edomite) including one (which I am still trying to pin down. Josephus is the generally cited historical reference, but not the only one.

Tim



broken2live4him -> RE: Where, who, what is Edom? (5/20/2008 9:04:15 AM)

hiya Larry,

Nope didn't get my information from reading on Josephus.

Mostly from the book of Obadiah and cross-referencing verses... when i used the words "wiped off the map" that was just my way of saying they ceased as a nation as you stated. [:)]



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