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WaitingforBoaz -> Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 1:22:38 PM)

The Ultimate Mama's Boy

I just read/watched this.

What do you think?




woodwind228 -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 1:33:28 PM)

Pathetic.




Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 1:37:02 PM)

Hmmm...I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it...(Big Brother and all that around here) but the title alone skeers me. [:o]




jazzlvr -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 2:40:31 PM)

You took the words right out of my mouth woodwind228. That's pathetic.




AlwaysR8chel -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 2:44:02 PM)

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......... oh my goodness.

I dated a momma's boy once.... and it wasn't near as bad as this!

Wow!

How do the moms handle it???

Must be a culture thing.... seriously.




jazzlvr -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 2:47:36 PM)

I don't know. I've met a few here in the good ole U.S. of A. that are as bad as that. Mommy just can't let go and as long as she's doing all the cooking and cleaning for him, he has no reason to change it.




AlwaysR8chel -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 2:49:32 PM)

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........... I think a life as described in the video shows a lack of character... [:o]




jazzlvr -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 2:50:48 PM)

Either that or they're lazy you-know-what's.




woodwind228 -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 4:47:53 PM)

How 'bout both: lack of character AND lazy. And irresponsible, and......




AdrianaS -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 5:15:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: followtheLeader

The Ultimate Mama's Boy

I just read/watched this.

What do you think?


I do find funny, of course. [:D]

Different cultures, family structures, bondings between family members and many etcs. The different kinds of matriarchal and patriarchal families that plays in families. Sure we see dysfuctional families at play in most human family in different degrees. In the case of the Mamas in the video I could see that the Papas were in agreement with the sons live in arranjaments and etc It seems everybody into play were happy but not the foreigner girlfriends or the foreigner reporter..[:D] Well, it seems that by "kids" not living parents home the population is not growing as people not getting married and no babies being made..BUT this problem of population getting old and older and no babies being made is happening in many 1st world country as people do not want to marry or have kids, or whatever situation a society have going on as an "steady trend". As there are other places where many grandparents nowdays are raising their grandkids full time because of many reasons too. Or because economic struggles who families and generations live together and help one another and etc.


I do appreciate cultures who has strong family bonds and values, for sure. Yes and I understand as a foreigner that "we" may see US society very independent and detached from their families in many ways and particular depending where one comes from we just find very "cold" the ways of some societies because of their busy lives, independency and etc put their elderly (and to abandon) them in nursing homes...very sad indeed.

"Italian Mamas" ways most of the time that I known and experienced in my generstion growing up are mamas to all, they are mothering caring women. They mother bothe genders kids and kids in general as everybody who enjoys to be mothered. Its family affair we go at least weekly to have meal in their homes if they are the grandmothers and we live around etc. Usually the Mama will be the oldest women in a loving family or just mothers who enjoys open their homes to people where "everybody" is welcome. To some very possessive mothers with grown up kids they may resist a girlfriend initialy, but that is part of the dance and test a candidate to be future wife for their son etc...[:D]

As Iam a Dad's girl at heart, I see no problem when men have strong connections with theirs parents, "Italian ways" or other similar ways, I do understand and respect that it takes longer time to some to live the nest because of too much love going on. Most of those men are profissional men and many etcs but attached to Mama care. To me they are great friends material of course, would love to meet their Mamas and Papas, as they would be Aunties and Uncles to me, as its the family ways we interact with friends families in many cultures as we grow up, etc.




earthless -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 5:35:09 PM)

If you want a good husband.. look for the man that is a good son.

The way he treats his mom is a solid indicator of how he will ultimately treat you.




woodwind228 -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 6:10:03 PM)

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If you want a good husband.. look for the man that is a good son.

The way he treats his mom is a solid indicator of how he will ultimately treat you.


There's a difference between being a good son and being a mama's boy. I've known people involved with mama's boys and, while they may treat their moms great, the gf/wife of the guy often complains of being ignored or treated substandardly by comparison. As is usually the case, I'm sure there are some exceptions to this...this is just what I've seen happen to some of my friends.

It's one thing to live with parents if you're going through a hard time until you can get back on your feet, or if they're sick or something. But something entirely different when they're still living with mama without paying rent, doing chores, etc. like the video depicted. How can they learn to be responsible in that situation? How could they be prepared to get married and be a proper husband if they're still mooching off the parents and aren't required to "pay their dues" so to speak.




AdrianaS -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 7:19:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: woodwind228

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If you want a good husband.. look for the man that is a good son.

The way he treats his mom is a solid indicator of how he will ultimately treat you.


But something entirely different when they're still living with mama without paying rent, doing chores, etc. like the video depicted. How can they learn to be responsible in that situation? How could they be prepared to get married and be a proper husband if they're still mooching off the parents and aren't required to "pay their dues" so to speak.


I think that to forget in understanding we are dealing, by the exemple in the video, with a specific culture , not a behaviour we may had experience in a totaly different culture, from the exemple in the video.

We are dealing with a culture, where the father of a home get pleasure and honor to feed the ones who are living under their roofs or are guest whom they share the foods and its commom to invite people to their homes to eat and etcs. Plain generosity that naturaly goes on between people who love one another in a family structure. I dont think those sucessful males with jobs etc are taking advantage of their elderly parents or the parents in those videos feel been taken advantage off. They clearly say over and over is cultural ways and the opposite would be shameful.

Those son may be contributing with their shares of $ if required, needed and etc..dont know the specifics of those particular families - as if Mama is a widow for exemple, I very much doubt their kids taking advantage of her pension and not providing for her and etcs its against the strong family values to not help parents, siblings in need. If there are some whom may take advantage of the arranjament of being a mama's boy, of course it may happen but still to honor and love ones mother/father/elderly is very strong drive in many cultures. As there are Mamas who are not into being a Mama like the video, as I think "just" 37% of Italians males between 25 and 35 are living with their parents etc

Plus many of those women generation, in the clips, are at least in their 60's (most Mamas boys are in their 25's to 35's, I think..), they do those thing because they enjoy to take care of their families, is a full time job as they are not slaves being treated as domestic maids some may see as they are doing domestic work. Its commom in many cultures women get up early daily, to go to market to buy fresh bread, fresh foods etc the way of life is just different around the world and its regions. US is not the natural way of living to the majority of the population of the world. In many places things are doing from scratch as people dont use the services of the dry cleaners and choose (or have to $$$) to do things "old fashioned".

Many Mamas are very much a strong influence and personality in their families life and some may choose use manipulation ways behind the scenes, to get Mamas ways too. The Italian culture is expressive by nature and if some one is not happy with arranjaments they would be dramaticaly complaining one way or another, as some may do, of course. Still things done to the family the way they do is what its natural, in their cultures as those in the video said so.




woodwind228 -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 8:57:22 PM)

I can't speak for other cultures, of course. I have no experience with that. But even in the video it had a negative connotation in that culture. Even the brother of the guy still living at home teases him for it, as stated in the video clip.




AdrianaS -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/12/2008 10:45:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: woodwind228

I can't speak for other cultures, of course. I have no experience with that. But even in the video it had a negative connotation in that culture. Even the brother of the guy still living at home teases him for it, as stated in the video clip.


Yep. The Mama boys in that family is the oldest son and the one who has a family and moved away from Mamas etc is the younger son. Teases do happen about what seem favoritism to the "prince" in a family. As we observe the order by seats on the meal table, the father and Mamas boy take the honor seats as and Mom and Dad are laughing of the situation exposed by the younger son and etc. By the Italian national % numbers some stay home other leave.


If the parents have no problem with the situation going on in their families, not even the government incentives to adults move away from parents home, to help nation economy and etc will "fly". There were a case a while ago, where a father went to court to stop paying "child support" for his 30 years old son, but the courts ruled he had to keep paying the child support eventhough the son had diploma, profissional and a fund of more then 200.000,00 (dont know if was U$ or Euros) in the bank. Yep, that case was really really a extreme one, ruled by the court against the father! [&:]

Another thing that is shown in the video is mostly middle class exemples but there are struggle in Italy's economy and it seems lots of adults have Uni education but not well pay job to afford to live on their own, particularly in big cities and as the culture parents sees no problem having their kids back home (or not even moved away). Plus many women will move away from their parents home only when they get married anyways.

Another thing I observed in the clip is the sarcasm and playful ways the Mama boys are answering the questions to the reporter, because they already know they are being judged and etc by a foreigner. Some may give impression of being macho man but I would find very difficult an authentic macho man be a Mamas boy. Macho men may take their own wives many times very early in life, in macho cultures. Yep, my personal observations, of course.




WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 5:13:33 PM)

I'm surprised that more men did not respond to this. This is not a slam on American Men. You were not brought up this way. I was taken aback by the story because when I think of European men (other than French) I think Macho, In control of his life, doing things the old fashioned way; leaving, cleaving being the leader in his home and the bread winner. Then I see this. I have a whole new respect for the independent, freespirited, American Male.
Some would say that since it is a sociatal norm there, that it is normal, but it is having a negative effect on their society as a whole. The women have moved forward with the times. It seems their men, have refused to do so. I am curious what the long term effects will be.




earthless -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 6:17:05 PM)

My comments remain/stand.. I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.




WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 7:41:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

My comments remain/stand.. I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.

So the women these men marry, can look forward to; Slave labor, playing second fiddle to mama, having their sons in their home permanently, and feeling like they never measure up because no one can do anything as well as Mama.




AdrianaS -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 8:11:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: followtheLeader

I'm surprised that more men did not respond to this. This is not a slam on American Men. You were not brought up this way. I was taken aback by the story because when I think of European men (other than French) I think Macho, In control of his life, doing things the old fashioned way; leaving, cleaving being the leader in his home and the bread winner. Then I see this. I have a whole new respect for the independent, freespirited, American Male.
Some would say that since it is a sociatal norm there, that it is normal, but it is having a negative effect on their society as a whole. The women have moved forward with the times. It seems their men, have refused to do so. I am curious what the long term effects will be.



Yes it may not a slam on American Men but on some men from another culture. There are many generalizations as "Their men refusal " and "the women have moved on.." to me sounds a black and white ways to see a foreigner culture. Iam pretty much sure there are strange behaviours going on in most cultures to foreigners minds.

I'm personaly not patriot regarding men, as there are "good" men from all cultures . But I sure do relate better with some cultures then others because of familiarity in some ways. Still when I compare US with others I do compare with 1ts world countries standards of efficience, education, and etcs and most of them are Europeans. But still as I look to US I see that although majority seems to be white Europeans descendents there are many other colors and cultures into this mix that has not much white European in them, but many others for sure.

The macho men express different depending on their cultures the are in, even when US Census call many people from different nations "Latinos" for exemple: a macho Mexican is not the same as a macho Portenho from Buenos Aires, Argentina . Well, for a culture that choose to call all Latinos to simplify what seems the same on their mind, it does not make any difference because they cannot or want not to see the differences in others peoples cultures. I sure dont like authentic machos men behaviours but very masculine gentlemen. Reggarding Italian women many are very feminine, who enjoys to take care of themselves very much so and gives high scores to elegance and appearances in my observations. As Italian men do appreciate their women very much so, as different nationality males and females do so in their own cultures.

I do think cultures are unique as peoples are uniques.




earthless -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 8:26:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: followtheLeader

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ORIGINAL: earthless

My comments remain/stand.. I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.

So the women these men marry, can look forward to; Slave labor, playing second fiddle to mama, having their sons in their home permanently, and feeling like they never measure up because no one can do anything as well as Mama.


Maybe I need to bold my disclaimer this time: I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.




Prairiehiker -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/13/2008 9:46:19 PM)

LOL. That's probably the last time Earthless will wander around in the Singles forum!

I saw one of the video. YOu know what, it could be cultural. My mom would love to just do everything for me...even iron my underwear if I let her, lol. I'm sure she'd do that for my brother, if he was still alive. Too often, men or women who lives with their parents helps their parents financially, or to look after them in some sort of way. When my brother lived my parents after his divorce, it wasn't because of financial issue. He was lonely, he had a little boy that lived with him, he was very vulnerable (got cheated on in worst possible way) and my parents needed another adult to look after them. So, you can say it's a fair trade.

Would I marry a guy who wanted me to do all those house chores for him....sure, as long as he takes care of my every whim, I'll do them gladly. LOL




WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/14/2008 12:08:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: followtheLeader

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthless

My comments remain/stand.. I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.

So the women these men marry, can look forward to; Slave labor, playing second fiddle to mama, having their sons in their home permanently, and feeling like they never measure up because no one can do anything as well as Mama.


Maybe I need to bold my disclaimer this time: I was not speaking of the video example which is a downright idiotic extreme.

Sorry, I thought it was all video with the exception of the intro paragraph.




WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/14/2008 12:27:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker

LOL. That's probably the last time Earthless will wander around in the Singles forum!

I saw one of the video. YOu know what, it could be cultural. My mom would love to just do everything for me...even iron my underwear if I let her, lol. I'm sure she'd do that for my brother, if he was still alive. Too often, men or women who lives with their parents helps their parents financially, or to look after them in some sort of way. When my brother lived my parents after his divorce, it wasn't because of financial issue. He was lonely, he had a little boy that lived with him, he was very vulnerable (got cheated on in worst possible way) and my parents needed another adult to look after them. So, you can say it's a fair trade.

Would I marry a guy who wanted me to do all those house chores for him....sure, as long as he takes care of my every whim, I'll do them gladly. LOL

All of what you say is true, about living with your parents at different times to help each other or for health issues. But these men have homes away from there parents and in all of the examples the parents seemed healthy and financially secure.
They are basically opting out of marriage because the Italian woman do not want to be the kind of wife their mothers were. They talk about the fact that very few children are being born as a result. They have a serious imbalance going on. Ireland has a similar issue of a "child shortage," but for different reasons.
Anyone who has read my posts knows I'm not a feminist. I just think these men are selfish and immature.
My mother-in-law moved to the US from Venice in 1949. She said that it is not strange that the son is still with his parents the only thing that has changed is he is not married. The wife would have moved in with her new husband and In-laws. Or lived in a house on the same property or very, very close. She said extended families often lived together.




John_O -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/14/2008 9:25:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: followtheLeader
They are basically opting out of marriage because the Italian woman do not want to be the kind of wife their mothers were. They talk about the fact that very few children are being born as a result. They have a serious imbalance going on. Ireland has a similar issue of a "child shortage," but for different reasons.


And here is the real problem. European culture is dying. In a generation, two at most, Europe as we know it will cease to exist. Welcome to Italistan, franckistan etc. The Europeans have to start having more babies or they will sink into a moslem dark ages that will hold them in slavery until the Lord comes back.

So these "Momma's boys" are not only neglecting thier wives (future wives?) but betraying their countries.

(Sorry, big soap box issue for me)




woodwind228 -> RE: Ultimate Mama's Boys (5/14/2008 9:41:18 AM)

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The wife would have moved in with her new husband and In-laws. Or lived in a house on the same property or very, very close. She said extended families often lived together.


That would drive me nuts! I love family and all, don't get me wrong, but I like my privacy too. I keep thinking of "Everybody Loves Raymond". I can't imagine living next to another Marie. ;) But if they respected my privacy and such, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to live next to them, but not with them unless there was a good reason. I dunno...maybe I'm weird like that.




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