Is it acceptable for Christians

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Sure! As long as you tithe and give offerings

0% (0)

Yes

2% (1)

No way!

97% (37)

Sometimes but only if you are thankful

0% (0)

Not sure

0% (0)

Total Votes : 38

(last vote on : 6/18/2008 1:40:13 PM)
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P31W -> Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:45:35 AM)
Is it acceptable for Christians to make money off of other people's ignorance, stupidity, poverty and desperation? Note: It's their poverty, desperation and ignorance that allows me to make the money....

earthless -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:47:22 AM)
Could you give us an example/scenario?

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:51:59 AM)
An old elderly widow woman has a gun collection that I know is worth tens of thousands of dollars. She is desperate to buy her heart medication TODAY. So I give her a $100.00 for the guns. _______ We are working out of town. I pay my employees but they are miles away from the bank and don't have a car. So I offer to cash their paycheck so they can go next door and get something to eat. I give them 75 dollars for each 100. cashed. ------------ My neighbor only has a 6th grade education. I loan him money at 25% interest rate and have him put up as collateral his automobile that is worth three times the amount of the loan. ________ Someone's child needs a kidney transplant and they are desperate to get up $100K for the operation. I offer to buy their business for pennies on the dollar. __________ My neighbor is a crackhead and needs a quick fix. I offer to give them $50.00 if they give to me ther wife's wedding and engagement rings. ------------ A stranger just found out he lost his job and his rent of $500.00 is past due. I tell him that if he gives me his paycheck ($400.00)..... then I will put up $4,0000. Then we will roll the dice. If the dice lands on snake eyes he can have ALL the money. If it rolls onto anything else I get all the money.

Memaw. -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:55:39 AM)
In that scenario, I say it is not acceptable. A Christian should just purchase her medicine for her. ETA-Oops, I didn't quite read all the scenarios...LOL We own a business and no, you don't charge to cash your employees paychecks. On the last one, you either charge a fair interest rate or ask for collateral (of equal value to the loan), not both. ETA-AGAIN You changed it..LOL I think it can be summed up by saying, do unto others as you would have them do to you.[:)]

lightshineon -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:59:09 AM)
They do it on TBN every day. Seriously. No, never cheat anyone, it is ill gotten gain or filthy luker.

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:05:30 AM)
quote: ETA-AGAIN You changed it..LOL ROFL, Yep I cannot help but think of thousands of legal ways to make money off of poor, ignorant and desperate people.

earthless -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:12:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W An old elderly widow woman has a gun collection that I know is worth tens of thousands of dollars. She is desperate to buy her heart medication TODAY. So I give her a $100.00 for the guns. Wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: P31W We are working out of town. I pay my employees but they are miles away from the bank and don't have a car. So I offer to cash their paycheck so they can go next door and get something to eat. I give them 75 dollars for each 100. cashed. Wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: P31W My neighbor only has a 6th grade education. I loan him money at 25% interest rate and have him put up as collateral his automobile that is worth three times the amount of the loan. Wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: P31W Someone's child needs a kidney transplant and they are desperate to get up $100K for the operation. I offer to buy their business for pennies on the dollar. Wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: P31W My neighbor is a crackhead and needs a quick fix. I offer to give them $50.00 if they give to me ther wife's wedding and engagement rings. Wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: P31W A stranger just found out he lost his job and his rent of $500.00 is past due. I tell him that if he gives me his paycheck ($400.00)..... then I will put up $4,0000. Then we will roll the dice. If the dice lands on snake eyes he can have ALL the money. If it rolls onto anything else I get all the money. Wrong. All wrong for a self-professing Christian to do. Notice my qualification......................

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:16:25 AM)
That which is not done in faith is a sin... John

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:18:37 AM)
quote: That which is not done in faith is a sin... John Ok John you are going to have to explain this to me. Do you mean if I don't feel guilty about it rather feel good then it's OK? But if I feel bad or guilty then it's wrong/sin?

earthless -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:19:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon They do it on TBN every day. Seriously. That's the sad truth....

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:22:04 AM)
Is it wrong for TBN if they do it in faith?

earthless -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:25:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W Is it wrong for TBN if they do it in faith? It is wrong regardless - and faith is only as valid as the object it is placed in. Many there preach a false Jesus and a false Gospel, so their faith is placed in error/lies. But let's not derail this thread, please..

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:28:38 AM)
quote: It is wrong regardless That is what I am trying to figure out and why I asked John the question.

SinnerSaved -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 10:53:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W Note: It's their poverty, desperation and ignorance that allows me to make the money.... The act of making money like this and the thought process above are both unacceptable! John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Random -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 11:28:17 AM)
Who are these "other people?" Christians?

JimboFletch -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 11:34:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthless quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon They do it on TBN every day. Seriously. That's the sad truth.... Tennessee Ernie Ford once, on Hee Haw, gave his biblical support for taking advantage of the ignorant and gullible, "I was a stranger and you took me in." [;)]

NewYork74 -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 11:43:41 AM)
You should give her the 100$ and take her collection and sell it for what its worth. Go to a gun show, and Im sure youll be able to get more money there. Keep 10% for your trouble, and give the lady the rest of the money. She is going to need medicine again. You should help her, not take her to the cleaners IMO.

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 11:43:50 AM)
quote: Who are these "other people?" Christians? Yes, But they prefer to use a middle man to help them so they won't get their hands dirty in the process. They don't want to know each individual story. They are only concerned with their own ability to afford to do this. Some situations are MUCH MORE desperate than the ones described above and some are no as bad. It does not matter however as long as you have a "middle" man do the dirty work and solitice their money.

NewYork74 -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 11:50:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W quote: Who are these "other people?" Christians? Yes, But they prefer to use a middle man to help them so they won't get their hands dirty in the process. They don't want to know each individual story. They are only concerned with their own ability to afford to do this. Some situations are MUCH MORE desperate than the ones described above and some are no as bad. It does not matter however as long as you have a "middle" man do the dirty work and solitice their money. The point is, you know, you are going to be taking advantage of a poor old lady. It is wickedness to do that IMO. I can tell you have a problem with this, otherwise you would not have posted it here. I hope you make the right decision[;)]

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 1:02:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W quote: That which is not done in faith is a sin... John Ok John you are going to have to explain this to me. Do you mean if I don't feel guilty about it rather feel good then it's OK? But if I feel bad or guilty then it's wrong/sin? How in faith can you take advantage of people? Nothing to do with feelings... John

Jhud -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 1:14:55 PM)
quote: Is it acceptable for Christians to make money off of other people's ignorance, stupidity, poverty and desperation? While I am personally against making money off such things, I am concerned that that applying such morality as a matter of law across the board would outlaw the existence of most law firms, insurance companies, gambling establishments, home based business schemes, most of the postings on eBay and Craigslist, as well as virtually every reality show, televangelist, and the Democratic Party platform, as well as Oprah herself. I don�t think our society could take the disruption.

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 1:19:09 PM)
Oh Jack. My dear why are you so gooood![:D] In the Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards thread. I believe 21 out of 34 said it was an acceptable activity for a Christian. The reasoning is because it's not their problem what the "other guys" problem is. They use the government as their "middle man". quote: The point is, you know, you are going to be taking advantage of a poor old lady. It is wickedness to do that IMO. I can tell you have a problem with this, otherwise you would not have posted it here. I hope you make the right decision I agree! Thats why I don't do these sorts of things even when it's legal and I have a middle man. quote: How in faith can you take advantage of people? Nothing to do with feelings... John I don't believe you can. Even when you use a middle man.

miasma -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 1:41:26 PM)
Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist: quote: An old elderly widow woman has a gun collection that I know is worth tens of thousands of dollars. She is desperate to buy her heart medication TODAY. So I give her a $100.00 for the guns. _______ We are working out of town. I pay my employees but they are miles away from the bank and don't have a car. So I offer to cash their paycheck so they can go next door and get something to eat. I give them 75 dollars for each 100. cashed. ------------ My neighbor only has a 6th grade education. I loan him money at 25% interest rate and have him put up as collateral his automobile that is worth three times the amount of the loan. ________ Someone's child needs a kidney transplant and they are desperate to get up $100K for the operation. I offer to buy their business for pennies on the dollar. __________ My neighbor is a crackhead and needs a quick fix. I offer to give them $50.00 if they give to me ther wife's wedding and engagement rings. ------------ A stranger just found out he lost his job and his rent of $500.00 is past due. I tell him that if he gives me his paycheck ($400.00)..... then I will put up $4,0000. Then we will roll the dice. If the dice lands on snake eyes he can have ALL the money. If it rolls onto anything else I get all the money. Those are all horrible ways to treat people. I could never even consider such behaviour. ETA: And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Luke 6: 31 Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 6: 38 ...what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Matthew 7: 7-11 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law... Matthew 7: 12

SonInMe1 -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/9/2008 9:43:11 PM)
quote: In the Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards thread. By your comments in that thread I figured this was gonna be the direction of this one. I agree the scenerios are wrong. However, the parable of talents suggests that those who act responsibly with the gifts given them will not only prosper from those responsible actions but the gifts given to those who do not act responsibly toward those gifts, will be given to those who do. You can make the point that in each scenerio the people being "taken advantage of" had been acting irresponsibly with their gifts and forfieted their "rights" to them. Now, I am saying you COULD make that arguement. I am not syaing I agree with it. I don't see any christian taking advantage of other's poor choices.

tenfour -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christians (5/11/2008 11:55:28 PM)
"Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to Me."

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