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lightshineon -> Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 9:16:54 AM)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-web-0507-guantanamomay08,0,2743601.story?track=rss

Wow, are innocent friends just murder people on release from Hotel Guantanamo. When are folks going to wake-up and realize these criminals have our and others destruction on their minds. This man should have never been released, but pressure to release these man, resulted in eternal damnation for him and the murder of others. Torture is not the theme of this post, so nobody get on that soapbox. I am so sick of that, besides plenty of that stuff going on in the Bush thread, so go there please, because I do not want to hear it, and not the subject of my post. I am wanting to know what you think of this issue and the pressure to release these people to be PC, resulting in the deaths of others? When these murders are mass released if some canidates get in office it is going to be worse than it ever has been. So what do you think? Again please do not torture me with your ant-torture views.[8|] This man was a criminal before entering the prison, and now his attorney is blaming the prison. Ok. how stupid are people? This man was a thug before arrest, and now we are blaming the US Goverment for his behavior, why not try his religon first?



iluvatar -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 9:30:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-web-0507-guantanamomay08,0,2743601.story?track=rss

This man was a criminal before entering the prison


On what do you base that?

-Dan.



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 10:07:02 AM)

Reading other news articles, and he was not imprisoned for no reason. Last I heard we have not rounded up every man from the middle east, and thrown them in prison. Why is it, the US is the evil one always? People forget 6 years ago so easily. It is like people are blinded to the fact, these people have our deaths on thier hearts and minds. The Bible tells us not to be ignorant of the devils devices and we are so tricked by the enemy.



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 10:08:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Reading other news articles, and he was not imprisoned for no reason. Last I heard we have not rounded up every man from the middle east, and thrown them in prison. Why is it, the US is the evil one always? People forget 6 years ago so easily. It is like people are blinded to the fact, these people have our deaths on thier hearts and minds. The Bible tells us not to be ignorant of the devils devices and we are so tricked by the enemy. We are now creating suicide bombers yeah.



rlj -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 12:43:28 PM)

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People forget 6 years ago so easily.


What happened 6 years ago? NCLB was passed? ; )



davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 12:52:19 PM)

OK, try 6 years, and nearly 8 months. Don't be so nit-picky!

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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People forget 6 years ago so easily.


What happened 6 years ago? NCLB was passed? ; )



davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 1:01:56 PM)

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 4:08:39 PM)

yes, In total agreement.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave



davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 4:21:08 PM)

I just wonder how many more former "detainees" are waiting for their chance to meet their 72 virgins. I certainly hope and pray there aren't that many.
-Dave

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

yes, In total agreement.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave




lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 4:30:36 PM)

Oh, you know it. When new admistration lets them out by massess, (depending who wins), it will be a bloodbath. I am wanting to see proof, where he was made into a suicide bomber. Notice everyone but you and I are not responding to this.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I just wonder how many more former "detainees" are waiting for their chance to meet their 72 virgins. I certainly hope and pray there aren't that many.
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

yes, In total agreement.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave





davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 7:51:54 PM)

Yes, I've noticed. I thought that some of our red-blooded people would be in here. But then, I don't think we need too much help on this topic, do you?
-Dave

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Oh, you know it. When new admistration lets them out by massess, (depending who wins), it will be a bloodbath. I am wanting to see proof, where he was made into a suicide bomber. Notice everyone but you and I are not responding to this.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I just wonder how many more former "detainees" are waiting for their chance to meet their 72 virgins. I certainly hope and pray there aren't that many.
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

yes, In total agreement.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave






lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/9/2008 8:15:20 PM)

I think it is called denial[;)]
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Yes, I've noticed. I thought that some of our red-blooded people would be in here. But then, I don't think we need too much help on this topic, do you?
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Oh, you know it. When new admistration lets them out by massess, (depending who wins), it will be a bloodbath. I am wanting to see proof, where he was made into a suicide bomber. Notice everyone but you and I are not responding to this.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I just wonder how many more former "detainees" are waiting for their chance to meet their 72 virgins. I certainly hope and pray there aren't that many.
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

yes, In total agreement.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave







davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 8:59:44 AM)

I think you have a point there.
-Dave

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

I think it is called denial[;)]
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Yes, I've noticed. I thought that some of our red-blooded people would be in here. But then, I don't think we need too much help on this topic, do you?
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Oh, you know it. When new admistration lets them out by massess, (depending who wins), it will be a bloodbath. I am wanting to see proof, where he was made into a suicide bomber. Notice everyone but you and I are not responding to this.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I just wonder how many more former "detainees" are waiting for their chance to meet their 72 virgins. I certainly hope and pray there aren't that many.
-Dave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon

yes, In total agreement.
quote:

ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Here is another case where the US has caved in to liberal world opinion and pressure. We released a bad guy and trusted our "friend" Kuwait to do their part. What do the Kuwaitis care? If the world had its way, Gitmo would be closed down and all the terrorists released. Then we could all just wait for another 9-11 attack. Have London and Madrid forgotten what happened in their countries?
-Dave








lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 9:08:06 AM)

You know Dave, people really just cannot see. I hope this man's arm was not broken praying, if that is so someone needs to be held accountable. Though a lot of propaganda is flying around, just for political correctness sake, These people are kind of like the devil in someways. I am talking about terrorist foreign or domestic. You do not make friends with them, they lie and scheme, and pretend to be humble. People do understand they want to kill us, and people in the United States just cannot understand that, it is like they have blinders on. I really fear for our nation, I am afraid we will not be the " United States of America" for much longer.



darren.beene -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 4:14:25 PM)

This here is just another case in point own why I say we shuld just go ahead an kill all them Moslems. Folks need to wake up and smell the truth that them folks is just waiting for they're chaince to kill us all, but whats gonna kill us is librul politcal correctness.



davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 8:40:25 PM)

I've wondered about being the United Sates of America, too....... The way some things are going, it's very possible we will self destruct, making it easy for outside forces to finish us off. Think about it....... we bow to foreign opinions, fail to prosecute terrorists and criminals, let some off because of minor technicalities, constantly have to fight for our Christian rights, kids in school are being fed tons of garbage while not being taught to read, write intelligently, do math, etc. So many of the politicians that are supposed to represent us have their own agendas and are corrupt. The morals of many are being trashed. The entertainment media is disgusting - can hardly find anything on tv worth watching......[:'(]

Other than that, everything is just peachy!![:)]

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

You know Dave, people really just cannot see. I hope this man's arm was not broken praying, if that is so someone needs to be held accountable. Though a lot of propaganda is flying around, just for political correctness sake, These people are kind of like the devil in someways. I am talking about terrorist foreign or domestic. You do not make friends with them, they lie and scheme, and pretend to be humble. People do understand they want to kill us, and people in the United States just cannot understand that, it is like they have blinders on. I really fear for our nation, I am afraid we will not be the " United States of America" for much longer.



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 10:20:08 PM)

Why do you want to kill all the muslim darren, have you sought professional help? That is not a good attitude, shame on you.[:'(] Dave, wow we thought we were harsh, darren. beene, needs more understanding of kindness (LOL) Dave, I wonder in all seriouness what has gotten us to this point, and can it be fixed?
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ORIGINAL: darren.beene

This here is just another case in point own why I say we shuld just go ahead an kill all them Moslems. Folks need to wake up and smell the truth that them folks is just waiting for they're chaince to kill us all, but whats gonna kill us is librul politcal correctness.



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 10:24:32 PM)

If we get another close call or even a terrorist attack then I do not think BO will get the white house. That is what pushed Bush ahead enough to win the second term.



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 10:32:44 PM)

Hi, Leslie I agree, in part, and I wonder what will happen to our nation as killers, terrorist, are released in massess. Obama, will not know how to handle it, they are his friends ( some of them are). Hillary might be so, so, and mr wooden eye McCain, would crack down. It could go either way if attacked agian. Bush has kept us safe so far, and if an attack happend, voters could say " see" we were right, The other thing that could be, is voters will say we want an experienced person. I am disturbed they will let these people go in large groups, and the blood bath, will be horrible.[:o]

Oh for those who are calling me a muslim hater, I just have just returned home from Middle daughter b-day party at my cousin ( once removed) Mohammeds resturaunt. I love him, he is so kind, I told him when his sixteen year son visited him this summer, I wanted him to come to my home, and get to know his cousins my daughters. " He smiled and said yes, please, he sets alone most of the time, I would like him to know his family also. MO was married to my first cousin, and I will take him places with my girls, the movies and such. I love MO, he is not a terrorist, a good man, who needs to know Jesus.
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ORIGINAL: Leslie35

If we get another close call or even a terrorist attack then I do not think BO will get the white house. That is what pushed Bush ahead enough to win the second term.



davemiller7 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 11:49:54 PM)

Lightshineon - As a nation, we have drifted away from the Lord. We have forgotten the principles this country was founded on. We are selling our liberty for some so-called peace and security and it is bringing us neither peace nor security. The only way, IMHO, we can straighten the mess out is by making a serious turn back to Christ and to the US Constitution (as it was written, not as liberals would like to interpret it. We pray daily for our country and that God will guide us and show us the way back to Him.

Many blessings to you and yours,

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Why do you want to kill all the muslim darren, have you sought professional help? That is not a good attitude, shame on you.[:'(] Dave, wow we thought we were harsh, darren. beene, needs more understanding of kindness (LOL) Dave, I wonder in all seriouness what has gotten us to this point, and can it be fixed?
quote:

ORIGINAL: darren.beene

This here is just another case in point own why I say we shuld just go ahead an kill all them Moslems. Folks need to wake up and smell the truth that them folks is just waiting for they're chaince to kill us all, but whats gonna kill us is librul politcal correctness.




lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/10/2008 11:53:50 PM)

I agree and may God bless you and your family also.[sm=angel.gif]



lightshineon -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/12/2008 11:28:55 PM)

Wondering why this post is ignored by my liberal friends. Does it not cause you concern, if not that is very disturbing to me.



henny -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/13/2008 12:10:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
This man should have never been released, but pressure to release these man, resulted in eternal damnation for him and the murder of others. Torture is not the theme of this post, so nobody get on that soapbox. I am so sick of that, besides plenty of that stuff going on in the Bush thread, so go there please, because I do not want to hear it, and not the subject of my post. I am wanting to know what you think of this issue and the pressure to release these people to be PC, resulting in the deaths of others?


What on earth does "PC" have to do with anything? The problems with Guantanamo have nothing to do with being politically correct or not, but rather with troubling legal issues (i.e. Like holding people without charge and without legal representation indefinitely -which is something people should be concerned about, liberal or conservative).

This guy's actions are a shame, but they really say nothing about the rightness or wrongness of some of the legal and ethical problems with Guantanamo. A former prisoner blowing some people up doesn't diminish the need for legal protections like "habeas corpus," etc, that the Bush administration was trying to get around with Guantanamo, and I actually think by trying to do things the way they did, they ended up shooting themselves in the feet and opening the door for situations like this bomber just because there was no way that they could legally try the detainees who ended up being real criminals (like this guy). So they created a situation in which the choice was either hold them indefinitely in limbo, or let them go (and the army did end up letting a bunch go, just because they really couldn't do anything with them).

Another basic problem with Guantanamo was that the army offered rewards in Afghanistan to encourage people to turn in suspected terrorists, so a lot of the people who ended up there were just people who other Afghans turned in because they had a grudge against them or because they wanted the reward money. So I think the army ended up creating a situation for itself where it really couldn't tell who were the "good" guys and who were the "bad" guys, nor could they prosecute the "bad" guys if it was needed.

I've mentioned this before, but "This American Life" did a really good show on Guantanamo a year or so ago. I'd recommend that anyone who's interested in it listen (it's free on the web). They go over some of the legal issues involved and also interview a few ex-detainees from the facility who were released.

Here's a link to the show and a description of it's contents:

http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=331



henny -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/13/2008 12:13:21 AM)

Here's a link to a transcript of the show as well, if anyone would rather read it:

http://www.thislife.org/extras/radio/310_transcript.pdf



wing2000 -> RE: Failing to protect those who can't protect themselves???????? (5/13/2008 1:18:30 AM)

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Reading other news articles, and he was not imprisoned for no reason. Last I heard we have not rounded up every man from the middle east, and thrown them in prison. Why is it, the US is the evil one always? People forget 6 years ago so easily. It is like people are blinded to the fact, these people have our deaths on thier hearts and minds. The Bible tells us not to be ignorant of the devils devices and we are so tricked by the enemy.


Is it PC to expect our country to live by the values on which it was founded?

Who would have thought our great country would lock people up -- without formally charging them -- for over five years?



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