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pbracing33b1 -> NASCAR 2008 (5/8/2008 4:40:50 PM)

What do you guys think about Kyle Busch this year?

I think that he needs to do a little growing up. I also think that he is driving over his head at times. Another thing is he really doesn't care about the other drivers, he run them over to try to win and thats not racing. Racing is when you can run side by side with some beat'n and bang'n but not to take the other guy out. And he has been doing alot of that this year.

So what is your guys take on this?




Bobby -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/10/2008 11:34:40 PM)

As a resident of the Clemson Prefecture of Japan, I can say dominant after he dropped an atomic bomb and the Americans surrendered. Tonight was a Florentine battle that led to our area becoming Japanese after the Americans surrendered.

Please stand for the National Anthem:

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Go24 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/12/2008 9:41:34 AM)

I think Kyle is the hottest thing going in NASCAR right now. And he's getting boo'd like no one's business for spinning Junior the other week ... which makes him the most interesting stories in NASCAR right now. If he keeps up this streak -- including his success in Nationwide and Truck -- he's going to end up being THE story for 2008.

I'm a Hendrick fan to the end, and they did a good thing in signing Junior, but from purely a talent standpoint, Gibbs got the better deal.

That being said, I think he still needs some off-track coaching. But then again, so does Tony, and that's clearly not anybody's priority (Gibbs' OR Tony's). So I imagine Kyle will continue to be Kyle, will burn up the track, win a bunch of races, and garner few fans.

Hmmm ... sounds like another Busch I know of.




mapachito13 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/14/2008 10:24:28 AM)

I apologize because I know that it'll rub you fans the wrong way but....

Why is NASCAR considered a "sport"?

Also, would you consider a driver an "athlete"? If so, why?




Go24 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/16/2008 9:27:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mapachito13

Why is NASCAR considered a "sport"?



That doesn't rub me the wrong way. It's been asked many times by people that don't know anything about it (and there's nothing wrong with that). NASCAR is a motorsport ... and and it's very much like any other "sport".

There's competition, strategy, athleticism, winning and losing,

There are governing bodies that establish and monitor the rules, officials that call the event.

There's a "season" that ends with playoffs and crowning a champion. There's the "off-season" & "pre-season".

There's an All-Star event that's just for fun, glory and doesn't officially count.

There are fantasy pools & Vegas odds.

There are heroes, villains & rivalries. Sometimes there are fights in the heat of the battle, followed by penalties -- fines or maybe suspensions.

There are teams & coaches, uniforms, & team logos & colors.

Players get cut/released for "lack of performance" by team owners & upper management "brass". There are contracts & contract extensions, and feuds between management & athlete. There are developmental programs, scouts, corporate sponsorship, marketing & branding.

There's a massive television contract.

There are massive, billion dollar venues to hold events at.

There's a massive, loyal, vocal fan-base. They'll spend a ton of money on tickets, travel, food & merchandise when attending an event. They tailgate like no one's business. They can spend good amounts of time during the event standing, cheering, booing & holding their breath due to the action in front of them. They consume hot dogs, burgers, soda, beer, popcorn, nachos, ice cream during the event. It's a highlight event for a fan to take their child to their first event, and to see their young eyes light up in amazement at everything they're seeing.

What else do you need to determines whether or not it's a "sport"? Yeah ... there's no BALL. Can we make peace with that? *L*

quote:

ORIGINAL: mapachito13

Also, would you consider a driver an "athlete"? If so, why?



Absolutely. The sheer amount of endurance needed to survive (and not lose one ounce of concentration or stamina) for 4 hours with the heat and G-forces they encounter requires athletic conditioning. Sure, some are more "in shape" than others, just like in any other sport, but drivers go through the same sort of training regimen that any other athlete does -- maybe different than that of a football player, swimmer, runner, etc. ... but they don't just sit around on the couch drinking Budweisers all week long, then get up and strap into a stock car.

Seriously, I got to drive a stock car around Pocono Raceway a few years back, and before driving myself, I did a "ride along" with an instructor. Right after taking off from pit road and going into turn 1 (not even at full speed), the G-forces felt like they were throwing me out the window. I couldn't imagine doing that for 3/4 turns a lap for 4 hours straight ... and, oh yeah, maneuvering the car and trying to win at the same time! I'm no professional athlete but played community, high school & college sports ... and that was downright tough.




mapachito13 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/17/2008 3:34:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Go24

That doesn't rub me the wrong way. It's been asked many times by people that don't know anything about it (and there's nothing wrong with that). NASCAR is a motorsport ... and and it's very much like any other "sport".

There's competition, strategy, athleticism, winning and losing,

There are governing bodies that establish and monitor the rules, officials that call the event.

There's a "season" that ends with playoffs and crowning a champion. There's the "off-season" & "pre-season".

There's an All-Star event that's just for fun, glory and doesn't officially count.

There are fantasy pools & Vegas odds.

There are heroes, villains & rivalries. Sometimes there are fights in the heat of the battle, followed by penalties -- fines or maybe suspensions.

There are teams & coaches, uniforms, & team logos & colors.

Players get cut/released for "lack of performance" by team owners & upper management "brass". There are contracts & contract extensions, and feuds between management & athlete. There are developmental programs, scouts, corporate sponsorship, marketing & branding.

There's a massive television contract.

There are massive, billion dollar venues to hold events at.

There's a massive, loyal, vocal fan-base. They'll spend a ton of money on tickets, travel, food & merchandise when attending an event. They tailgate like no one's business. They can spend good amounts of time during the event standing, cheering, booing & holding their breath due to the action in front of them. They consume hot dogs, burgers, soda, beer, popcorn, nachos, ice cream during the event. It's a highlight event for a fan to take their child to their first event, and to see their young eyes light up in amazement at everything they're seeing.

What else do you need to determines whether or not it's a "sport"? Yeah ... there's no BALL. Can we make peace with that? *L*

quote:

ORIGINAL: mapachito13

Also, would you consider a driver an "athlete"? If so, why?



Absolutely. The sheer amount of endurance needed to survive (and not lose one ounce of concentration or stamina) for 4 hours with the heat and G-forces they encounter requires athletic conditioning. Sure, some are more "in shape" than others, just like in any other sport, but drivers go through the same sort of training regimen that any other athlete does -- maybe different than that of a football player, swimmer, runner, etc. ... but they don't just sit around on the couch drinking Budweisers all week long, then get up and strap into a stock car.

Seriously, I got to drive a stock car around Pocono Raceway a few years back, and before driving myself, I did a "ride along" with an instructor. Right after taking off from pit road and going into turn 1 (not even at full speed), the G-forces felt like they were throwing me out the window. I couldn't imagine doing that for 3/4 turns a lap for 4 hours straight ... and, oh yeah, maneuvering the car and trying to win at the same time! I'm no professional athlete but played community, high school & college sports ... and that was downright tough.


I agree with the descriptions you put forth in 99% of your post but athleticism? I don't see that. If sweating behind the wheel of a car for a few hours is an athlete, then millions of drivers on LA freeways during the summer are athletes. But irregarless of my personal feelings toward it you put forth the best case I ever heard (read) and I thank you for it.




Go24 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (5/18/2008 12:16:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mapachito13

I agree with the descriptions you put forth in 99% of your post but athleticism? I don't see that. If sweating behind the wheel of a car for a few hours is an athlete, then millions of drivers on LA freeways during the summer are athletes.


*L* I understand your viewpoint ... I guess it all comes down to your personal definition of what makes one an "athlete". But thanks for the kind words. =)




Bobby -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (6/1/2008 10:22:46 PM)

Halfway through the regular season . . .

I don't see Gordon or Junior winning this year. The entire Chevrolet camp is out to lunch. Skunked from the majors for the first time since 1982, failed to put a Bowtie on a podium in the majors, and unable to do anything.

It seems it will be a Ford vs Toyota showdown, and I expect to be singing the Kimiyago at the end of the year as we raise the Hinomaru and everyone salutes our flag and National Anthem.

君が代は
千代に八千代に
さざれ石の
いわおとなりて
こけのむすまで




RHardin15 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (6/2/2008 1:20:14 PM)

I think you're crazy to say you don't see Junior or Gordon winning this year... I predict at least 4 wins combined by the end of the year out of those two. Junior has run well almost every week. Gordon seems like he's starting to get back on track. The way Johnson always is at the end of the year, that might keep the 24 and 88 out of victory lane a few times, but I have no doubt that we'll see both of them in victory lane before the season is over.




Go24 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (6/3/2008 8:57:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RHardin15

I think you're crazy to say you don't see Junior or Gordon winning this year...


I'm with you, RHardin15 -- Junior's been solid all year (and won the Shootout and Duel), and Jeff has put together Top 5 finishes when the car WASN'T great.

That entire previous post made no sense, so .... ???




Bobby -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (6/5/2008 10:31:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Go24

quote:

ORIGINAL: RHardin15

I think you're crazy to say you don't see Junior or Gordon winning this year...


I'm with you, RHardin15 -- Junior's been solid all year (and won the Shootout and Duel), and Jeff has put together Top 5 finishes when the car WASN'T great.

That entire previous post made no sense, so .... ???


The problem it seems is the R07 (Chevrolet engine) is already outclassed as the new Roush Ford and Gibbs Toyota powerplants and cars have outclassed anything Hendrick has to offer this year. Even Richard Childress has 2 of the 3 Chevrolet wins, and all of them are on tracks 1 mile or shorter. Toyota and Ford have dominated the races this year, and Dodge is coming right into the club. Hendrick last year ran most of their races with the older engine. Maybe the R07 was an error itself.

Pocono should be fun, but I do think some COT changes should be made -- allow stock hood, roof, nose, and tail pieces -- none of the shifted bodies that became popular with the Ford Taurus ten years ago. If it wasn't for Ford's politicking with the Taurus with the assymetrical body trends, then none of the body abuse would have happened.




RHardin15 -> RE: NASCAR 2008 (6/6/2008 8:25:54 AM)

I think the power difference is there for sure. Until Chevy gets something new approved to help them out, they are definately going to struggle.

However, I don't think the power difference is huge. I knew the Toyota engine package was more powerful when it came out. I don't believe that Ford and Dodge are much more powerful than Chevy's engine right now. Ford may be slightly, and if Dodge is, they seem to be paying for it in fuel mileage.

I think Hendrick will find a way to push more out of what they have before the end of the year, because they don't have much of a choice.




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