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Beck34 -> Weight loss (5/8/2008 2:53:35 AM)

Have you lost weight recently? How did you do it. I have lost about 100 pounds, but I can't seem to tighten up my skin so that I look normal. Any suggestions? I really don't want to resort to surgury because I am still losing weight.



McFatty -> RE: Weight loss (5/9/2008 3:10:46 AM)

I've lost forty in the past several months. I need to lose more. Whatever I am doing has stopped working 'cause I haven't lost a thing in about 2 months now.



miasma -> RE: Weight loss (5/9/2008 1:22:10 PM)

Eating as vegan and raw as I can.

I'm pretty sure that surgery is the only thing you can do about excess skin, leftover from weightloss. But keep going, until you reach where you want to be, and then start looking into it. One thing at a time!



Beck34 -> RE: Weight loss (5/12/2008 9:26:52 AM)

I have lost about 60 pounds. I still have about 50 more to go before I am where the doctor wants meat. I am on a diet because of my diabetes, but I am having a hard time finding a diet program specific to my needs. Any suggestions?



JimboFletch -> RE: Weight loss (5/12/2008 9:34:07 AM)

Try:
All Forums >> [Fun] >> Health & Fitness >>

There are several threds over there, including one by a diabetic.

That said, I would have thought your doctor would have given you some good guidelines. Miasma's suggestion, though extreme, has to be an excellent way to lose and remain healthy if you are willing to go meatless. But low-carb lifestyles like the ones suggested by Southbeach or Adkins also should be a good fit.



miasma -> RE: Weight loss (5/12/2008 11:28:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Beck34

I have lost about 60 pounds. I still have about 50 more to go before I am where the doctor wants meat. I am on a diet because of my diabetes, but I am having a hard time finding a diet program specific to my needs. Any suggestions?


- Forget about trying to get back to meat, and focus on eating RIGHT and being healthy.

What are your "needs?" Here's some cookbooks.

What are you struggling with? What are you missing, that you can't eat anymore?

- Don't focus solely on what's going in your mouth, as a way to lose weight - and don't rely on numbers on a scale, to determine how fit you are. Swapping out fat for muscle doesn't necessarily mean a drop in numbers.

- Stay regular. What's er, going out of your body is as important as what you're taking in. And, if you're taking in all the right foods, then you'll be helping your body keep getting rid of what it doesn't ah, need.

- Some people have experienced weightloss by drinking apple cider vinegar each day. It has other benefits, as well. There's a thread on it in the Health and Fitness forum Jimbo mentioned.



April75 -> RE: Weight loss (5/12/2008 11:59:38 AM)

How did you lose the weight? How long did it take you? If you lost rapidly then sometimes you may have more lose skin.

I was looking on Beachbody.com and I see where others have lost a lot of weight and from the pictures I can't seem to see much lose skin.

I was wondering if building muscle may help.

I have lost some weight and have about 40 more lbs to go and I'm hoping some of the programs with help with losing more as well as lose skin.



Beck34 -> RE: Weight loss (5/14/2008 12:25:08 PM)

I have lost it in the past six months. My doctor has suggested joining a gym so that a trainer can help me with the issue of excess skin. Part of th problem that I am having is that I am so tired of the same thing over and over again. I am gong to check with the doctor about the south beach diet. I have heard of it, but I really don't know at much about it. Mabe that will be a little easier for me to manage. Partof the loose skin isse has to do with the morbid obesity that I faced when I was younger. At one time, I weighed over 400 pounds. Weight loss is just so much harder this time because of my diabetes.



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/14/2008 12:51:32 PM)

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Forget about trying to get back to meat, and focus on eating RIGHT and being healthy.
I think that's a typo and should have read 'me at'[;)].

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Partof the loose skin isse has to do with the morbid obesity that I faced when I was younger.
You may always have excess skin that doesn't disappear. When we are obese, our skin stretches. Sometimes it never goes back to 'normal'.

However, we can do things to help our bodies tone up and look better and one of those is exercise ~ especially things similar to yoga, tai chi, etc.

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Part of th problem that I am having is that I am so tired of the same thing over and over again.
Do you enjoy cooking? If so get down to the library and check out cook books. Many now willl have nutritional information in them. I've recently started to get back into cooking and have got a lot of low gi cookbooks out of the library. The gi 'diet' has 'borrowed' a lot from diets that diabetics follow ~ but there are others you can try ~ as I say, take a wander down to the library and look through the cook books and healthy eating books. Not to follow the diets, but to get recipes for yourself.

I do think that your doctor should consider refering you to a dietitian if you're struggling to lose weight and deal with your diabetes. Other health issues can be really frustrating when we're trying to lose weight. Doctors can be great for many things, but their field of expertise isn't necessarily the best way to loose weight.

You sound as though you've done really well to lose the weight that you have. Congratulations[:D]



Beck34 -> RE: Weight loss (5/15/2008 3:23:57 AM)

Thanks for the information. I have been so busy trying to eat right that I never thought about cooking. My schedule is hectic, but I will try your suggestions. Do you know if insurance will cover the cost of a dietician?



miasma -> RE: Weight loss (5/15/2008 9:32:48 AM)

Be physical all day long. Park far away from where you're going. Always take the stairs. Do plies, squats, toe raises, etc. while you're on the phone, washing dishes, brushing your hair. Be deliberate in your movements, take stairs slowly, and two at a time. Squat to pick up stuff, or reach slowly (stretching) to grab things. You can do "butt crunches" any time you're sitting, and work your abs anytime by just contracting them.



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/15/2008 1:01:04 PM)

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Do you know if insurance will cover the cost of a dietician?
I live in the UK so don't have to worry about insurance but from what I've read in other threads, insurance can cover the cost of a dietitian.



DustyLady -> RE: Weight loss (5/17/2008 1:13:46 PM)

Congrats to you for losing the weight you have already. I have just about given up trying to find a way to lose weight; every time I do, I end up either failing entirely or doing serious physical harm to my body. (And, yes, I've consulted more doctors than I can remember. I also had my stomach stapled. Didn't work.)

Oh, well. Good luck in your efforts.

Dusty



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/17/2008 3:40:43 PM)

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I've consulted more doctors than I can remember
As I said, doctors are not always the best people to speak to regarding weight loss.

Dusty, I am sorry that you've had such difficulties in losing weight.



Beck34 -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 3:15:39 AM)

Part of the problem with losing weigt is dealing with an addiction to food. My councelor is helping me through this process. I know that sounds crazy, but I always reach for food when stressed. It always makes me feel better, but Iknow I have to understand what triggers it in order to deal with the problem. Anyone else working on issues like that?



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 4:49:35 AM)

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I know that sounds crazy, but I always reach for food when stressed.
It's not crazy, a lot of people do it.

It takes time to work through any issues we have with food. Good for you for recognising and talking to someone about it.



DustyLady -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 7:01:04 AM)

My problem is that I have a really screwed-up metabolism. Almost every system of my body is out of whack. And, yet, I see a lot of people around me who have some of the same problems.

Why do you think that 95% of the people who lose a significant amount of weight gain it all back? And the answer is not "you have to change your lifestyle." I don't see any doctors trying to figure that one out.

Dusty



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 1:22:03 PM)

Dusty ~ my metabolism is messed up too. I know that eating regularly will help get it back to normal, but it does take time ~ and it's frustrating when I slide back into old habits of not getting round to eating regularly and mess things up again.

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Why do you think that 95% of the people who lose a significant amount of weight gain it all back? And the answer is not "you have to change your lifestyle." I don't see any doctors trying to figure that one out.
Most people who lose weight go on a diet and start exercising. As soon as they are at their desired weight, they will often stop dieting, stop exercising and so gain the weight back.

One of the biggest, if not the biggest, industries in the world today is diets. You could spend years switching from diet to diet and losing and gaining weight and becoming disillusioned with each diet when it doesn't work (and the more times you lose/gain weight, the harder it becomes to lose it again).

Barring underlying medical conditions (hypothyroidism, diabeties, eating disorders etc) the thing that people need to do is look at what they eat. There are room for eating 'treats', as long as it's not all the time (some suggest an 80/20 rule where 80% of the time you eat healthily and occassionally you allow yourself 20% of treats). But IMO, treats don't need to be unhealthy ~ but you do need to look very carefully over what you're treating yourself to.

People do need to change their lifestyle for life. Some, not all, may need some sort of therapy to deal with issues they have about food (and this is something that is not always obvious).

Anyone needing to lose weight needs first to see a doctor to rule out any underlying health conditions. Then they need to see either a dietitian and/or a therapist together with working out a suitable exercise regime for themselves (doesn't have to be much to begin with) for help and guidance on what they eat.



DustyLady -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 6:01:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agapetos

Dusty ~ my metabolism is messed up too. I know that eating regularly will help get it back to normal, but it does take time ~ and it's frustrating when I slide back into old habits of not getting round to eating regularly and mess things up again.


My metabolism has been messed up for all of my 49 years. I have yet to find the right formula to get it regulated; I've tried about every system out there and they not only don't regulate me but get me screwed up even more. I'm including things like Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Nutri-System, and so on.

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One of the biggest, if not the biggest, industries in the world today is diets. You could spend years switching from diet to diet and losing and gaining weight and becoming disillusioned with each diet when it doesn't work (and the more times you lose/gain weight, the harder it becomes to lose it again).


This is one of the big problems I have with the weight-loss/diet industry. If the diets worked for people in the first place, they wouldn't become disillusioned with them and quit.

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Barring underlying medical conditions (hypothyroidism, diabeties, eating disorders etc) the thing that people need to do is look at what they eat. There are room for eating 'treats', as long as it's not all the time (some suggest an 80/20 rule where 80% of the time you eat healthily and occassionally you allow yourself 20% of treats). But IMO, treats don't need to be unhealthy ~ but you do need to look very carefully over what you're treating yourself to.


I'm intermittently hyperthyroid, insulin resistant (NOT diabetic, have high blood pressure, and have a lot of other characteristics common to PCOS and Metabolic Syndrome. I also have a permanently damaged heart (rhythm disorder), brought on by a diet prescribed by my doctor. When I went on Nutri-System, I had abdominal pains so severe my doctor wanted to take out my gall bladder; when I went off the diet, the pains stopped. I could go on, but I won't. I didn't have any of these problems until my mother drove me to my first TOPS meeting when I was 11 years old. I've been to dieticians and doctors, and none of them can figure out how to help me. And, I've learned that there are many others like me.

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People do need to change their lifestyle for life. Some, not all, may need some sort of therapy to deal with issues they have about food (and this is something that is not always obvious).


And sometimes lifestyle changes don't work. Sometimes therapy doesn't work.

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Anyone needing to lose weight needs first to see a doctor to rule out any underlying health conditions. Then they need to see either a dietitian and/or a therapist together with working out a suitable exercise regime for themselves (doesn't have to be much to begin with) for help and guidance on what they eat.


I've seen doctors. I've found out about a whole lot of underlying health conditions that I didn't have before I started trying to lose weight. I've seen dieticians and therapists. I do have trouble exercising because I'm in a wheelchair. (Osteoarthritis due, or so the doctors say, to my weight. fancy that!)

I get really irritated when I hear people talking about obesity like it's all the fault of the person, or that they just haven't found the right diet/exercise program, or that they need to see another doctor or another therapist or dietician. Perhaps they should be figuring out why a lot of people don't respond to these approaches.

Thanks for the input, though.

Dusty



agapetos -> RE: Weight loss (5/19/2008 6:38:22 PM)

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I get really irritated when I hear people talking about obesity like it's all the fault of the person, or that they just haven't found the right diet/exercise program, or that they need to see another doctor or another therapist or dietician. Perhaps they should be figuring out why a lot of people don't respond to these approaches.
I very rarely blame the individual for their problems. I frequently blame society. I didn't really catch the news tonight but a clip of what I did see was regarding Sarah Ferguson, talking about her 19yo daughter. There's an article here about it. Included in the blame our peers who feel the need to lose weight now and, often without realising, will affect the way someone else feels about their body.

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I didn't have any of these problems until my mother drove me to my first TOPS meeting when I was 11 years old.
I don't know what TOPS is.

One of the big problems with being obese is that it can adversly affect our health, for life. Losing weight in some ways can also affect our health. There are many things that I would not have done if I'd realised the long-term problems that I would have because of losing weight.

I don't know if my metabolism will ever get back to normal. I do know that there are things that I can do to help myself though and I am working towards doing them ~ eating regularly, eating healthily etc. I may never lose the weight that I need to, but I believe that it's more important that I do the best I can to take care of myself by eating right ~ and this in no way means by dieting (unless it's classed as a healthy-lifestyle diet). For me, that's eating at least 3 regular meals a day (though I do better on 3 smaller meals and some 'snacks') and eating plenty of fruit and veg and cutting back on refined foods.



DustyLady -> RE: Weight loss (5/20/2008 7:14:33 AM)

TOPS -- Taking Off Pounds Sensibly. It's a national organization, that apparently is still around 38 years after I attended meetings.

One of the things that I've found, when doing research into Metabolic Syndrome, is that one current theory holds that it is an auto-immune disorder. What's intersting to me is that my grandmother had rheumatoid arthritis, and my mother has Crohn's disease, both auto-immune disorders. So, that makes me wonder if there's a genetic component. It's been long proven that diabetes can be genetic.

There's also a big debate, in the medical community, about whether metabolic problems cause obesity, or whether they are the result of it. I know that I had symptoms of PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) from the time I first started having my periods, long before I became obese. And yet, there are doctors who claim that PCOS, Metabolic Sydrome, and insulin resistance are due to obesity. This just shows me that more research needs to be done on the subject.

What really scares me is all of the attention that is being given to obesity in children. I know, from my own personal experience, how dangerous it is to make these children focus on their weight as the measure of whether they are acceptable to our society. For goodness sake, they have to deal with enough teasing at school. Why force them to go on diet after diet, and become obsessive about exercise, and develop in them attitudes that are not at all healthy?

I certainly think that eating sensibly is something that we all should do. But to drive ourselves crazy trying to live up to some insurance company chart, or to help some doctor sell copies of his new book, is just plain crazy in my opinion.

Dusty



Beck34 -> RE: Weight loss (5/23/2008 2:42:34 AM)

I applaud all fo you for your insights. For those of you having health issues, I will pray for you. My therapist is helping me to deal with how I feel about how I look. She tells me that I should learn that the weight doesn't matter so much as how you feel about yourself we you look in the mirror. I want you all to know that I think you are beautiful regaurdless of how much you weigh. I tell that to my daughter all of the time, and we really don't talk about the struggles that I have because I want them to grow up confident in themselves regaurdless of how they look. I am beautiful because of the person I am inside. My husband tells me this every time I start to feel bad about the way that I look.
I do have a question. Does anyone know of any foundations that are dedicated to the study of the disorders mentioned? I would really like to help those of you who need it if I can.



DustyLady -> RE: Weight loss (5/23/2008 9:36:49 PM)

http://www.pcosupport.org/

Many larger hospitals or teaching hospitals will have centers devoted to female/endocrine disorders and obesity research.

And thanks.

Dusty



csl7037 -> RE: Weight loss (5/25/2008 8:53:09 AM)

You can find a million social, emotional, and physical reasons why you "can't" lose weight or why metabolism is messed up. Metabolism doesn't get messed up as much as it gets neglected. The only way to increase metabolism is to build muscle. Restrictive diets with no focus on building and retaining muscle will destroy metabolism. In general terms, metabolism breaks down to this (skip to *this point if you want the short answer! [;)])...

Your basal metabolic rate (BMR) simply means the amount of energy used by your body during a 24-hour period if no activity is performed. In other words, if you're inactive for 24-hours straight, you'd still "burn" the amount of calories equivalent to your BMR.

Your BMR is a function of your size, sex, and age. It's also influenced by your metabolic status (hypo or hyperthyroid state for example). We can calculate BMR with the following formulas (by Harris-Benedict):

For Men
BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age)
BMR = calories needed per day

For Women
BMR = 655 + (9.6 x weight in kg) + (1.7 x height in cm) - (4.7 x age)
BMR = calories needed per day

Then factor in activity level: be honest, be reasonable, and underestimate!

BMRx1.0 if you are Sedentary
BMRx1.2 if you are Very lightly active
BMRx1.4 if you are Lightly active
BMRx1.6 if you are Moderately active
BMRx1.8 if you are Highly active
BMRx2.0 if you are Extremely active

To lose fat, take that number and subtract 10-20% for the daily calorie goal. *But a simpler rule of thumb is to lose weight, you need to consume 8-10x your bodweight in calories/day. For example a 175 pound person should shoot for 1400 to 1750 calories/day. One way to avoid a plateau, is to "cycle" those numbers: maybe 1400-1500 on off days and 1700-1800 on workout days (for me, this means burning 500 cal+ on my heart rate monitor). I like a middle level for moderate workout days too - maybe 1500-1600 (on days I get about 300 calories burned on my HRM).

But all calories aren't created equal. My problem with WW, for example, is I learned how to eat 19 points in a day and it all be junk food. I just read an article last night that said "if you can't grow it or shoot it, don't eat it". And possibly the most important factor - PROTEIN. To build muscle, which you must do, you've got to be doing real workouts (girls, put down the 5 pounders!) and consume 1.5x your bodyweigt in protein (in grams)! And then 40-50% of your calories should come from protein with the rest equally split between carbs and fat. Later, you could play around with the carbs and fat but get the protein established first. Fitday.com is a great way to track calories and see those percentages.

What I've laid out is tried and true; it's similar to South Beach or "Body for Life" (which also lays out a fantastic workout for a beginner but it's a pretty big commitment - but it works!). But a program isn't the answer. The key is learning what works and why so that it becomes a learned behavior not just a list of rules from some program. If you wont take the time to learn, you wont take the time to make the changes.

And BTW, the poster that said muscle is the key to "skin" problems is 100% right. I'm not sure I've ever seen a person who's truly conquered the body fat with an issue of loose skin. It sometimes takes a little time. But the reality is, the skin's not the problem, it's the fat underneath - skinny people with no muscle still have fat underneath! When you start losing, it looks worse before it looks better for sure! But, with time and conistency, it fixes itself. Surgery is not the only answer. I hear that all the time and it makes me nuts!! It's really not an answer at all - "easy come, easy go" - money down the drain if you don't have the discipline and understanding to maintain it.



csl7037 -> RE: Weight loss (5/25/2008 8:54:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: McFatty

I've lost forty in the past several months. I need to lose more. Whatever I am doing has stopped working 'cause I haven't lost a thing in about 2 months now.


So what are you doing?



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