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thelouise -> Signs in the Sky (5/7/2008 8:58:56 AM)
A few weeks back I became interested in whether the eclipses that have happened could mean something more biblically. Recently I found some articles that have found that in 2014/2015 there will be 4 blood red moons all falling on Passover or Sukkot. There are also 2 solar eclipses, one falling on Rosh Hashanah and the other the beginning of the civil year. The last time there were 4 blood red moons that fell on Passover and Sukkot were in 1967/1968 and right after Israel became a nation in 1949/1950. There is far more information that I can't remember right now but the interview was with a Messianic Pastor Mark Blitz and you can see the video of the interview here: Prophecy in the News There is also a WND article, excerpt and link following: Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015? © 2008 WorldNetDaily Will Jesus Christ return to Earth in the year 2015? And can studying NASA's website provide evidence for such a scenario? A minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days seven years from now could herald what's come to be known as the "Second Coming" of Jesus. "God wants us to look at the biblical calendar," says Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash. "The reason we need to be watching is [because] He will signal His appearance. But we have to know what to be watching as well. So we need to be watching the biblical holidays." In a video interview on the Prophecy in the News website, Biltz said he's been studying prophecies that focus on the sun and moon, even going back to the book of Genesis where it states the lights in the sky would be "be for signs, and for seasons." "It means a signal, kind of like 'one if by land, two if by sea.' It's like God wants to signal us," he said. "The Hebrew word implies ... not only is it a signal, but it's a signal for coming or His appearing." story continues.... WND Blood moon eclipses Louise

JimboFletch -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 9:05:05 AM)
Attempts at date setting, even just to a year, is evidence that one has become over-balanced in the area of eschatology and that they need to spend more time studying how to be more Christ-like NOW. We haven't been called to gaze at the sky (some in the early Church were rebuked by an angel for doing just that) but to be about the Master's business - speading the Good News of Jesus Christ and making disciples. Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness while the harvest is white unto harvest and while jobs of Christian service goes lacking.

vixir -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 10:34:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness I take offense to that! I'm very interested in the signs of todays world concerning the End Times. But I'm not at all idolizing these events. I just wanna make sure I'm as prepared as possible. Although I'm sure some things would come as a surprise to me, I wanna eliminate the possibility of these events becoming a shock to me... if I could. But like I said... I don't idolize the end times. However, I do agree that the energy that's being put into these studies, can be directed towards teaching people about Christ.

JimboFletch -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 10:44:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vixir quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness I take offense to that! I'm very interested in the signs of todays world concerning the End Times. But I'm not at all idolizing these events. I just wanna make sure I'm as prepared as possible. Although I'm sure some things would come as a surprise to me, I wanna eliminate the possibility of these events becoming a shock to me... if I could. But like I said... I don't idolize the end times. However, I do agree that the energy that's being put into these studies, can be directed towards teaching people about Christ. I apologize for offending you. IMHO, being born again, deeply in love with and sincerely wanting to please Jesus, and studying all of scripture to learn what He would have me concerned about IS being as prepared as possible. Obsession with any number of things can be a form of busy-ness that produces little or no fruit. I speak as one who spent a good number of years engrossed in eschatology that yielded little else for the Lord's kingdom work.

MrFribbles -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 3:01:42 PM)
quote: Obsession with any number of things can be a form of busy-ness that produces little or no fruit. I speak as one who spent a good number of years engrossed in eschatology that yielded little else for the Lord's kingdom work. Indeed. It's difficult for me, as a Bible college student (and one who just finished a class on Eschatology and Revelation to boot) to keep things in perspective. I find myself constantly asking if the intellectual depths I'm plumbing will have any practical benefit that will add to the glory of God. And while I do enjoy pondering certain subjects, I sometimes have to take a step back and remind myself that our primary purpose here should be loving God and loving others, not making sure every aspect of our belief system is in perfect order. All that to say, I think it is folly to spend more time trying to name a date (or a month, or a year) than we spend out showing the world God's love through our actions. Anyway, Christ says He will be coming like a thief in the night, and we will not know when His return will happen. I agree that the best way to be prepared is not through trying to figure out the "when," but focusing on living out the "how" - that is, how we want to be living when He does return.

WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 4:14:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vixir quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness I take offense to that! I'm very interested in the signs of todays world concerning the End Times. But I'm not at all idolizing these events. Uhm . . . idleness does not equate to idolatry; they are words with 2 completely different meanings.

JimboFletch -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 4:18:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings quote: ORIGINAL: vixir quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness I take offense to that! I'm very interested in the signs of todays world concerning the End Times. But I'm not at all idolizing these events. Uhm . . . idleness does not equate to idolatry; they are words with 2 completely different meanings. I didn't even catch that misreading of my comment. Thanks for clearing it up. [:D] I once had someone in a forum get very irritated for saying they belonged to a cult (JW). This went on for a period of time until I figured out they thought "cult" and "occult" were the same thing. Once we got past that misunderstanding, they weren't long in leaving the cult and getting saved.

thelouise -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 4:40:45 PM)
quote: Attempts at date setting, even just to a year, is evidence that one has become over-balanced in the area of eschatology and that they need to spend more time studying how to be more Christ-like NOW. We haven't been called to gaze at the sky (some in the early Church were rebuked by an angel for doing just that) but to be about the Master's business - speading the Good News of Jesus Christ and making disciples. Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness while the harvest is white unto harvest and while jobs of Christian service goes lacking. If you watch the video or read the entire article it's not something this person is obsessive about— it's something he discovered, just recently. A God led discovery— and I've been led on these and they are pretty cool. I think this is pretty cool too and that's why I posted it. I would also say this gentleman isn't idle since he has a congregation of 200 and had a Passover Seder in the Tacoma dome for 600! Louise

JimboFletch -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 4:47:20 PM)
quote: A God led discovery... Ahh, we should just accept that at face value and run with it? quote: I would also say this gentleman isn't idle since he has a congregation of 200 and had a Passover Seder in the Tacoma dome for 600! Never confused busy-ness with working or working effectively. Some of the busiest "ministries" in the country wouldn't recognize a leading from Jesus if He delivered it in person. BTW, if you click on your link, it doesn't work. Try it and see. [;)]

WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 4:58:22 PM)
. . . I got interrupted with my posting a while ago (neighbor came over for a few minutes). Anyway, Jimbo you're welcomed. [:D] And I also wanted to say that I very much agree with your and Mr. Fribbles' posts.

vixir -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 5:38:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings quote: ORIGINAL: vixir quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness I take offense to that! I'm very interested in the signs of todays world concerning the End Times. But I'm not at all idolizing these events. Uhm . . . idleness does not equate to idolatry; they are words with 2 completely different meanings. Well, my mistake. [;)] I apologize, Jimbo.

thelouise -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/7/2008 9:15:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: A God led discovery... Ahh, we should just accept that at face value and run with it? quote: I would also say this gentleman isn't idle since he has a congregation of 200 and had a Passover Seder in the Tacoma dome for 600! Never confused busy-ness with working or working effectively. Some of the busiest "ministries" in the country wouldn't recognize a leading from Jesus if He delivered it in person. Wow. quote: BTW, if you click on your link, it doesn't work. Try it and see. Sorry about that. I haven't posted enough to know that sometimes the links don't work. The first link to the video does in fact work and the second link only worked if you copied and pasted the url. I will post both links again in clickable form (and I'll check it once I post!). Article in WND: Blood moon eclipses Video interview: Prophecy in the News. Louise

FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/8/2008 3:12:08 AM)
I put no stock in date setting. Basically, until there is somebody making a seven year covenant with Israel, I'm keeping my trap shut about possible years. However, I will say this. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for being able to interpret physical signs related to the weather and missing the spiritual signs of the Messiah standing in front of them. I will also say that eschatology was a central part to Paul's teachings of Christianity. Notice that his usual stay in a place was about three weeks (three sabbaths, according to Acts) and yet in 2nd Thessalonians Paul tells them all this stuff about the end-times and says, "do you not remember that while I was still with you I told you these things?" Also, Paul includes teaching eschatology into what is perhaps the clearest and most compact delivery of the Gospel message to the Athenians in Acts 17. However, if your study of eschatology does not put an urgency into your prayer life, your lifestyle, and your "christian service" (ugh... I hate that term), then you are not studying it in a way that is beneficial to your life. If your doctor told you that you had six months to live because of some mysterious disease, you would cram all the living you could possibly get into that six months. If your Bible is indicating to you that you have a mere 30-50 years before Christ returns, we should be doing the same thing. Adam

upNORTder -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/8/2008 11:27:30 AM)
quote: Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness while the harvest is white unto harvest and while jobs of Christian service goes lacking. We are told specifically to watch for His return. There is a crown for watching.

MrFribbles -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/8/2008 7:11:20 PM)
quote: We are told specifically to watch for His return. There is a crown for watching. There is a difference between watching and deciding your "calling" is looking for a specific date. (not saying this is what you're advocating... Just making a general point, stemming off of your comment) If I may make an analogy (and bear in mind that it is just an analogy, and therefore imperfect) - Your boss tells you that they will be coming over for dinner one night this week, but he doesn't tell you what night. In fact, they make it a point to NOT tell you, or anyone else. What is the most productive method of "watching" for your boss in this case? Snooping around your workplace and trying to figure out exactly what night they're coming over? Or keeping your house in good order, making sure your planned dinner menu for the week is something you would feel comfortable serving to your boss, and even using this opportunity to teach your children the importance of good manners around adults? In other words, I think the best way to watch is by being active in God's service - not by constantly trying to pinpoint the "when" of Christ's return.

cow451 -> RE: Signs in the Sign (5/9/2008 10:16:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: upNORTder quote: Generally and IMHO, obsession with end times indicates idleness while the harvest is white unto harvest and while jobs of Christian service goes lacking. We are told specifically to watch for His return. There is a crown for watching. And we've been doing that for around 2000 years. That should tell you something.

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