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dantheman688 -> Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/4/2008 11:10:16 AM)

As I write this blog, over 350+ killed from an Indian cyclone, 9 killed/17 injured from a massive South Korean wave, and 8 killed in an Arkansas tornado (only 1 out of 25 that touched down). It seems like mother nature is getting worse and worse as time goes on. Is He coming soon?



Retrobyter -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/4/2008 4:22:27 PM)

Shalom, Dan-the-man!

Well, considering that it's not "Mother Nature" (an alias for the godess Gaia) but by YAH's power that the weather is turned, it COULD be that it demonstrates Yeshua` is coming soon, BUT consider Yeshua`s words:

Luke 13:1-5
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The weather doesn't HAVE to mean that His Judgment is coming soon; however, His Judgment WILL have with it consequences in the weather!

Retrobyter



Biblefreak -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/4/2008 5:30:50 PM)

Well, as most Christ followers know the weather is just one thing to watch in the last days. But, yes things are being set up.



vixir -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/5/2008 4:29:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Biblefreak

Well, as most Christ followers know the weather is just one thing to watch in the last days. But, yes things are being set up.



I try to stay away from the book of Revelations, but have read a few versus (couldn't finish the whole book). heh... yet I don't recall anything about the weather. I'm not doubting your words, but I would like to see where in scripture it talks about the weather being a sign. Like I said, I have only gotten passed a few scriptures in Revelations -- which could be why I can't recall. Please help! hehe



WesP -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/5/2008 4:43:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vixir

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ORIGINAL: Biblefreak

Well, as most Christ followers know the weather is just one thing to watch in the last days. But, yes things are being set up.



I try to stay away from the book of Revelations, but have read a few versus (couldn't finish the whole book). heh... yet I don't recall anything about the weather. I'm not doubting your words, but I would like to see where in scripture it talks about the weather being a sign. Like I said, I have only gotten passed a few scriptures in Revelations -- which could be why I can't recall. Please help! hehe


Here's an interesting little quote from Mark:

Mark 13:7-8

7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.



vixir -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/5/2008 5:53:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WesSavedByGrace
Here's an interesting little quote from Mark:

Mark 13:7-8

7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.



I read that part... but it has nothing to do with the weather.



2by2 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/5/2008 9:49:01 PM)

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Here's an interesting little quote from Mark:

Mark 13:7-8

7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.

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I hate to be the one to burst the bubble, but wars, earthquakes, and famines have been happening for eons....

I personally hope that things end soon. I want to reside with Christ. I want a new body and a new earth. When the train comes, it will come. Just make sure you have your ticket.[;)]



eschatologist -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/6/2008 8:45:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dantheman688

As I write this blog, over 350+ killed from an Indian cyclone, 9 killed/17 injured from a massive South Korean wave, and 8 killed in an Arkansas tornado (only 1 out of 25 that touched down). It seems like mother nature is getting worse and worse as time goes on. Is He coming soon?



Yes this is one of the signs of Jesus' soon coming return. Jesus said, "There will be famines pestilances and earthquakes in diverse places." Although these things have been around for thousands of years, the frequency and severity of these natural disasters seems to be getting worse and worse every year.

This is what I believe Jesus meant, that during the time of the very end these things, including droughts, which leads to famine, pestilances, and earthquakes, including other natural disasters will increase rapidly and be more severe than ever before.



2by2 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/6/2008 8:58:34 PM)

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Yes this is one of the signs of Jesus' soon coming return. Jesus said, "There will be famines pestilances and earthquakes in diverse places." Although these things have been around for thousands of years, the frequency and severity of these natural disasters seems to be getting worse and worse every year.



I don't think that the frequency seems to be increasing...I just think with media and global sattelite that we hear about it more frequently than we did even 30 years ago.

There have always been "starving children" somewhere. When I was a kid, they were in Korea. When my mom was a kid they were in China.

You must consider how many more souls there are today compared to 30 years ago too. Cities experience growth and increases in populations. If there are more people on the planet it would stand to reason that there would be more loss of life during catastrophes.



JimboFletch -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/7/2008 10:26:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 2by2

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Yes this is one of the signs of Jesus' soon coming return. Jesus said, "There will be famines pestilances and earthquakes in diverse places." Although these things have been around for thousands of years, the frequency and severity of these natural disasters seems to be getting worse and worse every year.



I don't think that the frequency seems to be increasing...I just think with media and global sattelite that we hear about it more frequently than we did even 30 years ago.

There have always been "starving children" somewhere. When I was a kid, they were in Korea. When my mom was a kid they were in China.

You must consider how many more souls there are today compared to 30 years ago too. Cities experience growth and increases in populations. If there are more people on the planet it would stand to reason that there would be more loss of life during catastrophes.

I agree. I'm also amazed that people are so quick to try to find where a disaster fits on their handy John-Hagee-End-Times-Chart rather than being brokenhearted and prayerful over the souls lost and lives destroyed in the catastrophe as I would imagine Jesus doing.

Kind of makes me wonder about priorities today and what that tells us about the end drawing near.



JimboFletch -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/7/2008 10:29:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Retrobyter

Shalom, Dan-the-man!

Well, considering that it's not "Mother Nature" (an alias for the godess Gaia) but by YAH's power that the weather is turned, it COULD be that it demonstrates Yeshua` is coming soon, BUT consider Yeshua`s words:

Luke 13:1-5
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The weather doesn't HAVE to mean that His Judgment is coming soon; however, His Judgment WILL have with it consequences in the weather!

Retrobyter

Another excellent post! (I was also wondering about the tribute to "Mother Nature" in the title.)



dantheman688 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/7/2008 7:47:01 PM)

Wow when I wrote this post there was only 350+ confirmed deaths, but now the number is around 100,000. My prayers go out to all those people who were affected by this tragedy.



2by2 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/8/2008 8:18:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

I agree. I'm also amazed that people are so quick to try to find where a disaster fits on their handy John-Hagee-End-Times-Chart rather than being brokenhearted and prayerful over the souls lost and lives destroyed in the catastrophe as I would imagine Jesus doing.





Absolutely. There is no doubt that this is a tragedy and I grieve for those who have lost their lives or their loved ones in the cyclone. People are often quick to judge and say "If there is a God, how could he let this happen?" I tend to marvel at the miracle of those who survive such a disaster. To me, that is proof that God is real.



lijon -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/12/2008 8:07:01 PM)

Funny I should come by this topic right after being informed that there was an 7.8 "degree (?)" earthquake in China just yesterday... a sign?! *shifty eyes*
pray for those who were killed and those who survived



Ntech -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/12/2008 9:16:09 PM)

I am about 90 percent certain it may happen by the end of the year or a couple of months into next year.

As I said in a different thread I think that the prophesies of Daniel 8 and 11 appear to be repeating. And that 3 events predicted by these prophesies have occured. Which has me watching for the next event predicted. The overthrow of the government of Iran.

If this happens then I suspect that will signal a start to a major birth pang. Possibly a birth even. How does one get "plucked up" anyway?

Then there should be a 5 to 15 year pause before the 7 year agreement is signed and then things will be off and running.


Do I have the timeline right? Read Daniel 8 and think about it.

Luke 21.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



Retrobyter -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/14/2008 12:55:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vixir

quote:

ORIGINAL: WesSavedByGrace
Here's an interesting little quote from Mark:

Mark 13:7-8

7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.



I read that part... but it has nothing to do with the weather.


Shalom, vixir.

You should check out Luke's version of the Olivet Discourse:

Luke 21:25-26
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
KJV

The Greek word "ouranos" is the word translated "heaven" and its primary meaning is the "sky." Thus, with the sea and the waves roaring and the powers of the sky trembling, we ARE talking about the weather!

Retrobyter



hgomez -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/14/2008 2:21:20 PM)

I read this interesting article on all of the natural disasters happening...

Since it's post there's been a volcano erupting in Italy and another earthquake ...

http://www.christiannation.com/home/the-beginning-of-the-end.html



bob97 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/15/2008 3:09:50 PM)

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Luke 21:25-26
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
KJV


Is not this talking about the Day of the Lord Retro? It does not mean we will not see abnormal disturbances in the weather and earth crust just before the end doe it?

Bob



JimboFletch -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/15/2008 3:17:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ntech
Do I have the timeline right? Read Daniel 8 and think about it.

Whether you or don't, the burning question is, "So what?"

And that people still try to set a timeline is evidence enough for me that they are not about the Lord's business and are going to be wrong - but probably won't even slow down enough to ponder that before beginning again...



Ntech -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/22/2008 1:36:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ntech
Do I have the timeline right? Read Daniel 8 and think about it.

Whether you or don't, the burning question is, "So what?"

And that people still try to set a timeline is evidence enough for me that they are not about the Lord's business and are going to be wrong - but probably won't even slow down enough to ponder that before beginning again...

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Well the thing is that you were told to watch for the end times.

Luke 21
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Matthew 24
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

And since the 9-11 attacks and my finding the prophecy of Daniel 11-2 I have been studying this situation we're in. And after a study of end time prophesies and examination of history I believe that the generation of the fig tree of Matthew 24 started in May of 1948. And that the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom to come completed before then. (Matthew 24-14.)

And that now 60 years after the generation started events are starting to heat up. The generation is running out of time. And looking at Daniel 8 and 11 it appears that Daniel has called 3 major events over the past 7 years. And the next predicted event appears to be the conquering of the nation of Iran. And it appears according to the rumors in the news that George Bush plans to take out Iran before he leaves office.

And the funny thing here is that Daniel 11-4 the event that appears to follow the death of Iran appears to have a time limit on it. And that it happens before G. Bush leaves office.

And the terrible thing about Daniel 11-4 is that it seems to be a small description of a very large event. And that event appears to be the 6th seal of Revelation, Daniel 11-4 and 8-20, Matthew 24-29 to 24-31 and the Gog Magog event of Ezekial all rolled into one. This world could be unrecognizable in a year or two at the most.

Could I be wrong about future events? Maybe. I might have the timeline wrong. Or events might play out in such a way that they are not the major disaster that I'm seeing. I fear being right much more than being wrong.


But I'll have to look back over my old posts in a year or 2 to check my accuracy. Assuming they survive that long.

Something else to consider. Back in the days of Ancient Israel and Judah God appointed watchmen and prophets to warn the people of impending disasters for their faithlessness. Who's to say that such people wouldn't start showing up now. Watchmen for the new age to come.



tsnody2001 -> RE: Mother Nature: Jesus's return soon? (5/22/2008 4:14:00 PM)

Vixir, Please do not be afraid of the book of Revelation, nor should you ignore its warnings. Revelation 1:3 says, "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed (to keep or listen to) the things which are written in it; for the time is near." Jesus gave repeated instructions to the churches (representing actual churches at the time as well as the Church throughout its history): "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches" (Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22). He has commanded all who has an ear to heed its message and also to proclaim its message to anyone else who has an ear. He has promised "to him who overcomes (those whose faith is in Jesus, who has already overcome the world [John 16:33]), to him I will grant" eternal life in His Kingdom (2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21). See also Romans 5:9; 12:21; 1 John 2:13. Travis



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