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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 4:17:13 PM
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Another sincere question - no sarcasm meant - why don't the "catchers" or the musicians ever become overwhelmed? Why in the video just linked two posts back, did Todd Bentley.... well, it looked like he shook violently, when others just drop down?
Thanks. Please, do not reply with sarcasm.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 4:38:30 PM
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2shaye: Another sincere question - no sarcasm meant - why don't the "catchers" or the musicians ever become overwhelmed? Why in the video just linked two posts back, did Todd Bentley.... well, it looked like he shook violently, when others just drop down?
That's a question that has been asked by many, including myself. I honestly don't have a definite answer but I can try. In some cases I believe the speaker is doing nothing more than whipping a crowd up in a frenzy, setting the mood with the appropriate music and creating an atmosphere of suggestibility and susceptibility, so only those who are tuned in and swept up in the moment will be affected. The musicians and catchers are too busy doing their thing to be susceptible, and they know what's coming anyway. It is is bit ironic when a speaker announces some new overwhelming manifestation that never affects the catchers or musicians.
In the case of Bentley and some others, I strongly believe there is a definite power and delusion at work. He seems to only target specific people or the audience rather than the catchers and musicians so that would be my guess as to why they are not affected. Perhaps he realizes he needs these people to carry on with the meeting so he does not target them.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 4:42:12 PM
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Another sincere question - no sarcasm meant - why don't the "catchers" or the musicians ever become overwhelmed? Why in the video just linked two posts back, did Todd Bentley.... well, it looked like he shook violently, when others just drop down?
Thanks. Please, do not reply with sarcasm.
When it comes to the topic of "Slain in the Spirit", there is only one side to this issue. Nowhere do you find the phenomenon of slain in the spirit in the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. The phenomenon itself is explained by natural processes, it's found in the world of the occult. If you look at Scripture - Scripture teaches you to be alert and sober minded because the adversary, Satan, prowls around like a lion seeking whom he might devour.
Christians are not supposed to be in an altered state of consciousness, you're supposed to be alert and sober minded. So 'slain in the spirit' is a phenomenon that you will find in the world of the occult. But not in a Christian world view.
You can go to any stage hypnotist in Vegas, any day of the week, and have the exact same thing happen to you (slain in the spirit). In fact, this is explained in social-psychological manipulation. Benny Hinn for example, he's maybe a C+/B- grade hypnotist. He's not a great hypnotist, but he is good enough for the audience that he is working with.
What is applied is auto-suggestion, he's working people into an altered-state of consciousness, he uses peer pressure, he is using people's expectations and he is using the subtle power of suggestion which can make black appear white. He is using repetitive music and words. It can obscure reality and enshrine absurdity.
When you are hyper-suggestible, you can be made to believe anything that enters your mind. No matter how mundane or outlandish. It is really not something that ought to be applied within the context of a Christian world view.
A lot of people who have never thought critically about this phenomenon in light of Scripture. I have taken the passages that people have used to support this, as a pretext for slain in the spirit. None of the passages make the point.
There is the passage where the Pharisee's are after Jesus and they then fall backwards - that is a classic case in point. What you find in Scripture is the enemies of Christ falling backwards. You don't find the friends of Christ falling backwards. The friends of Christ fall forward in adoration, they don't fall backwards as the phenomenon as slain in the spirit would have you believe you do.
And the reason you fall backwards, is because that is an easure function to manipulate, particularly if you have catchers. As opposed to falling forward. There is an absolute absence of catchers in Scripture as well. Why would you need catchers at all?! If this was a sovereign work of God.
Looking at the listing of gifts in Corinthians, being slain in the spirit is not even listed. You don't find it anywhere in Scripture.
The only place I might point you to is Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5), they were slain in the Spirit, but I don't think people will be lining up for that anytime soon.
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:: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 4:43:44 PM
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Christianity is undergoing a paradigm shift of major proportions - a shift from faith to feelings; from fact to fantasy; and from reason to esoteric revelation. Leaders of this Counterfeit Revival, such as Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley, Rodney Howard Browne and John Arnott, have peppered their preaching and practice with fabrications, fantasies, and frauds, seemingly unaware of their profound consequences.
Many of the followers who at first flooded into Counterfeit Revival “power centers” have become disillusioned and have now slipped through the cracks into the kingdom of the cults.
John the Apostle warned, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).
This warning is particularly relevant today, as Christianity is undergoing a paradigm shift of epic proportions.
Prophets of the Counterfeit Revival claim that a bloody civil war is going to polarize the entire Christian community. On one side will be those who embrace new revelations. On the other side will be those who obstinately cling to reason. One “prophet” went so far as to say, “God is going to renovate the entire understanding of what Christianity is in the nations of the Earth… In twenty years there will be a totally different understanding of Christianity as we know it.”
Some of the most recognizable names in the Christian community are endorsing this paradigm shift with little or no reservation. The appeal is so staggering that churches on every continent are now inviting their people to “experience” God in a brand new way. It is now estimated that seven thousand churches in England alone have embraced the Counterfeit Revival. And with each passing day the numbers are escalating dramatically.
Sardonic laughter, spasmodic jerks, signs and wonders, super apostles and prophets, and being “slain in the spirit” are pointed to as empirical evidence of the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. The form and function of the church are being so radically rearranged that even the secular world has taken note.
Currently in Lakeland, Florida there is a man named Todd Bentley who is conducting daily revival services where all of the above and more are being touted and displayed. He claims there is a super anointing going on there and yet there are only two definitions of the term anointing for us New Testament believers.
One is when we speak of Jesus Christ, the Anointed One. And the second is when we speak of any and all born-again believers. To be anointed is to be saved, to be a child of God bought by the precious blood of Jesus Christ.
Yet today we have those in the Word of Faith/Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God circles using the term as if it is some power, some force, that can be imparted to someone else, spewed across a room, through TV screens, etc..
False.
Todd Bentley attributes his conversion experience to a “angel” named Emma-O. A simple Google search will reveal that a demon named Emma-O has been known in occultic circles for centuries.
I am reminded of the passage in Scripture where we are warned that even if an “angel of light” reveals them self to us we are to reject it if it comes with a contrary message.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 4:55:21 PM
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Currently in Lakeland, Florida there is a man named Todd Bentley who is conducting daily revival services where all of the above and more are being touted and displayed. He claims there is a super anointing going on there and yet there are only two definitions of the term anointing for us New Testament believers.
One is when we speak of Jesus Christ, the Anointed One. And the second is when we speak of any and all born-again believers. To be anointed is to be saved, to be a child of God bought by the precious blood of Jesus Christ.
Please forgive my lack of understanding - what is a New Testament Believer? Is that different from a plain, ole, regular, born again believer?
I'm doing a search on the word "anointing" and one of the first references I've come across is this:
Exodus 29:29
" The holy garments of Aaron shall be for his sons after him, that in them they may be anointed and ordained." It's from the OT, so do you not believe in it? I would find that hard to believe, so can you please explain what you mean?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 4:58:11 PM
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I'm doing a search on the word "anointing" and one of the first references I've come across is this:
Exodus 29:29
" The holy garments of Aaron shall be for his sons after him, that in them they may be anointed and ordained." It's from the OT, so do you not believe in it? I would find that hard to believe, so can you please explain what you mean?
Read it in its context. "Anointed" is referring to being literally anointed with oil as part of the ordination ceremony.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:17:43 PM
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Hi 2shaye:
Good for you to go through and check out the references to anointing. Then you'll know for certain what it is and what it is not. As to the NT meaning in regards to spiritual anointing, every believer is anointed by God:
1 Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it has taught you, remain in Him.
1 Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
2 Cor 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
So as earthless said, it's not some special force or power to be doled out and passed around, and there is no such thing as an 'Elijah anointing' or a 'seer anointing' or a 'prophetic anointing' or a 'super apostle anointing' as many would have us believe.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:18:40 PM
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Please forgive my lack of understanding - what is a New Testament Believer? Is that different from a plain, ole, regular, born again believer?
Anyone born and saved after Jesus shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary.
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I'm doing a search on the word "anointing" and one of the first references I've come across is this:
Exodus 29:29
" The holy garments of Aaron shall be for his sons after him, that in them they may be anointed and ordained." It's from the OT, so do you not believe in it? I would find that hard to believe, so can you please explain what you mean?
The word anointing means to be born-again - so there is no such thing as some who say, "ooo.. that brother has a double portion of the anointing.." Or Rod Parsley touting on his TV broadcast that for $1,000 you can become an armor bearer of his ministry and he will "impart his anointing onto you..."
To be anointed means to be saved, to be His, to be set apart for God bought by the blood of Jesus, stamped & sealed by the Holy Spirit.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:29:58 PM
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To be anointed means to be saved, to be His, to be set apart for God bought by the blood of Jesus, stamped & sealed by the Holy Spirit.
What more could anyone want?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:31:35 PM
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The word anointing means to be born-again - so there is no such thing as some who say, "ooo.. that brother has a double portion of the anointing.." Or Rod Parsley touting on his TV broadcast that for $1,000 you can become an armor bearer of his ministry and he will "impart his anointing onto you..."
To be anointed means to be saved, to be His, to be set apart for God bought by the blood of Jesus, stamped & sealed by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you. But, I'm still confused  . In the passages above, it seems that "born again" cannot replace the word, "anointing". It *seems* that anointing is, in fact, something like a seal, an extra something to make it valid. I'm still looking and I REALLY appreciate all the time you've taken to explain things to me thus far.
Just bashing this florida outpouring and Todd Bentley does not help me understand. I'm really not as thick headed as I'm sounding!  I've discovered that whenever I've heard the word "anointing", I've given it my own definition based on how I've heard those around me use it. It's still pretty foggy in my head, here.....
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:38:38 PM
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Thank you. But, I'm still confused . In the passages above, it seems that "born again" cannot replace the word, "anointing".
That was not the intention.
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It *seems* that anointing is, in fact, something like a seal, an extra something to make it valid.
Like I said earlier, it has two meanings for us now - the first one is to speak of the "chosen one." The Bible says that Jesus Christ was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit to spread the Good News and free those who have been held captive by sin (Luke 4:18-19, Acts 10:38).
After Jesus left the earth, He left us the gift of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16). Now all Christians are anointed, chosen for a specific purpose in furthering God's Kingdom (1 John 2:20). "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee" (2 Corinthians 1:21-22).
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I'm still looking and I REALLY appreciate all the time you've taken to explain things to me thus far.
No problem. I have a very personal background with the Word of Faith/Hyper-Charismatic/Pentecostal circles.. so this is definitely a focus of my ministry.
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Just bashing this florida outpouring and Todd Bentley does not help me understand. I'm really not as thick headed as I'm sounding! I've discovered that whenever I've heard the word "anointing", I've given it my own definition based on how I've heard those around me use it. It's still pretty foggy in my head, here.....
It is definitely a foggy term because of how rampant the Word of Faith circles have taken it to mean something completely different from what its biblical definitions are.
It's sad that because of lack of discernment and of knowing the Word, so many denominations, churches, etc.. have all fallen into the trap of using the word in an incorrect manner.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:40:07 PM
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To be anointed means to be saved, to be His, to be set apart for God bought by the blood of Jesus, stamped & sealed by the Holy Spirit.
What more could anyone want?
It is definitely more than I need and more than I COULD EVER deserve.
Yet the fact remains that for a lot of people simply living the Christian life is not enough for them. So they seek emotional highs, false prophets, false movements, false signs and wonders to fill their itching ear tanks.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 5:43:34 PM
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He reminds me of a used car salesmen.
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supernatural school
Please watch this video.
Several times he makes it clear that this is not a Bible school but a school for the supernatural.
What is disturbing is it seems geared for teens.
As he speaks he really gets into it and begins what I call a "preach mode" with a serious cadance. Check it out.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:46:35 PM
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To be anointed means to be saved, to be His, to be set apart for God bought by the blood of Jesus, stamped & sealed by the Holy Spirit.
What more could anyone want?
It is definitely more than I need and more than I COULD EVER deserve.
Yet the fact remains that for a lot of people simply living the Christian life is not enough for them. So they seek emotional highs, false prophets, false movements, false signs and wonders to fill their itching ear tanks.
It's kind of like adrenaline junkies.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 5:50:29 PM
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Anybody praying out there or are we all just trying to prove how much we know? I am not being argumentative or sarcastic. I am being very serious.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/20/2008 5:52:02 PM
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Anybody praying out there or are we all just trying to prove how much we know? I am not being argumentative or sarcastic. I am being very serious.
Praying and praying for all those being deceived by these demonic and human/greed inspired movements. Praying for all those being made merchandise and praying that the Holy Spirit will convict all of us with His Word.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 5:53:10 PM
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It's kind of like adrenaline junkies.
Galatians 5:22-23 says: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."
If self-control is a fruit of the Spirit of God, how can uncontrollable laughter also be a fruit of His Spirit? Revival leaders claim that being "filled" with the Spirit means that we are sort of "tossed about" by His whims.
But the idea that God would make people act drunk, or laugh uncontrollably, or make animal noises as a result of the Spirit's anointing is directly opposed to the way the Spirit acts, according to Galatians 5:22-23. The Spirit described in Galatians 5 is one that promotes self-control within us, not the opposite.
Just something to think about when we see these God TV broadcasts and YouTube clips of the Lakeland meetings.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:06:52 PM
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Yet the fact remains that for a lot of people simply living the Christian life is not enough for them. So they seek emotional highs, false prophets, false movements, false signs and wonders to fill their itching ear tanks.
But it's not a paradigm shift, earthless. It's been going on my entire lifetime, at least. Maybe it's just human nature. But what is blatently obvious is the flirtation with the occult in our society in general - from the out and out occult movement that's out in front in our society with no need to hide or disguise all the way down to Harry Potter and Pokemon. We've let it in and think it's so harmless and then when it creeps into church it looks all too familiar and even starts to sound good and undiscerning, undisciplined, immature Christians are ensnared.
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Galatians 5:22-23 says: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."
If self-control is a fruit of the Spirit of God, how can uncontrollable laughter also be a fruit of His Spirit? Revival leaders claim that being "filled" with the Spirit means that we are sort of "tossed about" by His whims.
But the idea that God would make people act drunk, or laugh uncontrollably, or make animal noises as a result of the Spirit's anointing is directly opposed to the way the Spirit acts, according to Galatians 5:22-23. The Spirit described in Galatians 5 is one that promotes self-control within us, not the opposite.
Just something to think about when we see these God TV broadcasts and YouTube clips of the Lakeland meetings.
Eph 4:14 - As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming
I grew up with this stuff and I really struggle sometimes with what I've been taught and what I've seen. But so much of it just doesn't hold water when you take even a minute to step back from it, look at what God's Word says, and ask discernment.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:08:53 PM
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EARTHLESS: I would just like to very gently mention that I have made a very important point - what is going on at this venue is a pivotal point in Satan's deception plans. Don't you think so? When I say pray, I am referring especially to the need for those of us who know and are concerned, to pray that the spirt behind Todd is revealed. Specifically.
I understand your grave concerns. I rarely get involved with postings and so on, but I have done so here because of my personal involvement with this type of ministry/outpouring. It is nothing new.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:12:14 PM
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EARTHLESS: I would just like to very gently mention that I have made a very important point - what is going on at this venue is a pivotal point in Satan's deception plans. Don't you think so? When I say pray, I am referring especially to the need for those of us who know and are concerned, to pray that the spirt behind Todd is revealed. Specifically.
I understand your grave concerns. I rarely get involved with postings and so on, but I have done so here because of my personal involvement with this type of ministry/outpouring. It is nothing new.
We're on the same page, bro/sis.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:14:50 PM
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I know we are - but you kind of have a tendency to override. I say this with the hope you believe I am not being argumentative. Thanks
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:22:40 PM
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I grew up with this stuff and I really struggle sometimes with what I've been taught and what I've seen. But so much of it just doesn't hold water when you take even a minute to step back from it, look at what God's Word says, and ask discernment.
I completely hear you and want to say I understand you because my wife came out of a HYPER Word of Faith church that would make most currently at Lakeland blush.
I spent many years pastoring in a church that ended up embracing these movements. I have been physically kicked out of churches/services by their prophets and apostles, by their bodyguards and associates. For being divisive and bringing up concerns about what was being taught and touted as God's truth from the pulpit.
Benny Hinn has cursed me and my family to death and Paul Crouch has said that I am an agent of Satan. An experience with Rodney Howard-Browne where at a service where we were present, Rodney approached my brother in the Lord and began threatening to have us thrown out of the sanctuary. "I'm telling you right now," he hissed, "you'll drop dead if you prohibit what God is doing!" Dramatically he gestured toward the crowd and warned them that those like us, who would dare question that what he was doing was of God, had committed the unpardonable sin and would not be forgiven in this world or the next.
The following day he crowed, "The last time I had a confrontation like that..was..with a bunch of Mormons... you could see their spirit, y'know.. just a really religious, pharisaical spirit, that's what it is. Amen?... And I smelt it - y'know, I can smell them religious devils from about a hundred yards - I could smell them blindfolded, man.... You could see, last night we meant business." He labeled his critics "idiots" and warned that they were about to experience either "riot or revival."
My mother in law is a international Word of Faith "superstar" whose ministry reaches into all over the U.S. and Latin America. So all of this is as real as it can get for me as well.
I visited a small local church by my house on Sunday. They are currently without a pastor and are seeking one. They are conservative in their biblical approach and definitely not something that could be labeled as modern day American Pentecostal.
There was a guy there that started to speak in tongues and caused a really big scene. I felt bad for the local congregation there, no one said a word and they didn't know what to do.
I left the service that day sadden by what had happened and how they lack direction.
Sorry for the rant. These are things that have been on my mind.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:25:24 PM
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I know we are - but you kind of have a tendency to override. I say this with the hope you believe I am not being argumentative. Thanks
Not at all - I am not known to be curt with my words or with what needs to be said. I chalk that up to my history with these movements and current profession.
False teachers are free to spread their poisonous doctrines today because there is a conspiracy of silence among many Bible believers. Wolves in sheep's clothing are thus enabled to ravage the flock, thereby destroying many.
John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducee's (the religious leaders of his day) "a generation of vipers" (snakes) (Matthew 3:7). Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, and unchristian.
In our day these false teachers have come into the churches with their books, literature, movies, psychology, and seminars, and have turned the Father's house into a den of thieves. It is time that men of God stand up and expose their errors for all to see.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 5/20/2008 6:40:01 PM
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But the idea that God would make people act drunk, or laugh uncontrollably, or make animal noises as a result of the Spirit's anointing is directly opposed to the way the Spirit acts, according to Galatians 5:22-23. The Spirit described in Galatians 5 is one that promotes self-control within us, not the opposite.
That is my opinion of what people got wrong out of the "revivals" of the last 15 years. The Spirit doesn't make anyone do anything- He doesn't make anyone laugh, doesn't make anyone cry, doesn't make anyone stop sinning, certainly doesn't make anyone get down on all fours and pretend they're a dog, etc. It is also incorrect to look at how someone seems to "praise and worship" God as some sort of barometer of where the walk is at and it is also incorrect to look at someone's "boastings" of their alleged "revelations" from God in the same way. An example would be saying the Apostle Paul was great from his vision on the road and how some seem to look at Todd's "visions" as some sort of whatever that makes him a "great" servant of the Lord. Honestly I have heard people describe some of the things Todd talks about only they were talking about acid trips or flashbacks. 
While I'm on the subject is that video from yours really showing churches or are those bootleg outtakes from a remake of "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"? :P
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The word anointing means to be born-again - so there is no such thing as some who say, "ooo.. that brother has a double portion of the anointing.." Or Rod Parsley touting on his TV broadcast that for $1,000 you can become an armor bearer of his ministry and he will "impart his anointing onto you..."
Anoint is still used in the literal way in James 5:14. I just wanted to point that out. ; )
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