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ORIGINAL: hellochurch

to solarflare,

the gentleman you were talking to was quoting 1 Cor 12 3 which says "that no man can say that Jesus is LORD, except by the Holy Ghost."

Well, let's take a look at I Cor. 12:3, shall we? In fact, let's look at the ENTIRE verse and not just half of it, and then when we are done with that particular exercise, how about looking at the chapter, hey, why not the whole book......aww, but I am getting ahead of myself.

Here is the verse ALL of it - and not just the part you 'used'.

THEREFORE I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed, and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit."

Paul was writing about spiritual gifts and writing to people who had difficulty with their Christian walk because of the sin around them. Corinth was a very corrupt city. Much like many in America today I would think. Anyway......Paul said to these Corinthians: about spritual gifts, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE IGNORANT. Apparently, they were ignorant, or he would not have had to write that. With me so far?

Now, verse 3, what is he saying here? Is he saying that all a person has to do is SAY the following words: JESUS IS LORD and then everything is OK? After somene says those words it's OK to believe anything they do or say or anything thay may happen around them, JUST BECAUSE they said those words? Well, if that were the case, wouldn't it be easy then.
Hey, we would not even need discernment - a person would just have to say, JESUS is LORD and then we could trust them.

So then, why does Paul say, write, just before that, that no one can say Jesus be cursed, if they are speaking by the Holy Spirit? Why? BECAUSE THE CORINTHINANS WERE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH DISCERNMENT.......THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS OF GOD AND WHAT WAS NOT OF GOD. Spiritual gifts were 'puffing' the Corinthians up - my, they were even arguing over who had more power! Can you imagine that!

So, what Paul was showing/teaching, in his example, was that ANYONE, ANYONE, can claim to be speaking for or on behalf of God, but, watch out, because the world is full of FALSE teachers. Paul was saying, in effect, TEST THE CREDIBILITY OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY SPEAK FOR GOD - DON'T JUST TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT - even the devil knows Jesus is Lord, hellochurch, it is not hard to say JESUS IS LORD - every knee will bow, every tongue will confess, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD -we even sing those words - that is why, you have to look at the entire picture and not just one little part. To say all a person has to say is 'JESUS IS LORD', is not the whole picture. Why then, are we told to discern, why then, are we told to 'test' the spirits, why then, does God warn us that the devil comes as an angel of light? and so on. You need to understand the whole picture - don't run around with half a Bible - don't run around without the armor - get the whole picture - understand what was written and to who, and why, and do not take scripture out of context to support what you, personally, believe. There is too much at stake here for anyone's personality or personal beliefs, to get in the way of discerning, revealing, proving, testing and PRAYING about what is really going on at Lakeland or any other place that puts experiences and feelings above the Word of God.


Did you know that the word LORD there is the word used to describe YHVH, in other words " no Man can say that JESUS IS THE L O R D G O D A L M I G H T Y and recognize him for who he really is, unless the Holy Ghost shows it to him.

Should I be impressed by that? Did you know you can recognize Jesus as the Son of God and still curse Him and refuse Him? Happens ALL the time - even when Jesus was on the cross - one criminal believed on Him and the other did not.

I read some comments posted on this site with links to trash and bash bently sites that printed in huge letters that bently was for example saying that "God told him not to talk about Jesus anymore, that he should instead focus on 'the angel'."

Well, I do not post anything with reference to Bently and links to other sites, so don't take it up with me.


When I clicked on the clip to play it, Bently did not say that at all, he clearly said that "God told him that so many in the church are so opposed to the supernatural, the real God supernatural, because they think it is wrong, that even though they say the believe in Jesus, they are denying the power that accompanies Jesus, and do not believe in the supernatural for her and now today, ie angels etc. and miracles and healings, etc. etc.

Well, I did also follow that link, and Bentley did say what you are saying, but BUT what he is saying is blasphemous!!! God Himself is 'supernatural' if you want to see the real truth here, in fact HE IS SPIRIT, not one of many, BUT, I AM THAT I AM, HE IS. Amen! I love Him for that!!
Bentley is D E C E I V E D. The only person God wants us to focus on is JESUS - not angels!!!! I do not deny the power in the name of my JESUS! Bentley does! He denies that that Holy name is the NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES - that is the ONLY name we need! Emma is a d e m o n.
Bentley is following doctrines of demons. Jesus Jesus Jesus
WAKE UP!!!! OH SLEEPER wake up!!! The time is at hand, the time is now. Choose who you will follow. Yes, God demands YOU to choose. He is patient, not willing that any should perish. But perish they do, will YOU be among them? There - how is that for a word from the Lord? God just gave me that! Yes, I do speak for HIM!!! I am filled with His Spirit - I believe in Him - I believe angels exist - BUT to do God's bidding - no one else's. I hurt for you - I cry out to God for YOU and anyone else so deceived that you do not know and cannot tell that Bentley is himself deceived and deceiving THOUSANDS.


This was a deliberate misquote of Bentley made to be used to twist what he said and make it into something that Bently never said nor ever meant. It was mean, and it was done on this site by christians for the purpose of bashing bently.

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There is too much physical evidence even to the contrary when you add in Mary apparitions, new age healers like Reiki, shamans, witch doctors and so on. Like all counterfits, it pails in comparison.

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ORIGINAL: lbolm

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A healing is not FRUIT - we are to judge by fruit - a healing (genuine)
can also be attributed to Satan - he can also do that - so really,
we are left NOWHERE other than where we were at the start of your
gleeful 'proof'.

Solarflare,
I had to leave yesterday. I had an important meeting going on. Sorry, you thought I was running from you.

No, I did not think you were running from me - please don't say what you think I think - I guarantee that you will be wrong. Unless of course you have a spirit of divination, in which case I pray the Lord rebuke you.
But you must admit, you have refused to address me - telling me I was too hot to handle. Whatever.


I ill get back to yesterdays thouhts in a few.
I had a debate with someone over almost the same remarks you are making here about satan being able to heal. I challenged him and now challenge you to give me ONE scripture that proves that satan has healed, does heal or will heal anybody. There is NO SUCH scripture !! If you want to take out of context about "fool the very elect" thing, then that is exactly what you are doing. GIVE me solid proof, from the Word of God, that satan heals!!

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Give me solid proof he does not

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ORIGINAL: lbolm

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Um, lbolm, the Antichrist will come with ALL POWER, all signs, wonders and miracles.

Scripture and verse that proves for a fact that satan heals! That is all I ask for. Not the same old tired stuff about the anti-christ blah,blah.

satan must really like the way that some of you build him up into some great thing.

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ORIGINAL: lbolm

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Give me solid proof he does not

The burden of proof rest in your court since it was you that said that satan heals, and I challenged you to prove it. You can't, because there is NOT ONE scripture that says that. Why do you insist on building up satan? he is already defeated and has no right to a Blood Bought Born Again believer. Though he may try, unless God gives him permission, he has no right to you or I either one.

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First, let me introduce myself. I am an Israeli tour guide, live in Jerusalem and visit the pool of Bethesda rather often. The archeology of the site provides some insights into the passage in John. It was a place for the worship of the Hellenistic god of healing in the first century. Everybody knew that at the time the book of John was written. It was not necessary to write something that obvious nor was it necessary to tell people that the angel was a visitation from the god. They called him an angel so that is what is written. There is no problem with the text if you understand the context. Jesus went to a place of Hellenistic power and confronted a fake. His method was to do a wonderful miracle for the sickest guy there.

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Satan looks to counterfit all that is Holy. Satan looks to bring as many to destruction as possible by any means.

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The burden of proof rest in your court since it was you that said that satan heals, and I challenged you to prove it. You can't, because there is NOT ONE scripture that says that.

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ORIGINAL: lbolm

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Satan looks to counterfit all that is Holy. Satan looks to bring as many to destruction as possible by any means.

And again we agree ![:)]
You see, we really are not that far apart on some things.
I just have a problem with those that build up a Big satan and seem to leave us vunerable to the very one we have been given victory over.
That doesn't mean I am never challenged by satan, but in ALL HONESTY, most of what gets attributed to satan is from our own self and we are to self centered to look iside and see that it is us and not satan that is failing.
Just as Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed the woman, most of us are looking for a scapegoat to put the blame on. JESUS CHRIST has already played that role out 2000 years ago and , we that are in Him are no longer subjects of the devil.

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ORIGINAL: crownofbeauty

I was watching Todd Bentley online last night to see for myself about everything I keep hearing about.

His entire message (of what I saw...I didn't watch it all) was that he was preaching to the people that they need to get back that "raw hunger" for God.

Then he went on that if there are those there (or watching) that had a miracle in the past and has lost it, that they can reclaim it. He was saying that if anyone had a healing and "lost it", they know what it "felt" like to get that healing. He said can get that healing back. This really disturbed me. There is no reference in the Bible that when Jesus healed, anyone lost their healing. If these people at the service "lost a healing"...how can you say that they were truly healed? What is he talking about???

I didn't watch it all...it was all so repetitive and he seems to know how to get the crowd worked up emotionally. It seems very emotionally driven from what I saw.

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well solarflare,

this is getting longwinded, as I said, I do not advocate Bently as yet, i would need to watch him and listen to him,

i was making what i think a valid point about his words being misinterpreted and misquoted and taken out of context,

He does talk about angels, and named one, just because you found a reference to a denomic thing with a sim. name proves nothing.

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Is this a court of law that there is a burden of proof? You take a statement "statan" cannot heal or counterfit healing. There is biblical evidence to the contray, yet you ignore it since it is not a "direct statement." The bible doesn't make direct statments about many things.

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ORIGINAL: hellochurch

well solarflare,

this is getting longwinded, as I said, I do not advocate Bently as yet, i would need to watch him and listen to him,

i was making what i think a valid point about his words being misinterpreted and misquoted and taken out of context,

He does talk about angels, and named one, just because you found a reference to a denomic thing with a sim. name proves nothing.

I found Gabriel on a link that took me to a witchcraft site, and we know Gabriel is in our book.

I am just advocating accurate analysis, not based on hype or inaccurate representations, which is what was going on on that site i linked off a page here to, at the suggestion of someone on this site,

it was wrongful representation and twisting of what the man said, and i think out of prejudging and already deciding he is off, so the author of that decided to help the guy look really off.

that is not accurate analysis looking for the truth.

i do not believe bently ever said bow the knee to any angel nor that God told him to forget jesus and preach on emma, and i am sure bently never said to worship any angel named emma.

The truth is, there could be a real God's angel named Emma.

There could definitely be one. It doesnt sound likely, because it is not a biblical name like those we know, and yes there i deception out there,

but for example the writer on this thread that mentions
Bently baptisizes in the name of BAM. This is just such a false representation that I am embarassed for whoever said it.

I listend to and watched Bently saying this word again and again, it is a Bently-ism, like solarflare is a you-ism, he is describing in his own unique way and exclaiming about it, the power of the Holy SPirit touching someone.

I might say "help them Holy SPirit," and it would mean the same thing, to say he is baptizing in the name of Bam, this person saying this has watched for less of bently than even me, and I have hardly seen any.

This i just [plain wrong and not what is going on at all.

it even sounds kind of paranoid, like a fear statement, bently is the bad guy and going to get us.

for me it is yet to be shown me why and how he is not ok, apart from strange attire and style, strange to me, but also
southern baptist white shoes with leisure suit was also strange in the same way, and i did not attribute angel worship to any of those guys i listened to. take the weird duck bill gelled hairdo that they also sported, bently has a diff. style that is hard for me to step over, but this is not a valid spsiritual criticism in and of itself.

i admit emma an angel is questionable, since the scripture all speaks of what appeard as male angels, but since angels have no sex, female looking ones could exist. think of how many angels have been sent to minister to and for the heirs of salvation, us!

do not fear ,but trust the Lord, re discernment, if in doubt about any person stay disconnected from them, but dont tear anyone down with untruths.

ie this is how I apply things to people ihear on tv, i compare what they say with scripture, ie the copeland teachings iheard, i checked them out, the teachings that is , even though i have heard criticism about the people and all the bashing that went on about them, blab and grab claim and name, etc. i found what they were saying not to be what they werwe criticized for, i read the scriptures and looked at what the bible said, and copeland was telling the truth about the bible teachings.

i cannot check copeland out, not really, i can to a degree, but i am not omniscient, so I ask the Lord todo that for me, and trust in him,
what copeland said taht day about the covenant and what we have from God is bible truth, we do have the blessing of abe. we do have it thru jesus, we do have promises of things in the word of God that belong to us, there were many ting that the jews operated intheir covenant, including financial blessings, which now belong to us, when we came in through Jesus, this is not 'prosperity gospel'it is simple BIBLE.
THIS IS BIBLE, NOT COPELAND. THAT IS THE DIFF. for me.

re your comment on what i said about THE NAME of the L O R D, was not to impress you, it was to open up the scripture i was referring and the meaning of
"they cannot say that JESUS IS LORD" unless byt he HOLY SPIRIT, the meaning of this scripture is that they cannot understand nor have it revealed to them that JESUS IS L O R D , IE I DO NOT MEAN ONLY THE SON OF GOD THE ONE SENT TO EARTH, but that
JESUS IS GOD THE LORD ALMIGHTY, unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them, and there is more to this announcing of Jesus as LORD, it is a person exclamation of one who has received the gospel good news and is understanding it and accepting it, it means that they understand
YAH' SHUAH, GOD THE LORD ALMIGHTY SAVES AND DELIVERS THEM, IT IS A PERSONAL FAITH STATEMENT OR EXCLAMATION, NOT JUST THE RECITING A PHRASE.

wHEN SOMEONE RECEIVES THE WORDOF GOD AND BELIEVES, JESUS BECOMES THEIR LORD, AND THIS IS ALSO STATED IN THAT PHRASE, WHICH I THINK Is WHAT IT MEANS, AND BENTLY IS

BENTLY IS SAYING THAT, HE IS SAYING THAT JESUS IS HIS LORD, AND THAT HE HAS ACCEPTED HIS SALVATION, AND CALLS HIM HIS GOD.

I AM POSITIVE NO BOWING TO ANGELS,

Thank you for caring about me, and being concerned that i be not deceived, it is very vital and serious a matter. I know now what you are sayingp- bowing to an angel, if this man's source is not the True God, then what is his source.

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i really felt it was a site set up NOT to look fairly at what he was saying, but to TRY to find something that could possibly be STRETCHED into being used against him.

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Thanks peacebringer. I was 'afraid' I'd have to go over all that again. [8|]

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Anyway, I am not in agreement with you. I don't care to compare notes to see what we do and do not agree on. There is only one thing to agree on - wht God's word says. Not what we think or how close to our beliefs we can come.