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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 8:55:01 AM
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Greetings! Only The One does The Works of God; Him alone; without anyone's careful observation as written: The Kingdom does not come by your careful observation. It is among you.
Gamelial, Paul's teacher, said: Leave them alone, if what they are doing is not from God it will come to nothing. If what they are doing is from God you will only find yourself opposing God. Many parts, One Body! To Him forever be The Praise and Glory. Jesus said: I in The Father, The Father in Me. You in Me as I am in The Father. That they may be as one as We are One. No one comes to The Father but by Me and no one comes to the son unless The Father draws them. No one knows The Father except The Son and those to whom He chooses to reveal. But He would not entrust Himself to all of them for He knew all men already. If you have faith In Me: Greater things will I do for you in MY NAME for I am going to The Father. To your amazement, The Father Will show The Son Greater things than the works which I do at this time because I only do what I see The Father doing and I do not speak on my own but only what The Father has taught Me. Therefore, it is written: Before Abraham and Isaac 'I AM'. For The Father had spoken this through The Son of Man to bring Glory to HIS NAME. He said through Jesus: Unless you believe that IAM you will die in your sins. For The Spirit and The Father were working through the full emobidment outpouring after His Baptism in the Jordan. jesus said: but if I do speak on my own my testimony is valid in John.
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I think that it is wise to regard the Works of God as Sovereign and then to add to our faith knowledge as written.
I think it's wiser to be sure those claiming to do the Works of God are in compliance with the Word of God.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 9:00:53 AM
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Greetings! It is written: some who are standing here will not taste death before they see The Kingdom of God coming with Power. It is also written in the Prophets of God regarding the Ladder vision that Jacob received whereby Heavenly Hosts were descending and ascending upon The Ladder's steps which represents The Anointed One to whom all authority in Heaven and Earth is given as written in The Gospel of Grace. Jesus said this while on earth in the past tense. He said what if you see me Ascend to where I Was Before.
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Huh? How does Heaven draw closer to earth? And what is the One New Man?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 9:33:14 AM
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Whenever the people of God have wandered away from simple faith and love for Jesus, whenever God's people have gotten down and discouraged and need to rejoice anew in God's living power, it's time for a revival.
I would agree it's time for revival in the individual hearts of men when they have wandered away from God, when they have backslidden, when their sin has separated them from Him...and that revival comes from repentance.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 11:23:37 AM
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Whenever the people of God have wandered away from simple faith and love for Jesus, whenever God's people have gotten down and discouraged and need to rejoice anew in God's living power, it's time for a revival.
I would agree it's time for revival in the individual hearts of men when they have wandered away from God, when they have backslidden, when their sin has separated them from Him...and that revival comes from repentance.
Very well said - s believer's focus needs to be Jesus Christ, the "author and perfecter of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2), not on oneself, ones experiences, or even the Holy Spirit.
Lakeland on the latter, to the detriment of Biblical faith. Believers can have fun, dance, sing, even shout to the Lord. However, when a worship service resembles the dream of a demented schizophrenic, and attributed to the work of the Holy Spirit, only one word comes to mind: heresy.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 4:32:09 PM
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Today's latest gem:
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I shared this with our members the other day and thought I would share it here as it seems their are a lot of people that are judging Todd Bentley:(
Today’s Bible Verse, Thought & Prayer for 07-02-08
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2/NIV
Thought…
Jesus is concerned that we not have a critical spirit toward others, especially about their motives as to why they did something. We can’t assume to know another person’s heart; only God can. When we are unfairly critical, overly harsh, or unduly judgmental, we need to remember that God will use that same standard on us. I don’t know about you, but I need grace. So do those I love. I’m going to try very hard to be as gracious toward others as I’m trusting that God is going to be gracious with me.
Prayer…
Forgive me, Abba Father, for the times that I’ve been far more critical of others than I should be. Arouse within me a passion to be gracious toward others so that they can see your graciousness shining through me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 4:57:44 PM
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Well earthless, last time i looked the Word of God says "you will know them by thier fruit"
that is simply the type of judgment we need to make. God is not stupid. We make judgments all the time.. we need to judge to see if milk is spoiled or fresh so that we can drink it.
We need to judge to see if something is sin or not.
We need to judge and test the spirits to see if they be of God, like the Bereans did.
We cannnot judge if someone is unsaved, thats the only thing Scripture tells us not to judge but to leave that to the Father.
The god of this world has blinded some people's eyes. and if the blind lead the blind they both will fall in the ditch.
remember Jesus said the parable about the wheat and the tares. Jesus said not to uproot the tares lest they also tear up the wheat.. but let them both exist and then on the day that the field is reaped, bring all the wheat and tares into the barn and thats when they will be separated, the wheat into the Kingdom of God and the tares to the fire.
I think thats why these things are left to exist today. They are tares among the wheat.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 7:11:21 PM
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However, when a worship service resembles the dream of a demented schizophrenic, and attributed to the work of the Holy Spirit, only one word comes to mind: heresy.
Knowing your careful use of words, this one sent me to the dictionary.
schizophrenia
from Merriam-Webster online
1 : a psychotic disorder characterized by loss of contact with the environment, by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life, and by disintegration of personality expressed as disorder of feeling, thought (as delusions), perception (as hallucinations), and behavior —called also dementia praecox — compare paranoid schizophrenia
2 : contradictory or antagonistic qualities or attitudes
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 7:12:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
Today's latest gem:
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I shared this with our members the other day and thought I would share it here as it seems their are a lot of people that are judging Todd Bentley:(
Today’s Bible Verse, Thought & Prayer for 07-02-08
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2/NIV
Thought…
Jesus is concerned that we not have a critical spirit toward others, especially about their motives as to why they did something. We can’t assume to know another person’s heart; only God can. When we are unfairly critical, overly harsh, or unduly judgmental, we need to remember that God will use that same standard on us. I don’t know about you, but I need grace. So do those I love. I’m going to try very hard to be as gracious toward others as I’m trusting that God is going to be gracious with me.
Prayer…
Forgive me, Abba Father, for the times that I’ve been far more critical of others than I should be. Arouse within me a passion to be gracious toward others so that they can see your graciousness shining through me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
Regards,
The Joseph V. Bednarsky Jr. Ministries Forum Team.
I'd say this man does not have a true understanding of God's Word.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 8:12:10 PM
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wintery
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Gamelial, Paul's teacher, said: Leave them alone, if what they are doing is not from God it will come to nothing. If what they are doing is from God you will only find yourself opposing God. Many parts, One Body! To Him forever be The Praise and Glory.
Hello cybrjewls,
Did it occur to you that them saying their bit and me saying mine actually _is_ leaving them alone?
Nobody is going as far as old Gamaliel who sat quietly while the Apostles were beaten and ordered not to speak anything in the name of Jesus.
And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
(Acts 5:40)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 10:06:06 PM
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cybrjewls
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Agreed. Adequate sound Doctrinal analysis is always welcome to enhance people's discernment abilities regarding Holy Scriptual precepts.
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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
Gamelial, Paul's teacher, said: Leave them alone, if what they are doing is not from God it will come to nothing. If what they are doing is from God you will only find yourself opposing God. Many parts, One Body! To Him forever be The Praise and Glory.
Hello cybrjewls,
Did it occur to you that them saying their bit and me saying mine actually _is_ leaving them alone?
Nobody is going as far as old Gamaliel who sat quietly while the Apostles were beaten and ordered not to speak anything in the name of Jesus.
And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
(Acts 5:40)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 10:09:52 PM
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Some call it Worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth.
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ORIGINAL: ChristopjerJ
Whenever the people of God have wandered away from simple faith and love for Jesus, whenever God's people have gotten down and discouraged and need to rejoice anew in God's living power, it's time for a revival.
I would agree it's time for revival in the individual hearts of men when they have wandered away from God, when they have backslidden, when their sin has separated them from Him...and that revival comes from repentance.
Very well said - s believer's focus needs to be Jesus Christ, the "author and perfecter of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2), not on oneself, ones experiences, or even the Holy Spirit.
Lakeland on the latter, to the detriment of Biblical faith. Believers can have fun, dance, sing, even shout to the Lord. However, when a worship service resembles the dream of a demented schizophrenic, and attributed to the work of the Holy Spirit, only one word comes to mind: heresy.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 10:12:16 PM
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wintery
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Agreed. Adequate sound Doctrinal analysis is always welcome to enhance people's discernment abilities regarding Holy Scriptual precepts.
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ORIGINAL: wintery
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ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
Gamelial, Paul's teacher, said: Leave them alone, if what they are doing is not from God it will come to nothing. If what they are doing is from God you will only find yourself opposing God. Many parts, One Body! To Him forever be The Praise and Glory.
Hello cybrjewls,
Did it occur to you that them saying their bit and me saying mine actually _is_ leaving them alone?
Nobody is going as far as old Gamaliel who sat quietly while the Apostles were beaten and ordered not to speak anything in the name of Jesus.
And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
(Acts 5:40)
Cool! Thanks.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 10:16:06 PM
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cybrjewls
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So problematic to some to repent and confess sins so that they may receive forgiveness.
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ORIGINAL: earthless
Today's latest gem:
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I shared this with our members the other day and thought I would share it here as it seems their are a lot of people that are judging Todd Bentley:(
Today’s Bible Verse, Thought & Prayer for 07-02-08
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2/NIV
Thought…
Jesus is concerned that we not have a critical spirit toward others, especially about their motives as to why they did something. We can’t assume to know another person’s heart; only God can. When we are unfairly critical, overly harsh, or unduly judgmental, we need to remember that God will use that same standard on us. I don’t know about you, but I need grace. So do those I love. I’m going to try very hard to be as gracious toward others as I’m trusting that God is going to be gracious with me.
Prayer…
Forgive me, Abba Father, for the times that I’ve been far more critical of others than I should be. Arouse within me a passion to be gracious toward others so that they can see your graciousness shining through me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
Regards,
The Joseph V. Bednarsky Jr. Ministries Forum Team.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 10:30:26 AM
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cyber,
Why would I need to repent about discerning Todd's teachings and claims?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 3:51:56 PM
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cyber,
Why would I need to repent about discerning Todd's teachings and claims?
It's interesting.
I have been commanded to repent before the fires of hell got me too because I was willing to question whether Todd's teachings were Scriptural or not.
I think these Latter Rain folks are loading their Holy Spirit Machine Guns with blanks. . .
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 4:23:45 PM
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earthless
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Ben,
What makes it harder is when certain individuals can't seem to talk to you in a normal person to person manner. I wonder if they also speak like that to their local butcher, to their spouse, if that is how they talk at work or at the mall.
Or... if it is just something they "turn on" when they want to feel "spiritual" and a cut above.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 4:32:13 PM
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Ben,
What makes it harder is when certain individuals can't seem to talk to you in a normal person to person manner. I wonder if they also speak like that to their local butcher, to their spouse, if that is how they talk at work or at the mall.
Or... if it is just something they "turn on" when they want to feel "spiritual" and a cut above.
Of the ones that I know personally, it is nearly a 24/7 deal.
I have seen them out on the streets witnessing, which is good that they want to share Christ's love, but they come off as every other wacko that lives off the streets as well.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 8:34:49 PM
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haha! Charismatics likes to use the Gamaliel words....
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Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
Are they inspired by God or just a fleshy quote?
Should follow Paul's instructions of false teachings or Gamaliel? 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 9:13:36 PM
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I've gotten away from this thread but I'm right back again. After posting this one about the lack of leadership in my church, the Pastor mentioned this morning he's headed to Lakeland!! (I can't even find an appropriate smiley to put there) .... You've got to be kidding me!! Dh knew I was very upset. I actually really enjoyed church today, seemed like the Holy Spirit was actually doing something (being allowed to); then BAM! The service ended on a decidedly sour note for me. I told Pastor very briefly, after church, that there's a lot more to this guy than whatever hype he's heard. He said he knew, he had already talked to my friend mentioned in posts above - who went and was (thankfully) underwhelmed, and I think, after talking to my friend, he probably expected to be cornered by me after the service.
My Pastor, I think, is just having a "crisis of theology" - not a crisis of faith, just questioning his very conservative (Baptist) training. I guess that's good. And people do love him for his transparency - but that's what, to me, sometimes seems like a lack of leadership. If he wants to check out what's happening in Lakeland, I just really wish he'd not basically promoted it from stage in church before really knowing what's going on there.
I guess I'm holding out to see what the verdict is when he comes back. Dh knows if I'm sitting in church and he starts telling people this is a great (or even good or OK) thing, I'm out of there...mid-service! I think he thought I was going to get up and leave this morning. We'll see. To this point, I've viewed this (at least partly) as an issue of submission...but dh knows where my line is and when I'll finally have had my last straw at our church.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 11:18:10 PM
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cyber,
Why would I need to repent about discerning Todd's teachings and claims?
It's interesting.
I have been commanded to repent before the fires of hell got me too because I was willing to question whether Todd's teachings were Scriptural or not.
I think these Latter Rain folks are loading their Holy Spirit Machine Guns with blanks. . .
I've been deemed less than enlightened by Charasmaniacs as well. We aren't the ones kicking cancer patients in the stomach and we're less spiritual? Go figure.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/6/2008 11:39:06 PM
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cyber,
Why would I need to repent about discerning Todd's teachings and claims?
It's interesting.
I have been commanded to repent before the fires of hell got me too because I was willing to question whether Todd's teachings were Scriptural or not.
I think these Latter Rain folks are loading their Holy Spirit Machine Guns with blanks. . .
I've been deemed less than enlightened by Charasmaniacs as well. We aren't the ones kicking cancer patients in the stomach and we're less spiritual? Go figure.
This is really offensive and hurtful. I'm charismatic and condemn Lakeland and WOF unequivocally. What if I referred to you as a Fundeadmentalist? Wouldn't be too Christ-like would it? Again, really, really insulting.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/7/2008 12:05:28 AM
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I've been deemed less than enlightened by Charasmaniacs as well. We aren't the ones kicking cancer patients in the stomach and we're less spiritual? Go figure.
This is really offensive and hurtful. I'm charismatic and condemn Lakeland and WOF unequivocally. What if I referred to you as a Fundeadmentalist? Wouldn't be too Christ-like would it? Again, really, really insulting.
Son,
Notice the word used was "Charismaniacs", not "Charismatics."
I feel like it was an intentional play on words to make a point about these types.
I am also Charismatic, but I did not feel insulted by it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/7/2008 7:50:37 AM
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Notice the word used was "Charismaniacs", not "Charismatics."
I feel like it was an intentional play on words to make a point about these types.
I am also Charismatic, but I did not feel insulted by it.
I'm not either.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/7/2008 8:24:37 AM
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Son,
Notice the word used was "Charismaniacs", not "Charismatics."
I feel like it was an intentional play on words to make a point about these types.
I am also Charismatic, but I did not feel insulted by it.
Exactly...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/7/2008 8:55:10 AM
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Here is another video of Todd Bentley. This one is a water baptism service taking place the this past weekend I believe.
Again, very disturbing stuff. To me, a total disregard of the true meaning of baptism (just listen to the reasons people come forward for baptism), but more importantly a complete disregard of the holiness of God.
I really bothered me and angered me by Todd saying, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the bam!"
Or I baptize you in the name of the sheek-a-boom-ba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnXMMp-0yG0
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