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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 2:44:08 PM
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BrowneyedAL
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Oh, I've spoken of this friend PLENTY in the chat threads. Her unproductive use of money (and the way she's usually purposefully doing things that aren't productive, when she needs to do her work) is normal for her.... and her mom actually.
It really looks like that instead of buying a box of invitations, she bought individual Hallmark greeting cards and sent them out like invitations. So they spent $3 on each invitation and probably a ton on the party itself.  I can't say I'm surprised though... she spends money like it's nothing (and it's not her money). But of course, all the stuff she buys she "needs."
I think this hits on a big part of the problem Tami...it's really hard to appreciate something that has no real value to you. In your friends case, she's never had to work for what she has (besides the money stuff...I remember you mentioning that she was 'home schooled' when the work in her school got too difficult for her) so it's nothing for her to take it for granted...it's why she takes school for granted and why she thinks nothing about spending money.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 2:50:16 PM
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I agree with that, its easy to spend money if you don't have to account for it. (someone else pays the bills, etc).
But then if she ever gets on her own then she is going to have a hard time working with the money she does have, and want her parents to bail her out.
Unfortunately there are a few adults whose parents still support them even when they get their own homes and apartments. I knew several adults like this, they never bothered to try to get out on their own because then they couldn't spend their paychecks on their toys. If you don't have to pay rent, bills, food etc then its nice to have all that disposable income and it'll be a shock to her to find out how much money it takes to survive in real life.
(I mean those adults who are able to work full time, I am not talking about disabled people or other special circumstances)
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 5:25:15 PM
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I don't hear about too many students getting to just skipping subjects when they don't "get" them
Well, in all fairness, that does happen to some extent in schools too. Most high schools have several different tracts(pre college, vocational, basic, etc.), and many students take as little math and science as possible.
HOWEVER, I think it is completely unfair for her to be at your school. I don't necessarily have a problem with her parents having pulled her out of school. However, she should have then taken her GED, and then before she ever went to your school, if she decided to go to college, she should have seen if she could prove herself at a 2 year college first, and take math and science there (at least some).
Of course, I took as little math and science as I could too, and didn't take it in jr. college before I went to the 4 year college(although I should have), however at the four year college, I took what I had to, and it WAS extremely difficult for me, but at least I worked at it. I did all the homework, all the readings, went to the teachers for help, etc. The math was pass/fail, and the first time I failed it, but I took it again and passed it. I didn't get a high grade in the science either, but I took it again and got a better grade the second time, too. Both times the teachers liked me (well, not the first math teacher, but the second math teacher and the science teacher did-science was the same teacher both classes-because they said, although they could tell I had difficulties, they said no one applied themselves like I did. Your "friend," not so much.
Plus, even though I didn't take maths and sciences at the 2 year college like I should have, I did take 40 units at the 2 year college to show myself worthy of going to the 4 year college. Even though WHAT I took wasn't what it should have been, at least I proved myself in college courses before I tried to go straight to a 4 year college.
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ONCE AGAIN, I SAY, THIS "FRIEND" IS A LIVING TEXTBOOK TO TEACH WHY COLLEGE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT ALL CREATED THE SAME. MY DAD ALWAYS SAID, "WE ALWAYS NEED A FEW HEWERS OF WOOD AND DRAWERS OF WATER,' WHICH TODAY TRANSLATES TO, WE ALWAYS NEED STORE CLERKS, WAITRESSES, JANITORS,ECT. THERE IS NOTHING SHAMEFUL IN ANY OF THOSE JOBS, SO LONG AS THEY ARE DONE TO THE GLORY OF GOD, AND DONE WELL. PEOPLE LIKE THIS JUST WASTE THE TIME OF TEACHERS WHO SHOULD BE HELPING THE KIDS THA T BELONG THERE. BACK IN THE DAY, COLLEGE WAS FOR THE BRIGHTEST AND BEST AND MOST DILLIGENT, THEN THE POLITCALLY CORRECT POWERS THAT BE DECIDED THAT "EVERYONE" NEEDED A DEGREE. THEN THE COLLEGES CHANGED, AND A DEGREE DOESN'T MEAN WHAT IT USED TO ANYMORE. ok, off of soapbox
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 5:35:41 PM
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What got me was that they told me she didn't understand math and science (her mom told me she didn't understand it either though),
THOSE are the kind of home schoolers that make other homeschoolers look bad. ALL of the homeschoolers at our church that don't understand a certain subject, have someone else tutor their kid in that subject.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 5:55:09 PM
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I have a quick sec. What I meant by the math/sci. thing was that no one in my high school could skip it altogether and still graduate, and most homeschoolers I know don't skip it. If I HAD skipped it in hs, I wouldn't have graduated. We did have some maths that weren't as hard...like instead of trig./advanced math you could take an easier one. I just took Alg. I, Alg. II, Geo., and Trig/Adv Math...then sciences I took Bio., Physics, Chem...and something else whose name is escaping me.
She graduated without math and science completely...I don't think even basic algebra. Does that make sense? I do understand that the subjects aren't easy; I hated them all in hs... I just couldn't graduate without taking some kind of math and science. But the thing about it is, they never tried a tutor. They just kind of gave up on everything.
Okay.... more grad school searching... :)
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 6:05:16 PM
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Well, some high schools graduate kids with just business math or basic math. That's what I was trying to say. All I had was 2 trimesters Alg.IA(well I had 3 trimesters, but I failed the last, and Business Math. I homeschooled my last two years too, but it was through correspondence with an accredited school. In retrospect, though, I wish I would have just taken the GED (although I did also take that), and just started afresh with jr. college, because everytime I sat down with a counselor at the jr. college, they always gave me grief about my bad high school record, and then my sister, who homeschooled since 8th grade, got her GED, and just used that, and offered them no high school transcript at all, and they gave her no grief, and she got all A's in jr. college, and in her four year college, also got all A's except for one B. I'm not saying what your friend's family did was right, I'm just saying that she is not the only high school grad with minimal math. I don't know how exactly she "graduated" (I mean, was it an actual home based correspondence school like mine, or did her parents just "give" her a diploma?) , but what she really needed to do was take the GED, and then get an AA before she ever came to your school.
Really, I'm on your side, she doesn't belong at your school. I'm just sayin g she isn''t the only being out there that is math and science deficient. If I could go back and change the way I did things, I would. Part of my problem WAS lack of comprehension, but part of it was wasting time/procrastinating too much (in high school, that is, I became dilligent in college, I figured why waste the money).
I'm very math/science deficient too, but in college I at least did my work and (almost) always had my nose to the books, I don't think your friend even made up for that lack at all.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 6:15:17 PM
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Well, some high schools graduate kids with just business math or basic math. That's what I was trying to say. All I had was 2 trimesters Alg.IA(well I had 3 trimesters, but I failed the last, and Business Math. I homeschooled my last two years too, but it was through correspondence with an accredited school. In retrospect, though, I wish I would have just taken the GED (although I did also take that), and just started afresh with jr. college, because everytime I sat down with a counselor at the jr. college, they always gave me grief about my bad high school record, and then my sister, who homeschooled since 8th grade, got her GED, and just used that, and offered them no high school transcript at all, and they gave her no grief, and she got all A's in jr. college, and in her four year college, also got all A's except for one B. I'm not saying what your friend's family did was right, I'm just saying that she is not the only high school grad with minimal math. I don't know how exactly she "graduated" (I mean, was it an actual home based correspondence school like mine, or did her parents just "give" her a diploma?) , but what she really needed to do was take the GED, and then get an AA before she ever came to your school.
I'm not sure how exactly they were homeschooling. I say graduate to mean she has some kind of diploma...I think. (Not sure how all that happened.) I hope that even if she got into college via her parents they still required a diploma/GED unless you're still in hs and doing college courses.
The thing is though, she didn't have minimal math-- that was what I was getting at. She had no math whatsoever (or science), and I don't think I've ever seen that happen and the person still got a hs diploma. I'm sure it does happen, but most I know at least take busness math (or cont. math) and either geo. or some kind of algebra. She took no maths and no sciences at all. I meant to say though, she did go to a comm. college, but she never took math and sciences while she was there...not the natural ones. The only things I think she took (from just hearing her talk) were maybe gen. psychology and an appreciation class. She said she might try to go back to do some science, but that's if they'll let her transfer it back... they get picky about that for some reason.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 6:24:31 PM
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Yeah, I at least completed Earth Science and Biology. I thought it was kind of weird when the jr. college counselors would get on my case for my bad high school transcript. I felt like saying, "Uh, why do you think I'm here and not at Harvard?" OK, no math AT ALL, that makes no sense. The high school I went to for 9th and the first half of 10th grade offered 3 tracks: General, Business, and Pre College. The General program required ALMOST no math, but they did require a year of General math. I honestly don't see how this girl got into Stamford with nothing, unless her parents know some admissions person on the inside or something.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 6:55:37 PM
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I took all the pre college math and I still had to take a remedial class when I started college.
Now I am not the best math student (average) but a lot of people aren't prepared for college math. There were several who had to take several remedial math classes just to start the general classes at college. I think our high school standards aren't high enough. You shouldn't be able to get As and Bs in high school math and then be told your skills aren't enough. The only ones that were prepared were the ones in the AP math class.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 7:04:07 PM
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There were several who had to take several remedial math classes just to start the general classes at college.
That's what I would've had to do if I had stayed at the 2 year college longer (and should have) but at the four year college, the remedial math class was equivalent to HS alg. IandII, and I did pass it. If I could do it all over, I would stay at the jr. college, start with the lowest math, and keep going up, so that I could really get a grasp of it.
Although, then again, I really didn't want to go to college at all, I knew it wasn't my thing, but I caved to that societal pressure, and I wish I hadn't.
The saddest thing of all about my bad math brain is that my mom has a math degree and loves math, plus she was a dilligent, competent student who caught on easily (National Merit Scholar). "Why, oh Why did I not get those genes?," I often lament  . And no, I'm not adopted. And yes, my dad was bright too (one pre med degree and two master's, one in divinity, and one military related). Thankfully, though, they never loved me less or looked down on me for not being like they were.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/24/2008 11:01:07 PM
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I took all the pre college math and I still had to take a remedial class when I started college.
Now I am not the best math student (average) but a lot of people aren't prepared for college math. There were several who had to take several remedial math classes just to start the general classes at college. I think our high school standards aren't high enough. You shouldn't be able to get As and Bs in high school math and then be told your skills aren't enough. The only ones that were prepared were the ones in the AP math class.
 And it isn't just with math classes either. I was in a freshman level english class (that I couldn't get out of) and I proofread papers for people who could hardly write a complete sentence. The professor routinely returned my rough drafts with no comments, as though there was no room for improvement. I think her standards were too low.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/25/2008 12:12:37 PM
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Hi everybody. I hope you all have a good day.
Is Memorial weekend this weekend in the US?
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/25/2008 4:45:51 PM
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I agree with that, its easy to spend money if you don't have to account for it. (someone else pays the bills, etc).
But then if she ever gets on her own then she is going to have a hard time working with the money she does have, and want her parents to bail her out.
Unfortunately there are a few adults whose parents still support them even when they get their own homes and apartments. I knew several adults like this, they never bothered to try to get out on their own because then they couldn't spend their paychecks on their toys. If you don't have to pay rent, bills, food etc then its nice to have all that disposable income and it'll be a shock to her to find out how much money it takes to survive in real life.
(I mean those adults who are able to work full time, I am not talking about disabled people or other special circumstances)
The thing that the parents you are referring to fail to consider is what will happen to their 'children' when they aren't around anymore. They are setting them up for a very very hard life.
If a child loses his or her parents while they are still a child, there are many different ways in which society 'pitches in' to help the child (Foster care, Social Security payments to a family member that takes them on, group homes, etc.) however when an adult 'child' loses their parents society (rightfully) expects them to stand on their own two feet.
Parents that continue to support and regularly 'bail out' their children well into adulthood are preventing them from learning how to live without them and the natural order of things says that it's highly likely that they will, in fact, have to live with out them at some point in life.
Some (financially successful) indulgent parents may believe that this isn't a worry because they will leave their children a substantial inheritance...however, as many lottery winners find, just because they receive a one-time windfall doesn't mean they are set for life. If they've never learned how to manage money...that one time 'windfall' will only result in increased spending for a time until that money is gone and suddenly they will find themselves with no understanding of how to support themselves and no one left to fall back on. What a rude awakening that must be! Certainly that would have to be more difficult than learning little by little throughout life.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/25/2008 5:28:32 PM
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Beth- I understand your frustrations. At least your students can read on grade level!! I have 6th graders that can barely read on a 2nd grade level. I have discovered too though that the American system expects students to do more for themselves than other systems. A lot of my students come in and expect that I am simply going to tell them everything that they need to know. They are suppose to be sponges and soak up everything that I say. But then I expect that they are going to do some work on their own. I want to teach them how to learn, not just teach them the information. I have several students that have gotten pretty frustrated with me when I tell them to go look up a definition or something like that. Where they are from- the teacher just gives them the definition - the student is not expected to ask questions and find information on their own. Keep working with your girls- they will be better students later on for having to read directions twice and not have everything handed to them.
I don't know what Alabama law is on the GED. I know that in Oklahoma, it is not required for homeschool students. As in a homeschool diploma is just as valid as one from the public school is (and my sister and I have proved this - colleges take her homeschool diploma same as they did my public school one). But the homeschooler still has to meet the same graduation requirements as the public school students do. So long as they have the same number of credis (including 3 maths and 2 sciences) the student is not looked at any differently. I can tell you that my brother wishes this was different as he is ready to be done with high school but still needs to finish some work in Math and English to be able to have a high school diploma that would work if he ever wanted to go to college (he doesn't right now which is why he is ready to be done). But even if AL law is similar to OK, I am not sure how she managed to get a diploma that would work even in a junior college without some math and science. The really sad part is that eventually her parents will die and then she will have nobody to give her everything. She will have a wake-up call eventually and it will be scary because for the first time in her life, she will have to do things on her own and she won't know how (because everything will have been given to her for 40-50 + years!!!)
Panic moment!!!!!!!!!! I fly out in 21 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In 3 weeks I am expected to have everything done at school (including the complete packing of my classroom since the school is moving over the summer) finish 2 projects, and pack to move 5,000 miles across the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I mention all of the normal end-of-the-year activities (like banquets, graduation (which I have to finish planning/doing for the 6th graders)!!!!!!!!!!, cleaning out desks....), and parties because I am leaving???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet here I sit just thinking about all of the things that I need to do, but have no motivation to do them. Start packing???? Who am I kidding?? The best time to pack will be 5 days before I leave. Work on any of these projects??? Why would I spend my weekend doing them??? Spending time with friends?? Now that is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All of the singles had lunch at one of our kids' parents' house today. It was a lot of fun!!!!!
In the middle of writing this post, my electricity just went off. There are no storms going on and it is Sunday evening- why would anybody be working on any lines and cut them????????????? Sometimes things in this country just don't make sense. I wonder how long it will be off this time??? There are times when it does this and it is off for hours!!!!!!!!! It just came back on which I am glad for - spending the evening without electricity didn't sound like a lot of fun 
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/25/2008 8:22:43 PM
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I don't know what Alabama law is on the GED. I know that in Oklahoma, it is not required for homeschool students. As in a homeschool diploma is just as valid as one from the public school is (and my sister and I have proved this - colleges take her homeschool diploma same as they did my public school one). But the homeschooler still has to meet the same graduation requirements as the public school students do. So long as they have the same number of credis (including 3 maths and 2 sciences) the student is not looked at any differently. I can tell you that my brother wishes this was different as he is ready to be done with high school but still needs to finish some work in Math and English to be able to have a high school diploma that would work if he ever wanted to go to college (he doesn't right now which is why he is ready to be done). But even if AL law is similar to OK, I am not sure how she managed to get a diploma that would work even in a junior college without some math and science. The really sad part is that eventually her parents will die and then she will have nobody to give her everything. She will have a wake-up call eventually and it will be scary because for the first time in her life, she will have to do things on her own and she won't know how (because everything will have been given to her for 40-50 + years!!!)
I have a quick sec before I have to do some work. I just wanted to say something til I come back...
I think in my friend's case, there was some lying going on. I figured there HAD to be if she got a diploma and was totally devoid of math and science. I had always wondered how she got through it in high school... just from seeing the way it's hard for her to do any math IRL. Other than addition (maybe a little simple mult./division), it seems like she can't do any math whatsoever. Stuff that I and everyone else would use in everyday life (outside of class), like being able to add simple decimals or fractions...she can't do. I admit that some things from algebra and geometry I never use, but some stuff I do. She told me school in general was always harder for her...from the time she first started. I think her parents thought homeschooling would give her individual attention. She would have probably ended up far behind in regular school.
But then I wonder what she's thinking will happen when she HAS to take and HAS to pass math and science in college with no one's help. She might be able to get someone to do her homework for her... but not exams and quizzes. She told me earlier that she wants to take Contemporary Math (I'm not sure if they call it that at every college.) Thing is, I took that math my very first semester here. It's the lowest math other than remedial... I didn't need remedial, but I didn't want to take precal either. (I've taken it since then.) That class was difficult to me and I know a few others who failed, but it IS math that you might need in life. I got a good grade, but I almost lost my sanity. Precal was actually easier for me...but I just have a hatred of mathematics anyway. I'll do it; I just hate it. 
She told me that's why she's putting both math and sciences off, but it seems like that would make it worse. It seems logical to try to take that first, or audit it to see if I need to try to go elsewhere to take it. Or audit it a few times THEN take it for credit... I'm probably going to do that with orgo II.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/26/2008 3:08:58 AM
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hi ladies, I am not really new to crosswalk, just new to this thread, but thought that I could get involved. Name is sherry
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/26/2008 3:09:28 AM
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Frustration rant coming!!!
It is 4 in the morning and I am wide awake!!!!!!!!!!! Not sure what I did wrong yesterday afternoon. I slept for about 30 min around 4, but that shouldn't have been enough to mess me up at night. It took forever for me to fall asleep (like almost midnight) and then to wake up at 3:30 wide awake does not help. Let's just say that I will be finding the coffee in a couple of hours to help try to stay awake during the day. The other half of the coin is that when I have slept, I have had weird, random dreams. Don't really remember them, other than waking up and thinking that it had been a strange dream. I have done pretty well as sleeping over the past couple of months. Maybe it is just because time is running short here and my brain is starting to get ahead of my body. I don't know, but I hope I don't repeat the expirence all week long. I can do one night of little sleep (again, lots of coffee in the morning  ) but I can't do a whole week of that like I did in college - it just doesn't work anymore.
Okay, I am off to explore other and "new" parts of the board since I am awake and my brain doesn't seem to be paying attention to what time it is.
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RE: May Flowers....Women's Chat Thread - 5/26/2008 5:36:39 AM
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beth- sounds like an interesting day Several years from now, you will laugh about the time he put a cheerio in his ear
I never did really fall back to sleep- so it may be a long day. Okay, I need to get dressed and find some coffee!!
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Her mom was homeschooling her, and she and her mom are the ones that told me that one day when I was just hanging around. I don't hear about too many students getting to just skipping subjects when they don't "get" them (homeschooled or otherwise). 
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