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Baby/Toddler Chat (take 3)
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| I love shirts with saying on them!!! |
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| I don't mind shirts with sayings on them |
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| It depends on the saying on the shirt whether I like it or not |
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| I generally don't like or dislike shirts with sayings |
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| I dislike shirts with sayings of any kind on them |
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| I refuse to buy them for my kids, but will accept them as gifts |
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| We don't allow them to be worn even if they were given it by someone |
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| My favorite saying on a shirt is...______ |
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| My least favorite saying on a shirt is..._____ |
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| I have no opinion |
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(last vote on : 7/18/2008 2:29:32 PM)
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 3:09:22 PM
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manda59
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Christina
I know you are upset, but they were only being normal, curious little boys. Yes, the book had sentimental value, but it is only a book, and it can hopefully be repaired, or the information transcribed.
Though I empathise with your frustration and upset, it honestly is not a good idea to spank in anger, and especially when your two will likely have absolutely no idea why they have been spanked, especially the younger one, and be probably be very frightened and anxious. I would respectfully suggest that you make up with them as soon as possible.
And now that you know that your boys are being more adventurous, it would be a good idea to make doubly sure that anything special is locked away or totally out of reach.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 3:35:10 PM
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Sideways
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I both disagree and agree with Manda. I think spanking is perfectly ok for destruction of property. Even if Christina was angry, I'm sure she didn't abuse the boys, and small children need to be punished immediately, not an hour later when mom has calmed down. And I'll bet you good money that they both knew it was wrong to rip up a book.
But I do think that Manda was right in recommending that anything that precious be under lock and key, where there's no chance they could get to it.
I am very sorry for your loss, Christina.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 4:57:31 PM
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Georgia-Peach
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Congrats, Jae on Jadon sleeping in his crib!
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 6:16:10 PM
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manda59
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I think spanking is perfectly ok for destruction of property.....And I'll bet you good money that they both knew it was wrong to rip up a book.
You reckon a one and a half year old would know it was wrong? I personally shouldn't think so, he probably just copied what his brother did, thinking that the paper made a fun rustly noise, like wrapping paper does when you rip it off a present that you've been given, and everyone's excited about it. And even the two and a half year old may not have known - unless he'd done it before and been told off for it.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 6:34:16 PM
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thanks everyone...i'm feeling quite a bit better now. the torn out pages are in large pieces, so i'm gonna get some invisible tape tonight. you are gonna flip when you hear this! today i found in the book of jude, there is a torn page with tape on it, and right next to the tear my great gramma wrote "tina - 1960" with an arrow pointing to it. tina is my mom, and she was two years old in 1960!
i am particularly sad about the front page being torn, it's the presented to page. it says "for my dearest friends howard and lela bell, true friends to negroes". from what i heard, the woman and her baby fled corpus christi in 1935 with my great grandparents to san francisco. the kkk was after the woman because she was black with a mixed baby, and they were after my great grandparents for being "negro lovers". they used to loan their milk cow to the woman everyday, and my great aunt would watch the baby so the woman could work. i love family history.
anyway, about the spanking...i should have clarified that it was a spank on the hands...i don't like the word smack. i did apologize for the yelling though, that's not like me to get all ghhtdfghhiopmmsaccxre tasmanian devil on them like that.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 6:40:42 PM
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Sideways
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I think spanking is perfectly ok for destruction of property.....And I'll bet you good money that they both knew it was wrong to rip up a book.
You reckon a one and a half year old would know it was wrong? I personally shouldn't think so, he probably just copied what his brother did, thinking that the paper made a fun rustly noise, like wrapping paper does when you rip it off a present that you've been given, and everyone's excited about it. And even the two and a half year old may not have known - unless he'd done it before and been told off for it.
My boy is 15 months and he knows it's wrong. Believe me, we've worked on it. Kids are smarter then we give 'em credit for.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 6:42:42 PM
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Mrs.X
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ORIGINAL: Sideways
I think spanking is perfectly ok for destruction of property.....And I'll bet you good money that they both knew it was wrong to rip up a book.
You reckon a one and a half year old would know it was wrong? I personally shouldn't think so, he probably just copied what his brother did, thinking that the paper made a fun rustly noise, like wrapping paper does when you rip it off a present that you've been given, and everyone's excited about it. And even the two and a half year old may not have known - unless he'd done it before and been told off for it.
My boy is 15 months and he knows it's wrong. Believe me, we've worked on it. Kids are smarter then we give 'em credit for.
We worked on it with both kids too.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 7:17:35 PM
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manda59
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My boy is 15 months and he knows it's wrong. Believe me, we've worked on it. Kids are smarter then we give 'em credit for.
Do you reckon he'd know it would be wrong if he was on his own, ie you weren't there? I think it's easier for toddlers to remember what's right and wrong when they have us there as an "aide memoire". Though actually of course they don't know about the concept of right and wrong, they only know what pleases Mummy/Daddy and what displeases them. So it shouldn't actually be that surprising if "the rules" don't get followed when Mummy/Daddy aren't there, because there is no-one there to risk displeasing. Maybe in their little minds they don't even realise that the rules still apply when no-one is watching.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 7:24:56 PM
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Sideways
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I dunno, I think you may be stretching. I think they simply wait until we're out of the room because they really want to do something, but know they can't if we're in the room with them. Certainly seems like what Nathan is thinking when he goes after the cat water when I'm not looking.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 7:30:34 PM
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PrincessDonna
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You reckon a one and a half year old would know it was wrong?
My 16 month old knows how to treat books. We've worked on this from the time he could crawl and pull them all off the bookshelf.  Does he always do it right? No, but he KNOWS when he does wrong. He has brought me a ripped book and said "uh-oh" before. 
Yay, Jae!!! It's the little things that make us smile... 
Christina, it's good you apologized. It's good for kids to see that we do wrong too and we say we're sorry too. I hear you on the tazmanian devil...it happens (today in my house, it was yogurt on the livingroom floor after I said 18 times to keep it at the table). Admit it and move on. I hope tomorrow is a better day.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 7:33:40 PM
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nicole6598
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LOL Ruth, I think you are right there with your description of the cat water. Young kids know what they are doing, like you said they are smarter than what we give them credit for.
Christina I am so so so sorry for you! That would be so heart breaking and I would have done the same thing. Children do need to be taught to respect others properties. I don't like it when Grace draws on one of her picture books, I teach her to respect hers and others' property she knows its not right and now she says to Nath "No don't rip my book, treat it nicely!" when he happens to find a book of hers. Anyway I hope you can fix some of the Bible. But like Ruth said, it would be a good idea to put special things away. ((((Christina))))
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 7:35:13 PM
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OH and Jae, Yippee for sleeping baby! You did well 
Oh and I agree with Donna- good thing you apologised. I do that when I lose my cool too.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 9:16:18 PM
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manda59
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I dunno, I think you may be stretching. I think they simply wait until we're out of the room because they really want to do something, but know they can't if we're in the room with them. Certainly seems like what Nathan is thinking when he goes after the cat water when I'm not looking.
Thing is, in Christina's children's case, it was the older boy who climbed onto the chair and got the book down. I personally think it's too much to expect an 18 month old to remember what he isn't supposed to do when his older brother is right there doing it in front of him, especially when it looks so much fun...
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 9:28:56 PM
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Sideways
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Thing is, in Christina's children's case, it was the older boy who climbed onto the chair and got the book down. I personally think it's too much to expect an 18 month old to remember what he isn't supposed to do when his older brother is right there doing it in front of him, especially when it looks so much fun...
So, it's fair to punish the older boy but not the younger boy for doing the exact same thing? I can't agree with that, especially since the younger boy knows he is not supposed to rip into books. Besides, he was smacked on the hand and sent to his room for a few minutes, not beaten and denied supper.
Just because big brother is doing it doesn't make it right; just because it looks fun doesn't mean the bad conduct should go without punishment. Honestly, Manda I'm kinda surprised to see you taking this path of excusing bad behavior.
I was the older child watching the younger one get away with murder, and I agree my 3 year old niece should be held to higher standards then her 10 month old sister, but if two children both know something is wrong, then both children should be punished, even if the older one led the way.
In some cases it's appropriate to give a harsher punishment to the leader/older one, but patting a misbehaving child on the head and sending him on his way... Eh, I don't buy it.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 3) - 7/7/2008 9:31:22 PM
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PrincessDonna
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In my house, all who do wrong are punished. The punishment may vary for the same offense, depending on their role in it and their understanding. But I don't think a hand slap and sitting in a room is too much for ripping a book.
Besides, it sounds like Mom needed a break to calm down and regroup, so putting them in the room for a few minutes was definitely the thing to do.
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