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Evangel70 -> McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 12:11:02 PM)
After reading all the fuss being made about the authenticity of Obama's disassociation with Rev. Wright, I'm curious as to why "conservatives" would still support John McCain when he made comments like these in his 2000 run for the presidency: Senator John McCain, in a provocative and politically risky speech, sharply criticized leaders of the religious right on Monday as "agents of intolerance" allied to his rival, Governor George W. Bush, and denounced what he said were the tactics of "division and slander." Specifically, Mr. McCain singled out the evangelists Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "corrupting influences on religion and politics" and said parts of the religious right were divisive and even un-American..... "The political tactics of division and slander are not our values," Mr. McCain said. "They are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country." "Neither party," Mr. McCain added, "should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance." Link here Has all been forgiven? Has McCain repudiated these comments? Can he be trusted? Why or why not?

ljmac -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 12:34:44 PM)
You're living in the past.

Jhud -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 1:40:04 PM)
I am not sure how you are comparing the two. McCain didn't disassociate himself from certain religious leaders after having sat under their teachings for twenty years; why would his disassociations be looked at as insincere? And why would these rather straight forward comments make him 'untrustworthy'?

tracydolls -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 2:58:12 PM)
Mccain is more trustworthy than the other 2. I would vote for Mccain. I'm glad he is not so far right that you can't reason with him. I don't want an extremist of anything in the white house. you must be president to aLL americans. and be somewhere in the middle, where mccain is. Is Mccain pandering to Robertson now?

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 3:08:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls Mccain is more trustworthy than the other 2. I would vote for Mccain. I'm glad he is not so far right that you can't reason with him. I don't want an extremist of anything in the white house. you must be president to aLL americans. and be somewhere in the middle, where mccain is. Is Mccain pandering to Robertson now? Pretty sad when the more trustworthy person is the one who will attempt to be all things to everyone... Funny... Why does the President have to represent those who didn't vote for him? I live in Northern California... None of the folks in Congress and or the Senate would even attempt to represent my views and I know if I ask them they would say they represent the whole, but the reality is they represent the general views of those who voted for him or her...Like the folks in the Democratic party in California are going to come to the center on abortion, or any other matter that is near and dear to the hearts of the people that voted them into office... John

inthysite -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 3:35:04 PM)
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are the radical right and don't represent the views of most Conservative Christians. McCain did well to disassociate himself back then. Here are 10 stupid things said by Robertson, you tell me if some of this doesn't sound live Rev. Wright: The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said 10) "Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism 9) "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson 8) "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson 7) "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld 6) "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson 5) "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson 4) "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial 3) "God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke 2) "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department 1) "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Bonus Stupid Quote: "Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' and 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping." –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez Extra Bonus Stupid Quote: "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." –Pat Robertson The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said

inthysite -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 4:19:03 PM)
And Falwell isn't much better: The 10 Craziest Things Rev. Jerry Falwell Ever Said 10. "The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country." 9. "The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews." 8. "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" 7. "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharaoh's charioteers ... AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals." 6. "Nothing will motivate conservative evangelical Christians to vote Republican in the 2008 presidential election more than a Democratic nominee named Hillary Rodham Clinton - not even a run by the devil himself ... I certainly hope that Hillary is the candidate. She has $300 million so far. But I hope she's the candidate. Because nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton. If Lucifer ran, he wouldn't." --at a "Values Voter Summit" 5. "Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them." 4. "Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America." 3. "He is purple — the gay-pride color, and his antenna is shaped like a triangle — the gay pride symbol." –from a "Parents Alert" issued in Jerry Falwell's National Liberty Journal, warning that "Tinky Winky," a character on the popular PBS children's show, "Teletubbies," may be gay 2. "You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I'm for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord." 1. "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" --on the 9/11 attacks The 10 Craziest Things Rev. Jerry Falwell Ever Said

tracydolls -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 4:40:05 PM)
quote: Pretty sad when the more trustworthy person is the one who will attempt to be all things to everyone... Funny... Why does the President have to represent those who didn't vote for him? I live in Northern California... None of the folks in Congress and or the Senate would even attempt to represent my views and I know if I ask them they would say they represent the whole, but the reality is they represent the general views of those who voted for him or her...Like the folks in the Democratic party in California are going to come to the center on abortion, or any other matter that is near and dear to the hearts of the people that voted them into office... A President should try to help ALL americans, no , not every one will be satisfied, but at least try to come to middle ground. Reason together. Mccain i believe will try, some of them, don't care to try. period. I thought Calif. is Schawarzenegger country. A republican? The sad part of the last 2 years is it looks to me as if NOONE represents me, not the Congress , President,

Evangel70 -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 4:53:26 PM)
quote: The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said... The 10 Craziest Things Rev. Jerry Falwell Ever Said... Thank you inthysite for reminding us that it's not just ministers on the left that preach hatred and division.

inthysite -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 5:00:17 PM)
quote: Thank you inthysite for reminding us that it's not just ministers on the left that preach hatred and division. Just trying to be "Fair and Balanced" [:D][:D][:D]

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:17:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls A President should try to help ALL americans, no , not every one will be satisfied, but at least try to come to middle ground. Reason together. Their help usually is undoing the previous attempt to help us... But for the heck of it... What does a liberal president owe the right? Or a conservative one owe the left? quote: I thought Calif. is Schawarzenegger country. A republican? In name only... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:22:17 PM)
quote: 5) "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson It could be worded a bit better but the bible is pretty clear that the husband is head of the house... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:28:50 PM)
quote: 2. "You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I'm for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord." Apart from Iraq the quest to hunt down and despose of terrorists in a lawful manner is what God ordained the civil government to do... The sword of wrath for those that do evil... Romans 13... Again, it could have worded better, but the gist of the comment isn't all that out of line wth God's word... Heh... When you consider how God dealt with "terrorists" at times simply taking out the terrorist is mild... John

saved9201 -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:35:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said... The 10 Craziest Things Rev. Jerry Falwell Ever Said... Thank you inthysite for reminding us that it's not just ministers on the left that preach hatred and division. It doesn't matter. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of voters in America are white middle class Christians and most of them have a huge problem with Obama's preacher but much less of a problem with Robertson and Falwell. They don't have to justify why because they're the majority. It's been proven time and time again that you can win presidential elections without getting one black vote, but you need white middle class Americans. And the bottom line is, it dosen't matter who's right or wrong. The majority of the people can be dead wrong (I'm not saying they are) and because they're the majority, they win. One of the many lessons Obama has learned from this campaign. Which is why I have always believed that McCain will slaughter Obama if Obama gets the nomination, and I will add, there will never, ever be a black president of the United States and I doubt that in my lifetime, I'm 53, if another will have the guts to run for the office again. - Julius -

Jhud -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:42:07 PM)
quote: It doesn't matter. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of voters in America are white middle class Christians and most of them have a huge problem with Obama's preacher but much less of a problem with Robertson and Falwell. They don't have to justify why because they're the majority. It's been proven time and time again that you can win presidential elections without getting one black vote, but you need white middle class Americans. And the bottom line is, it dosen't matter who's right or wrong. The majority of the people can be dead wrong (I'm not saying they are) and because they're the majority, they win. One of the many lessons Obama has learned from this campaign. Which is why I have always believed that McCain will slaughter Obama if Obama gets the nomination, and I will add, there will never, ever be a black president of the United States and I doubt that in my lifetime, I'm 53, if another will have the guts to run for the office again. Actually, I think it fits the thesis I proposed sometime ago; the first black Chief executive (Prez or Vice) will be a conservative Republican.

tracydolls -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 6:58:32 PM)
quote: Their help usually is undoing the previous attempt to help us... But for the heck of it... What does a liberal president owe the right? Or a conservative one owe the left? What does a President owe the people? I like to think that there are extremists on both sides, Rush Limbaugh or Gloria Steinham? I'll take neither. the President should try to work out what's best for the country. I think all people know Pat and Wright are not the center, or even trying to get there. they have one thing in common, extremist. I like Mccain, sorry.

tracydolls -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 7:05:02 PM)
quote: Actually, I think it fits the thesis I proposed sometime ago; the first black Chief executive (Prez or Vice) will be a conservative Republican. I think[sm=sadquestion.gif] alot of Blacks are conservative in things like gay marriage, abortions. But we also don't like the death penalty. We wanted Colin so bad! I'll take Gen. Honary? also. With BO , black people are not even hearing Mccain.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 7:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls the President should try to work out what's best for the country. Ok.... But only generally the President's view only represents half of the population’s... Are you saying a President should compromise his views and ideals for those who didn't vote for him? And if so, why? quote: I like Mccain, sorry. Don't be sorry... Just remember what they say about those people that try to please everyone... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 7:09:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Actually, I think it fits the thesis I proposed sometime ago; the first black Chief executive (Prez or Vice) will be a conservative Republican. I think[sm=sadquestion.gif] alot of Blacks are conservative in things like gay marriage, abortions. But we also don't like the death penalty. Regarldless they vote for those things pretty much as a large block... Talk is cheap... John

colliefan -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 7:31:09 PM)
quote: but much less of a problem with Robertson and Falwell. Falwell is dead. Robertson is a hack who uses Christianity to enrich himself. Not as bad as the prosperity pimps though. I always question anyone who uses the words "God me that currrnt event,,,,,"

wing2000 -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 9:26:07 PM)
quote: Specifically, Mr. McCain singled out the evangelists Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "corrupting influences on religion and politics" and said parts of the religious right were divisive and even un-American.... ...and McCain was right.

lightshineon -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (4/30/2008 10:02:57 PM)
If McCain ever attended David Dukes church of satan, yes then it would matter. Black people would have a right to be worried. Nobody takes Hagee serious, he is only racist toward the jews. See the difference?, We WASP have a few worries about, being portrayed as Wright is doing. Sorry, if that is offensive, ignorant or defensive but you know self preservation kicks in.

ljmac -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (5/1/2008 1:20:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: inthysite Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are the radical right and don't represent the views of most Conservative Christians. Since we're talking about not-so-intelligent things people say, another one might be that Pat Robertson is a member of the "radical right," a catch-all term used to describe anyone the left hates. Robertson has described himself as a "convert" to global warming. Apparently God sent him a message via a heat wave so he's doing a commercial for energy pig Al Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection. The agency is spending $300 million on advertising, enough to buy health insurance for every American until we're all drowning from melting glaciers. Robertson endorsed the most liberal Republican candidate for President and in one moment tossed away almost all the issues lefties use to identify members of the "radical right." When he endorsed Rudy Guiliani he endorsed the man most friendly to abortion among Republican candidates and the candidate who has been most tolerant of sodomy. The man has had multiple affairs, divorces, wives and has occasionally worn a dress. With about a dozen more conservative candidates to choose from, Robertson endorsed a man whose wife put on a play about female genitals. This stuff is radical, but certainly not right. Robertson, like God, is opposed to sodomy. And he isn't afraid to say so. That's why he gets tagged with labels like "radical right."

inthysite -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (5/1/2008 10:53:02 PM)
quote: Since we're talking about not-so-intelligent things people say, another one might be that Pat Robertson is a member of the "radical right," a catch-all term used to describe anyone the left hates. ... Robertson, like God, is opposed to sodomy. And he isn't afraid to say so. That's why he gets tagged with labels like "radical right." Actually I called him the 'radical right' because of his radical views on a lot of different subjects. I say he is on the right only because that is a label given to most Christians, and Robertson supports the Republican Party which is considered in politics to be 'the right'. He may very well support moderate or liberal Republicans but if you ask any Democrat they will claim he is on the right, even Robertson himself makes this claim. His views are radical in that he states that Aids is a punishment sent from God because of homosexuals, he doesn't even consider it as a consequence of sinful living. He doesn't take into account the number of innocent (well I guess we are all guilty since we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God) lives that are lost to Aids due to infected blood transfusion's, accidental infections, babies born with HIV, etc. Comparing Liberals to Nazi's is pretty radical. I don't recall Liberals ever having murdered and tortured Conservatives. I have never seen Conservatives marched into gas chambers by gun toting Liberals, have you? So no, I don't considerate it ignorant, or to use your words not-so-intelligent, to call someone like Robertson or Falwell part of the radical right, nor do I consider it a catch-all phrase but rather a pretty good description because as I have already stated, their views do not fall in line with mainstream Conservative Christians.

Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: McCain and the Religious Right (5/1/2008 11:35:49 PM)
I have to say that there have been a number of times I saw parts of the show. They really make me wish someone would stuff a dirty sock in thier mouth. Some of the things these guys say is so embarrasing to me as a christian.

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