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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 1:01:21 AM
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crankius: Here is a quote from Captivating that I thought you would enjoy.
“Think of one of the most romantic scenes you can remember, scenes that made you sigh. Jack with Rose on the bow of the Titanic, his arms around her waist, their first kiss. Wallace speaking in French to Murron, then in Italian: “Not as beautiful as you.” Aragorn, standing with Arwen in the moonlight on the bridge in Rivendell, declaring his love for her. Edward returning for Elinor in Sense and Sensibility, and professor Behr returning for Jo at the end of Little Women. Now, put yourself in the scene as the Beauty, and Jesus as the Lover” (page 114).
And people actually wonder why we're speaking against these teachings. How on earth can anyone get on board with this stuff.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 1:10:37 AM
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Whoa Nelly, stop the bible train for just a moment. What exactly are these great scriptural answers, lw, that you believe people have given in this thread that denounce Eldredge? You yourself have not used any scripture thus far. Here are two of the scriptures that have been used in this thread which do not rebuff Eldredge at all:
As LW9 pointed out earlier that is a lie. Just because you may not agree with how people exigerte the Scripture to make their point does not mean they are not giving Scriptural backing. I counted 17 passagess used by people on this forum not 2.
Although I will applude you for actually using scriptur in your post this time.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 1:29:03 AM
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We are not called to follow our hearts and our desires, which are not trustworthy or an indicator of truth. We are called to follow Christ. We are sinful and the 'core of our being' is not good [Matt 19:17, Rom 3:9-12, Rom 6-7]. It's the Holy Spirit within us Who is good. Eldredge is completely at odds with scripture on this point.
Eldredge is not at all at odds with God on this point. You simply misunderstand him. What you have said is partly true, but partly not. We are called to follow Christ, which Eldredge would agree with wholeheartedly. But our entire relationship with God is actually based on desire. Each person can get as close to Jesus as they desire to, as much as they are willing to pursue Him.
There is no sin in following our desires when they lead us closer to Christ and closer to the person God created us to be. In fact, God said He would give us the desires of our heart and Eldredge believes that God has placed into every human being a deep soul yearning or desire for God - many in the church call that having a 'hole' in one's heart that only God can fill. I agree 110% with that.
As for following one's heart, in the correct context of Eldredge's writings, he believes that God has placed every man's purpose deep down in His heart to be discovered by that man if and when His life is renewed by Christ. I believe that also. I believe every human being has a destiny that God would like to fulfill in Christ if that person would turn to Christ. If you believe differently, can you show me the scripture? Following one's heart is simply discovering and pursuing the purpose that God planted in our souls and fulfilling that purpose with all of our heart. Eldredge believes we follow it for the sake of the Kingdom, but in doing it, we also feel more satisfied with and fulfilled with our lives. Completely biblical ideas.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 1:52:50 AM
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There are many desires and things in our heart that we are called to and/or allowed to pursue. I don't believe that God is as freaked out about us following our heart and our desires as you are:
1Co 14:1
Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy
Col 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire. The only desire we are told to put to death are evil desires. That means there are good desires that we can joyfully pursue with all of our heart.
De 14:26
and spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves; and you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. God allows us to sometimes do whatever we desire with our money, whatever makes us happy and He obviously doesn't freak out about it.
Ps 21:2
Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withheld the request of his lips. I believe our Papa in heaven loves to give His children our heart's desires because He placed many of those desires in our hearts.
Ps 145:16
Thou openest thy hand, thou satisfiest the desire of every living thing. God satisfies our desires, and I don't believe this just means spiritual things since animals don't have spiritual needs and 'every living thing' includes them. It obviously means food, but I believe it means more than that in context with other verses that speak of our desires.
Ps 145:19
He fulfils the desire of all who fear him
Pr 10:24
What the wicked dreads will come upon him, but the desire of the righteous will be granted. Again, God enjoys giving us our desires.
Pr 11:23
The desire of the righteous ends only in good. According to Eldredge, people who follow Christ will tend to desire that which is good because the Holy Spirit dwells in us and sanctifies us. I tend to believe that view. From experience I know that my desires changed after being saved. I no longer desired sin, I desired righteousness and to be pleasing to God. I believe that transformation effects ALL of our life including our desires in other areas (though because of our battle with sin in us, we will sometimes fall to an evil desire that needs to be put to death).
John Eldredge is still pretty right on in my opinion. He is misinterpreted by some on these threads because, as always, they are predisposed to dislike ANYONE and EVERYONE that is not part of their conservative evangelical background. And they are also taught to fear that which they do not understand by pastors, teachers and the like. So that's not really your fault, it's the fault of those who have discipled you. It seems they have done an excellent job in instilling fear into you, which is the one thing we are not to have a spirit of.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 2:16:48 AM
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crankius: Here is a quote from Captivating that I thought you would enjoy.
“Think of one of the most romantic scenes you can remember, scenes that made you sigh. Jack with Rose on the bow of the Titanic, his arms around her waist, their first kiss. Wallace speaking in French to Murron, then in Italian: “Not as beautiful as you.” Aragorn, standing with Arwen in the moonlight on the bridge in Rivendell, declaring his love for her. Edward returning for Elinor in Sense and Sensibility, and professor Behr returning for Jo at the end of Little Women. Now, put yourself in the scene as the Beauty, and Jesus as the Lover” (page 114).
And people actually wonder why we're speaking against these teachings. How on earth can anyone get on board with this stuff.
They can 'get on board' because they understands the language he's speaking. I do completely. And I feel the same way he does. Don't you see that that is why God has different styles of teachers who use different languages, so to speak, to share the truth? We are all very unique and we relate to different object lessons. God placed in John Eldredge's heart these particular metaphors and object lessons to speak His truth. Not just because John could relate to these word-pictures, but because there are a multitude of christians out there, like myself, who relate to them also.
It's ok if you like John Piper or whomever, but I certainly can't relate to John Piper's language nearly as well as I relate to Eldredges. God placed Eldredge and his wife into the body of Christ to fulfill His purpose in a specific area to a specific group of His kids for a specific period of time. It's very simple. At least to me it is.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 2:35:33 AM
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Whoa Nelly, stop the bible train for just a moment. What exactly are these great scriptural answers, lw, that you believe people have given in this thread that denounce Eldredge? You yourself have not used any scripture thus far. Here are two of the scriptures that have been used in this thread which do not rebuff Eldredge at all:
As LW9 pointed out earlier that is a lie. Just because you may not agree with how people exigerte the Scripture to make their point does not mean they are not giving Scriptural backing. I counted 17 passagess used by people on this forum not 2.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see the 17 scriptures you are referring to. I see lots of scripture from Aoi for Eldredge. On page one, two posts had scripture: Kat had 2 and lw had 1 (which I answered with scripture). On page four crankius has 2 posts where there are a couple scriptures used. On page six crankius has a post with 2 verses in it and Sue has a post where she refers to 2 verses, but doesn't type them out. And that's all. So that makes 9 scriptures, but with such a vague description of how they pertain to Eldredge's teachings that I don't see how they prove your points.
So I'm really trying hard, but I just don't see the volumes of scripture that both you and lw9 said have been used to discount Eldredge. Please show me, I'd like to read them and catch up if I missed them. And I apologize, lw did have a couple scriptures on the first page which I had missed.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:33:17 AM
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It seems that some have a problem with Eldredge teaching that our inner being (our heart) can be considered good. A few seem to believe that down in our core, even after being born again, we are still evil and depraved sinners. I don't find that scriptural.
Let's look at what Paul said in Romans 7. Paul seems to separate his true self (his new regenerated self) from the sin within him.
Speaking about this sin:
17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. When he refers to 'I myself' he is referring to himself as the 'new creation' that he now is. He (the new creation) no longer is the one who is doing wrong, but it is 'sin' that lives in him, as if sin is an entity that has been circumcised away from him but still resides in him.
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. Paul says that nothing good lives in him, but then clarifies it to pointedly mean 'in his sinful nature'. He's not referring to his renewed heart or mind or any other place within him, he's referring specifically to that sin nature.
20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. Again Paul clarifies that it is not him (the new creation) that is sinning, it is the sin nature that still resides in him, something now separate from the regenerated spirit and new creation that he is (which would include the renewed mind and heart that has been washed clean by Jesus' blood and the washing of the word).
22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law. According to Paul, his inner being is not still full of sin and depraved as someone earlier posted (I think crankius and lw), his inner being has been sanctified and actually is filled with delight in God's law. His inner being would include the heart, which is considered to be part of the core of who we are as humans.
23 but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. As Eldredge so well put it, we are not in a battle with God, we are at war with that sinful nature that resides in us along side our redeemed nature. Our renewed minds WANT to serve God and our renewed hearts WANT to overflow with rivers of living water and our inner being (the core of who we are) DELIGHTS in God, but that old nature still doesn't. That old nature does have evil desires that can crop up, but we are to continually put them to death. Eldredge fully understands this and when he speaks about following our desires he never means our evil desires. Of course not! That would be a ridiculous thought for any christian to hold.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 11:51:06 AM
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"Jesus as the lover" in the same way of Jack and Rose, Aragorn and Arwen, Jo and Behr, etc. is a PERVERSION, plain and simple. It actually brings perversion to a whole new level since it's delving into deity romance. It also brings God down to human level and portrays Him - the Lord God - as a love sick suitor who desires romance and a physical lover, like the couples he mentioned.
Eldredge has wandered so completely off into a realm and fantasy of his own creation and crossed a line that cannot be erased or ignored by discerning Christians. It should be obvious enough, but if some can't see just how sick and completely wrong the concept of 'Jesus as my Lover' is, then there's really nothing more to be said.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 11:51:11 AM
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Submit to me woman! Pay heed to the words that leave my lips, for they are from up above!
OK, people, let's play nice.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 12:53:10 PM
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SD456,
I am now an Apostle - Apostle earthless!
Submit to me woman! Pay heed to the words that leave my lips, for they are from up above!
OK, people, let's play nice.
Seriously, you can't possibly believe he wasn't joking! Earthless, maybe you need to start using one of these  when you make a joke in the future!
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"Jesus as the lover" in the same way of Jack and Rose, Aragorn and Arwen, Jo and Behr, etc. is a PERVERSION, plain and simple. It actually brings perversion to a whole new level since it's delving into deity romance. It also brings God down to human level and portrays Him - the Lord God - as a love sick suitor who desires romance and a physical lover, like the couples he mentioned.
Eldredge has wandered so completely off into a realm and fantasy of his own creation and crossed a line that cannot be erased or ignored by discerning Christians. It should be obvious enough, but if some can't see just how sick and completely wrong the concept of 'Jesus as my Lover' is, then there's really nothing more to be said.
YES!!!! 
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 1:19:39 PM
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I realized he was joking - just not sure SD would have taken it as such.
Apologies if I was being a bit thick.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:08:35 PM
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"Jesus as the lover" in the same way of Jack and Rose, Aragorn and Arwen, Jo and Behr, etc. is a PERVERSION, plain and simple. It actually brings perversion to a whole new level since it's delving into deity romance. It also brings God down to human level and portrays Him - the Lord God - as a love sick suitor who desires romance and a physical lover, like the couples he mentioned.
Eldredge has wandered so completely off into a realm and fantasy of his own creation and crossed a line that cannot be erased or ignored by discerning Christians. It should be obvious enough, but if some can't see just how sick and completely wrong the concept of 'Jesus as my Lover' is, then there's really nothing more to be said.
*L* Is that it, lw? Is that all you have a grievance over? No bible verses that support your idea that we are still sinners in our inner being? No bible verses to refute the bible verses I gave you in support of Eldredge's teachings? I'm not sure if your upset rantings can be considered good debate, though I do understand that you feel you are justified in being upset.
You can't relate to the metaphors that Eldredge uses, I understand that. But I can relate to them and so can many others.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:14:28 PM
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SD456,
I am now an Apostle - Apostle earthless!
Submit to me woman! Pay heed to the words that leave my lips, for they are from up above!
OK, people, let's play nice.
Seriously, you can't possibly believe he wasn't joking! Earthless, maybe you need to start using one of these when you make a joke in the future!
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"Jesus as the lover" in the same way of Jack and Rose, Aragorn and Arwen, Jo and Behr, etc. is a PERVERSION, plain and simple. It actually brings perversion to a whole new level since it's delving into deity romance. It also brings God down to human level and portrays Him - the Lord God - as a love sick suitor who desires romance and a physical lover, like the couples he mentioned.
Eldredge has wandered so completely off into a realm and fantasy of his own creation and crossed a line that cannot be erased or ignored by discerning Christians. It should be obvious enough, but if some can't see just how sick and completely wrong the concept of 'Jesus as my Lover' is, then there's really nothing more to be said.
YES!!!!
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So that's it, Kat? Where's all our bible verses that you said you had that blow Eldredge's teaching out of the water? I just don't see them. It's easy to give 'high-fives' to people's silly statements. But where are your bible verses that truly denounce all that Eldredge teaches?
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:18:39 PM
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“Think of one of the most romantic scenes you can remember, scenes that made you sigh. Jack with Rose on the bow of the Titanic, his arms around her waist, their first kiss...
This quote makes me ill. Rose was supposedly the girlfriend of another man, but she chose to run around with Jack. Their relationship was illicit and condemning. How can anyone relate this to the view Christ has of us?
*L* Their relationship was not illicit and condemning. That is one of the silliest statements I've heard in a while. She wasn't married and, if you remember, her boyfriend was a bit of a jerk.
Is that all you guys have? A few pasty comments about how you hate Eldredge's metaphors he uses to talk about love? So what if he uses couple's from literature or movies. God used the song of solomon as an allegory of Christ's love for his bride the church. God isnt' afraid of using strong images to show His pursuing love for His bride, why should we be? I'm certainly not.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:20:19 PM
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"Jesus as the lover" in the same way of Jack and Rose, Aragorn and Arwen, Jo and Behr, etc. is a PERVERSION, plain and simple. It actually brings perversion to a whole new level since it's delving into deity romance. It also brings God down to human level and portrays Him - the Lord God - as a love sick suitor who desires romance and a physical lover, like the couples he mentioned.
Eldredge has wandered so completely off into a realm and fantasy of his own creation and crossed a line that cannot be erased or ignored by discerning Christians. It should be obvious enough, but if some can't see just how sick and completely wrong the concept of 'Jesus as my Lover' is, then there's really nothing more to be said.
Is that it, lw? Is that all you have a grievance over? No bible verses that support your idea that we are still sinners in our inner being? No bible verses to refute the bible verses I gave you? I'm not sure if your upset rantings can be considered good debate, though I do understand that you feel you are justified in being upset.
You can't relate to the metaphors that Eldredge uses, I understand that. But I can relate to them and so can many others.
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That would definately be creepy. I've never read that kind of love in his books or heard that from the people I know who attended his conferences.
Where did you hear that Eldredge pushes a lustful/sexual love?
So which one is it SD. Are you against eros love from God or are you for it. You are talking about of both sides of your mouth.
Now personally if people want to believe that they have a good heart fine, that is not a hill I will die on.
As I said earlier I have only read the first few chapters of Wild at Heart but I couldn't stand the Open Theism that is alluded to in the Book. Open Theism is flat out wrong and that is my problem with what he teaches in the little I have read.
more on this later when I am actually at home.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:20:46 PM
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:22:49 PM
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SD456: No bible verses that support your idea that we are still sinners in our inner being?
They've already been presented in this thread, and they've already been pointed out for you. If you are going to pretend a good part of this thread does not exist so you can throw out empty accusations against people here, there's nothing anyone can do about that.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:31:37 PM
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*L* Their relationship was not illicit and condemning. That is one of the silliest statements I've heard in a while. She wasn't married and, if you remember, her boyfriend was a bit of a jerk.
Big picture alert:
Not only were they not married, but their relationship was SEXUAL.
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That is how Eldredge is comparing our relationship to Christ. It's disgusting, sick, and utterly twisted, and this is what you are defending.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:32:35 PM
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So which one is it SD. Are you against eros love from God or are you for it. You are talking about of both sides of your mouth.
Can you show me, sue, where I said that God has a lustful/sexual love for us? Please give me the post # and then I shall agree with you that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. (You guys seem so good at your little constant jabs at others. But I don't buy it.)
I believe that Eldredge speaks about the strength of God's passion and love for us when he uses metaphors of lovers in literature. And I agree with him. God has such a strong love that He went to great lengths to pursue us and rescue us from certain death, even to the point of His own son's death on the cross. That strength of love is hinted at in literature and epic stories, the kind of love between a man and a woman. God spoke about that kind of love between Him and his bride the church in SOS.
I'm not sure why you have a problem with the idea that God's love for us is stronger than even human love could ever feel. But that's your problem, not mine. I shan't argue on that point with you because I'm not concerned with convincing you of God's love and couldn't even if I wanted to. It's a revelation that the HOly Spirit alone can impart to a person's heart - that God cherishes me and pursued me with His love because He longs to have relationship with me. It's wonderful to realize that God loves us with this kind of everlasting passionate love.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:32:49 PM
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As far as eros goes, I think it's important to recognize that any earthly analogy at some point breaks down. For Eldredge, I believe he uses this imagery in nonsexual terms of desire & longing for God and by God. Clearly at some point you can push the analogy too far and into the ridiculous if you choose to bring in the human sexual connotations that come along with that analogy, which as far as I know he does not.
Example: when I talk of my wife in romantic terms, it's not necessarily sexual. There is simply no other person that understands me like she does or that I would want to go through life with. When I'm expressing those sentiments, then the romantic analogy to God isn't necessarily off base. In fact, when I'm trying to express the emotional and spiritual intimacy we have, bringing the sexual into that would actually detract from what I'm trying to express. My desire for her goes much further than that, such that the sexual is more of a side note.
The bible does build on the marriage analogy in a number of places, so I don't find this quite so odd as some do. It's not a metaphor that speaks to me very well, but I would suppose that's why God does not use this metaphor exclusively. If it speaks to SD, I'm not inclined to criticize it much.
Edit: If my wife reads this, it's a very happy and wonderful sidenote.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:36:21 PM
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*L* Their relationship was not illicit and condemning. That is one of the silliest statements I've heard in a while. She wasn't married and, if you remember, her boyfriend was a bit of a jerk.
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Not only were they not married, but their relationship was SEXUAL.
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That is how Eldredge is comparing our relationship to Christ. It's disgusting, sick, and utterly twisted, and this is what you are defending.
You'll have to take that argument up with God who used the Song of Solomon as an allegory of Christ and His bride and that's full of much stronger language even.
Again, it is not the sexual part that relates to God. Of course not! It is the level of strength of the love and the passion that causes God to pursue His creation that He loves so much.
If this is all you have against Eldredge than that's not too bad at all. It's simply a matter of you not being able to relate to such metaphors. That's your problem, not mine or Eldredge's (or God's since He placed these very messages into Eldredge's heart to share)
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 4/29/2008 3:37:22 PM
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Well, from what I can tell, this thread has established that Eldredge teaches that Jeremiah 17:9 doesn’t apply to a believer and he can therefore follow his heart. It's also pretty much the premise for Wild At Heart.
God does put a new heart or nature into the believer, but it is not true that the old heart or nature is removed. Nowhere does the New Testament say that the believer’s heart is good. Jesus confirmed that the heart is the source of evil (Mark 7:20-23), and Paul understood that the old nature and tendency to evil is still very much present in the Christian life (Rom. 7:18). The New Testament warns that the heart can be tempted by Satan (Acts 5:3), can be evil and unbelieving (Heb. 3:12), and can be deceived (Jam. 1:26). All of those passages refer to Christians.
Eldredge teaches men to listen for God’s leading apart from the Scripture. He claims that God speaks even through carnal, worldly things.
It is the Bible alone that is the believer’s authority; the Bible alone is the voice of God (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
Eldredge’s also assumes that man needs to find his heart and then live by its demands, but there is absolutely nothing like this anywhere in Scripture.
Jesus has given believing men their commission in this present world; it is not to find their hearts but to surrender to His perfect will as it is described in the New Testament (Romans 12).
“He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered” (Proverbs 28:26).
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