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blessedinnyc -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/27/2008 6:20:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan
Ah, yes, the liberal on-air versa of PRAVDA. If PBS had to be privately funded it would go bankrupt. Just like Air-head America. But that is a topic of another thread

Actually, I like a lot of the cultural stuff they put on PBS- including the class rock specials they put together. I also grew up on Mr. Rogers. He has a lot of conservative credentials, such as endorsements from both Bushes. Were it not for PBS, tens of millions of Americans would have grown up without him.

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ain't no polar bears in ANWAR. But if you go there haven't you caused emense ecological damage? Or, are you going to pay for your sins against nature by purchasing a carbon foot-print. And how many of them must you buy to off-set your sins?


If she flies to anchorage on a commercial jet and then is driven there or takes a boat with a lot of other people, I don't see it taking more than about 2-3 barrels of oil for the whole trip. This is roughly the amount of energy most Americans use in two weeks.



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/27/2008 7:25:13 PM)

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If she flies to anchorage on a commercial jet and then is driven there or takes a boat with a lot of other people


An environmentalist group here managed to get control of a parks board and banned people from even entering the park. They plan to have a butterfly park and have video cams so people can watch. Why doesn't an evironmentalist group do the same with the places they worship so people don't have to waste a drop of oil?



SonInMe1 -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/27/2008 10:11:53 PM)

Nuclear energy...the only problem with it is the waste. I say we dump it all in Massachusettes and kill two birds with one stone.



tracydolls -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/27/2008 10:45:52 PM)

Some of these envir. people look like new agers to me. Let's worship the earth......

that said, WE have jacked up the earth. But since this is not our home,[sm=thumbsup.gif] who cares.



SonInMe1 -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 3:04:48 AM)

There is a huge difference between good stewardship of the resources God has given us and the thinly veiled socialism of the wacky environmentalist.



MoshForChrist -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 7:19:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

Nuclear energy...the only problem with it is the waste. I say we dump it all in Massachusettes and kill two birds with one stone.

[:D]



Lizahana -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 7:54:46 AM)

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Yup! Before I die (I guess you could call this my partial 'bucket list'), I would like to see a polar bear in the wild -


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ain't no polar bears in ANWAR. But if you go there haven't you caused emense ecological damage? Or, are you going to pay for your sins against nature by purchasing a carbon foot-print. And how many of them must you buy to off-set your sins?


Um, yes there are polar bears in ANWR:

http://arctic.fws.gov/bears.htm#section1
http://arctic.fws.gov/wildlife.htm

In fact, they publish guidelines on what to do if you encounter a polar bear:

http://arctic.fws.gov/pdf/polarbearcountry.pdf

But good, one colliefan! I mean, you were trying to be funny, right?!

I'll go there in the next car I buy which will be a hybrid - I'm saving for one. And, if Bush Et Al had not reduced funding for PNGV, who knows? Maybe the engineers would be able to have a marketable auto out there that has 0 pollutant output with no batteries...but, we won't know will we? I know there are models like this that have been built.

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on my local PBS station


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Ah, yes, the liberal on-air versa of PRAVDA. If PBS had to be privately funded it would go bankrupt. Just like Air-head America. But that is a topic of another thread


Ha! Oh yeah, PBS - the one that broadcasts shows like 'Antique Roadshow' (one of my faves actually) - you know a show that encourages people to buy things, ie, capitalism - that's communist television...mmmmmm...not! LOL!

On top of this, PBS was saved because people wanted it there, colliefan - hence all of the private funding. You do know that PBS is largely privately funded, right? Would that not tell you that most people want it there to view? You know, it has a variety of broadcasting, like 'This Old House' which advises on non-communist type topics like how to remodel your home, and shows with car talk gurus like Tom and Ray Magliozzi appear on it & for goodness sake, Sesame Street. What is so communist about these shows?! Please tell me - I'd like to hear this one...

Peace and God bless,



Lizahana -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 7:58:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

Liz, I included the WHOLE link for everyone's purusal. My main thrust was to point out that nuclear MUST be included if we are to wean ourselves off oil, as even Moore sees.

You don't have to limit yourself to Alaska to see Polar bears. You'll probably find it easier to access them in Canada around Hudson Bay anyway.


Ok - I'm in agreement, but just am concerned about the disposal of the haz waste - but, that's another thread.

Well, see, then I'd be giving my dinero to the Canadian economy, when I could be giving it to ours. I definitely do like to visit foreign countries, but only to experience things that I cannot experience here. Besides, I think our dollar is not looking so good compared to their dollar. If I went to Canada (it's fairly far down on my bucket list), it would be when the US dollar is stronger against the Canadian dollar.

Peace and God bless,



its_GO_time -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 10:54:05 AM)

another way to celebrate Earth Day, would be to buy Big Oil stocks, if you have the means. After all, the one who is to be worshipped, Al Gore, does. [:D]



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 3:17:38 PM)

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On top of this, PBS was saved because people wanted it there, colliefan - hence all of the private funding. You do know that PBS is largely privately funded, right?


So, who voted for PBS? They were chosen via American Idol correct? And if they were privately funded, why all the begathons? In terms of Sesame Street, where does the money that comes from all the purchases of Elmos go. And why should the goverment be in the broadcasting and arts business? Treat them as a private business. If they can't make money, they go under simple as that.

There is a Bible Broadcasting Station here that is entirely donor funded, no comercials, no begathons. Their audience is toward the older spectrum of Christianty but all they need to do is to mention a need and the need is met.



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 3:20:46 PM)

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I'll go there in the next car I buy which will be a hybrid - I'm saving for one. And, if Bush Et Al had not reduced funding for PNGV, who knows? Maybe the engineers would be able to have a marketable auto out there that has 0 pollutant output with no batteries...but, we won't know will we? I know there are models like this that have been built.



And why does the research need to be government funded? And the sites you highlighted are not the proposed drilling sites. Remember the environmentalist wackos have also invaded the government.



mapachito13 -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 3:32:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan
And why does the research need to be government funded? And the sites you highlighted are not the proposed drilling sites. Remember the environmentalist wackos have also invaded the government.


The government uses tax breaks as incentives for companies to create jobs in a particular region that is lacking. This is government funded. Why don't we, by the same logic, just tell these people that market forces drive the fact that there are a lack of jobs so tough, you're on your own.

Business will not do anything that will drive up their costs even if its is good for society. If they had their way they wouldn't start investing in newer fuel technologies until the last drop of oil ran out!

If big business still had their way they would be dumping their untreated waste into our rivers and using pesticides that harm our wildlife.



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 3:40:04 PM)

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Business will not do anything that will drive up their costs even if its is good for society. If they had their way they wouldn't start investing in newer fuel technologies until the last drop of oil ran out!


And we have the big, benevolant goverment to protect us from all harm!
What is good for Standard Oil is good for the country! gasp

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If big business still had their way they would be dumping their untreated waste into our rivers and using pesticides that harm our wildlife.


Try visiting some former Communisr Counties in EE and you will see what government can do to the evironment. Speaking of pesticides, look what the ban on DDT has done: masses die of malaria



Lizahana -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 10:08:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

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On top of this, PBS was saved because people wanted it there, colliefan - hence all of the private funding. You do know that PBS is largely privately funded, right?


So, who voted for PBS? They were chosen via American Idol correct? And if they were privately funded, why all the begathons? In terms of Sesame Street, where does the money that comes from all the purchases of Elmos go. And why should the goverment be in the broadcasting and arts business? Treat them as a private business. If they can't make money, they go under simple as that.

There is a Bible Broadcasting Station here that is entirely donor funded, no comercials, no begathons. Their audience is toward the older spectrum of Christianty but all they need to do is to mention a need and the need is met.


Mmmmmmm...no. PBS is kept alive by viewers - you know, everyday average people, period. What don't you understand about this? Would it please you more, colliefan, if it were owned by a biased source, or a GLOBAL corporation? Pray tell me, how would this be better? What is better than the average common folk keeping a broadcast alive? LOL! Please do go on...

Peace and God bless,



Lizahana -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 10:09:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

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I'll go there in the next car I buy which will be a hybrid - I'm saving for one. And, if Bush Et Al had not reduced funding for PNGV, who knows? Maybe the engineers would be able to have a marketable auto out there that has 0 pollutant output with no batteries...but, we won't know will we? I know there are models like this that have been built.



And why does the research need to be government funded? And the sites you highlighted are not the proposed drilling sites. Remember the environmentalist wackos have also invaded the government.


Not quite following you here...please elaborate...

Thanks, Peace and God bless,



blessedinnyc -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/28/2008 11:37:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

Nuclear energy...the only problem with it is the waste. I say we dump it all in Massachusettes and kill two birds with one stone.

Actually, nuclear waste becomes less radioactive than the ore it was mined from after 500 years. Now, it's still radioactive and probably shouldn't get into the water table, but after 500 years, it's certainly safe enough to handle (at least radiologically speaking.)

On top of that, if we recycle the waste using breeder reactors, we can make sure that we only have the 500-years-radioactive waste left behind. That's actually France's plan for dealing with it.

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So, who voted for PBS? They were chosen via American Idol correct? And if they were privately funded, why all the begathons? In terms of Sesame Street, where does the money that comes from all the purchases of Elmos go. And why should the goverment be in the broadcasting and arts business? Treat them as a private business. If they can't make money, they go under simple as that.

The "begathons" are where all the people who actually contribute to PBS actually call in and donate private money. This is the same "private money" you say should fund PBS.

Just because you choose not to give doesn't mean other people don't.
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There is a Bible Broadcasting Station here that is entirely donor funded, no comercials, no begathons. Their audience is toward the older spectrum of Christianty but all they need to do is to mention a need and the need is met.

TBN's begathons are a whole lot worse than PBS's, for the record. I guess you're lucky that your station is fully funded, but the true test of an organization is when it seeks private funding.

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And why does the research need to be government funded? And the sites you highlighted are not the proposed drilling sites. Remember the environmentalist wackos have also invaded the government.

Yes, these environmentalist wackos want to make the forests healthier by letting more logging companies in and also make skies clearer by weakening mercury pollution regulations.



stamper_ben -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 11:46:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana


I'll go there in the next car I buy which will be a hybrid - I'm saving for one.


Peace and God bless,

Make sure it's a 4 wheel drive with really high clearance. Might want to have a tractor follow you to pull you out, for it's either going to be snow or mud you get stuck in trying to drive in there. Best bet might be a Hummer, but still don't forget the tractor. There aren't any paved super highways like in the lower 48.[;)]



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 9:36:41 PM)

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if it were owned by a biased source


It is "owned"by a biased source: liberals who give them money. And if it is so sucessful why does it need taxpayer support? Why did Air Head America go under?



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 9:40:50 PM)

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but the true test of an organization is when it seeks private funding. but the true test of an organization is when it seeks private funding.


So, I guess PBS would suffer the fate of Air Head America if it didn't suck on government's teats? Why doesn't it ask George Soros for its operating expenses?



tracydolls -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 9:42:50 PM)

Is'nt most media outlets owned by 7 or 8 companies. I think I read a story saying something like that?



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 9:46:51 PM)

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Yes, these environmentalist wackos want to make the forests healthier by letting more logging companies in


Oh, yes, those evil, evil logging companies? How much damage has been done by wildfires were land hasn't been thined of overgrowth? How many lives have been lost in wildfires because of the threatend leftfooted Italian dirt diver and clear cutting is banned.

To a liberal man=animal. And god=government



colliefan -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/29/2008 9:49:48 PM)

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Is'nt most media outlets owned by 7 or 8 companies. I think I read a story saying something like that?


do you mean local TV, radio, newsprint, internet, satalite? Number much higher than that



its_GO_time -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/30/2008 9:38:42 AM)

“Politicians love a ‘crisis.’ …Why? Because ‘crisis’ justifies making big government bigger. It’s why we now have a global warming ‘crisis’ and in previous years we had ‘crises’ over avian flu, the Y2K threat to computers, imaginary cancer spikes caused by pesticides, killer bees flying up from Mexico, and uncontrolled population growth leading to a ‘Population Bomb’ that will bring ‘riots and mass starvation’ by the year 2000…Prosperity and stability come from people being free to innovate and produce—and yes, fail... Freedom, not control, is the ticket to success.” —John Stossel

John's got it right.[:D]



blessedinnyc -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (4/30/2008 10:42:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan
So, I guess PBS would suffer the fate of Air Head America if it didn't suck on government's teats? Why doesn't it ask George Soros for its operating expenses?

Actually, PBS only gets about 15% of its funding from the federal government. If the feds cut funding, PBS would have to cut a few programs, but it looks like it would largely survive.

Could we do the same thing with John McCain's campaign? Perhaps maybe he should get less federal funding. [:D]

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Oh, yes, those evil, evil logging companies? How much damage has been done by wildfires were land hasn't been thined of overgrowth? How many lives have been lost in wildfires because of the threatend leftfooted Italian dirt diver and clear cutting is banned.

Most of the time, the forest service and other entities use controlled burns to keep the undergrowth under control. In any case, though, one of the big problems with logging is that it can cause a lot of soil erosion if it's not properly managed- and the logging companies have no incentive to protect property they don't own.

Do you trust the federal government to control soil erosion on its properties?



mapachito13 -> RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? (5/1/2008 8:19:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

Most of the time, the forest service and other entities use controlled burns to keep the undergrowth under control.

Do you trust the federal government to control soil erosion on its properties?


I would add to that question "to perform controlled burns" as well. There have been a few instances where these controlled burns in CA became wildfires because they did it on a windy, hot, dry day.

Fire season has started even earlier this year with three that have happened already. And that was April.



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