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deliveredarling -> Need help finding a scripture please (4/13/2008 6:15:33 PM)

Is there a passage or verse that says our past, present and future sins have been forgotten? This was stated and I can't seem to find it. Thanks for your help.



Liveloved -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/13/2008 6:38:23 PM)

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Is there a passage or verse that says our past, present and future sins have been forgotten?


Delivered,
I'm not sure which part of this question is the part that is your emphasis---but Psalm 103:10-12 says,
He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him.
As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.


These verses speak to His forgetfulness of our sins. If you're looking for the 'past, present & future' part, I'll have to continue to ponder that.[:)]



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etnlyHis -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/13/2008 9:25:08 PM)

Jesus died once for all sin.

Some references below.

Romans 5:17-19 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

That means past, present and future. I would be careful thinking about future sin though. Planning to sin implies that therre has not been true repentance.



GraceBro -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/13/2008 9:47:20 PM)

"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." 2 Corinthians 5: 18-19

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding." Ephesians 1: 7-8

"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." Colossians 1: 13-14

"But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—" Colossians 1:22

"He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption." Hebrews 9:12

"Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more." And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin." Hebrews 10: 17-18

There is more as well...

Grace and Peace



jpapaj -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/13/2008 9:51:00 PM)

Lamentations 3 :
22 The LORD’S lovingkindnesses indeed never cease, For His compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning; Great is Your faithfulness.
24 “The LORD is my portion,” says my soul, “Therefore I have hope in Him.”
25 The LORD is good to those who wait for Him, To the person who seeks Him.
26 It is good that he waits silently For the salvation of the LORD.



Anasazi_Avatar -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/14/2008 6:38:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Is there a passage or verse that says our past, present and future sins have been forgotten? This was stated and I can't seem to find it. Thanks for your help.


Hi there,
Your complete answer is found in Romans. chapters 7 and 8. Study these with all prayer and you will receive understanding.

Maranatha



sparkleingsnow -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/14/2008 10:46:45 AM)

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Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


quote:

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/14/2008 4:22:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

If you're looking for the 'past, present & future' part, I'll have to continue to ponder that.[:)]


~It is finished~! John 19:30 PRAISE GOD!

G5055
τελέω
teleō
tel-eh'-o
From G5056; to end, that is, complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt): - accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

The debt for our sin has been paid - past, present and future! This is one of the most liberating truths in Scripture. ~There is therefore, now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus~! Hallelujah!!!

And then...this may be what you are alluding to...

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more

I don't know if this means He "forgets" our sins, tho... I will leave that up to one of the scholars down here to comment on, if they so chose[;)]



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/18/2008 8:28:43 AM)

Thank you for your responses. However, I have another question. If our future sins are already forgiven, then why do we need to repent? Are we then not free to do whatever we want because we are already forgiven? I see this as very dangerous theology. He does not allow us to do whatever we want, but calls us to be holy. i think this statement in itself gives leeway to living a sinful life justified by the Grace He has so generously bestowed on us. An abuse of theology, if you will.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/18/2008 1:58:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Are we then not free to do whatever we want because we are already forgiven? I see this as very dangerous theology. He does not allow us to do whatever we want, but calls us to be holy.



I did not say that I am then free to do whatever I want. I did not say He allows us to do whatever we want. You are coming to conclusions about the way I believe that, frankly, are not there.

Believe me, I know only too well the discipline of the Lord; how grieveous it is. I have had to repent in a hugh way several times since saved 30 years ago.

And yet, I still believe my sins past, present and future are forgiven. It is either finished like Jesus cried from the cross or it is not. My salvation does not depend on me. It depends on the finished work of Christ on the Cross and His resurrection.



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/18/2008 5:18:38 PM)

Cherished, I think you may have taken my previous post as a personal response towards you, it was not. This is a question i have been tossing around for days now, trying to tie up some loss ends in regards to Grace. My response simply means that I am questioning some doctrines of late, that I have heard. Here are some thoughts I am tossing around in my head. maybe you cam help me muddle through them?

1)If future sins are already forgiven, that takes away our choice and need of repentance. This completely supports the licensing of sinning. Especially given that we are given instructions on how to choose. He gives us specific scriptures leading us unto a life of holiness not worldli
ness.

2)Repentance is the key to forgiveness, to turn away from that sin, not to continue going back to it saying "forgive me Lord". He knows whether or not we are true in our asking. We simply can not bull God.

3) If we are truly followers of His, won't we do everything possible to live godly lives? Not because our works are "good", but because we love Him and understand the sacrifice He made for us?

4) I understand that Grace is an undeserved free gift. However, do we not have to choose whether we accept that gift or not? I don't think we can pick and choose only the parts we like and forget about the rest. Paul lays out the expectations for us as believer's. God inspired his words, therefore don't they have the meaning of God's instructions to us?


Is the mental struggle I'm in clear as mud?



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/18/2008 6:35:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling


2)Repentance is the key to forgiveness, to turn away from that sin, not to continue going back to it saying "forgive me Lord". He knows whether or not we are true in our asking. We simply can not bull God.



Your statement above is not supported by scripture. The Apostle John wrote to believers:

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

He said nothing about repentance here.

What about the Christian who is struggling with sin? Have you never struggled with a sin? I certainly have even after repenting and becoming a believer........

It is not a matter of "bulling" the Lord - it is a matter of some Christians struggle sometimes...thank God He is patient and knows how to deliver!



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/19/2008 6:23:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod



Your statement above is not supported by scripture. The Apostle John wrote to believers:
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According to scripture, it is. See as follows:

Mark 1:4

John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5) And saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:repent and believe in the gospel."


Luke 5:23
I have not come to call righteous men, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

For further confirmation, look up repentance in your Bible. You will also see the scripture you provided under repentance. Or at least it is that way in mine[;)]



greatdivide46 -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/19/2008 8:56:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

If our future sins are already forgiven, then why do we need to repent? Are we then not free to do whatever we want because we are already forgiven?
When I read the above quote, I couldn't help but think of Romans 6:1, 2: "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?" If we are dead to sin then we are truly free to do whatever we want to. The thing is our "want to's" will have changed. We will no longer want to sin. If we think we are dead to sin and we still want to sin, something ain't right. [:)]



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/19/2008 6:53:03 PM)

Thank you for that scripture GreatDivide. This very much answers my questions regarding the abuse of Grace. How misinterpreted and misunderstood it really is. You are exactly right in saying "we will not want to sin," not that we can and be free as well.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 12:11:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Thank you for that scripture GreatDivide. This very much answers my questions regarding the abuse of Grace. How misinterpreted and misunderstood it really is. You are exactly right in saying "we will not want to sin," not that we can and be free as well.


This statement does not answer the Christian who does not want to sin but who still struggles in how to be delivered from it.

It seems to me, to the OP, you have already made up your mind and have concluded that a Christian will no longer struggle with sin...

Is that true? Or is that only your experience? Are you judging all Christians by your experience, or by what the whole Word of God says?

I believe God is alot more merciful than How you portray Him in your posts.

Is it always an abuse of grace as you, in your judgement, throw upon all Christians who stuggle with sin?

I think not...

I am saddened that you apparently assume that about all Christians. That is so sad!



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 12:41:41 AM)

This might help...

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

John



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 12:51:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Thank you for your responses. However, I have another question. If our future sins are already forgiven, then why do we need to repent? Are we then not free to do whatever we want because we are already forgiven? I see this as very dangerous theology. He does not allow us to do whatever we want, but calls us to be holy. i think this statement in itself gives leeway to living a sinful life justified by the Grace He has so generously bestowed on us. An abuse of theology, if you will.


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

John



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 7:51:45 AM)

Cherished, i think you are really misunderstanding what it is I am saying. Am I judging them by the scriptures? Yes. i don't think you can call it judging though. Scripture is pretty clear.


2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pe 2:21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pe 2:22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire."


Struggling with sin? Does it have to be a struggle? Can't it be about complete surrender? Peter seems to think differently.

2Pe 1:3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.
2Pe 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of {the} divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
2Pe 1:5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in {your} moral excellence, knowledge,
2Pe 1:6 and in {your} knowledge, self-control, and in {your} self-control, perseverance, and in {your} perseverance, godliness,
2Pe 1:7 and in {your} godliness, brotherly kindness, and in {your} brotherly kindness, love.
2Pe 1:8 For if these {qualities} are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 For he who lacks these {qualities} is blind {or} short-sighted, having forgotten {his} purification from his former sins.
2Pe 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble;
2Pe 1:11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.


My whole point being, is not at all about judging anyone, we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It's about believing what the Word of God says, not what man deems as correct. Our scope of understanding is very short-sighted. People hear what they want to hear. If you hear judgment from me, you are not hearing it correctly. You missed the part about having a Solution to it, Jesus. Crucifying the flesh. His sacrifice was not so that sin could remain.



greatdivide46 -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 11:06:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Struggling with sin? Does it have to be a struggle? Can't it be about complete surrender? Peter seems to think differently.
But don't you think that the very fact that they are struggling means they don't really want to sin? Maybe complete surrender is easier for some folks than it is for others.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 12:17:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: greatdivide46

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Struggling with sin? Does it have to be a struggle? Can't it be about complete surrender? Peter seems to think differently.


But don't you think that the very fact that they are struggling means they don't really want to sin? Maybe complete surrender is easier for some folks than it is for others.


Amen!!!

I think we can actually be used to put someone in more bondage by insisting they do something which they are already struggling to do. That puts more guilt and condemnation on the one struggling which makes it even more difficult to escape the sin they are in!

It is far more superior to point someone to the Lord Jesus Christ who alone can deliver them than to insist they repent. God knows how to get them to repent.

It is often best to back off, pray for someone and let God deal with them. Not insist what happend in our own deliverance be the same path that they need to go.

Repent, yes....but don't sink someone further into despair, please!

People that are not trained to deal with people in addictions, really should back off because they often do much more harm than good.

You mentioned Peter. Peter certaintly did struggle with sin. Just re-read the gospels[&:]



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 3:10:05 PM)

cherished, i am gathering I have hit a nerve with you as you have taken this very personally and brought in information from an entirely different thread. I fully believe what James 4:17 says that scripture is used for. There is not judgment doing this. if it brings about conviction, that is God, not me. Sorry hon, i just ain't that powerful. I cna't put anybody into further despair. However, it does tell me that a person is knowingly and willingly doing something they know they aren't supposed to be doing. Not judgment-common sense.

I know how it is to struggle. i know what it feels like to struggle. i assure you, i am so far from polly perfect, it's not even funny. The difference between today and five years ago, is Jesus Christ. I thought I knew Him then, I didn't have a clue. Today, I don't want to do things that displease Him.
Now get this, I smoke[sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] i used to struggle with whether or not it is wrong. I even would feel very bad about doing it. I would complete the "i'm sorry, forgive me, Lord and go light another one for a long time. i lived in shame, guilt and even hiding it. Do I know that it is a bad witness? Only in the eyes of the self-righteous. I took the problem to the Lord. I said, " Lord, you know that i love to smoke, you know that I'm not really sorry that I do. i feel ashamed when i say i am sorry and i don't mean it. So, I'm not going to do that anymore. At this point, Lord I'm just not sorry and I probably won't be until you decide to make me willing to give them up."
You know what, He still loves me. i don't feel guilty anymore because I am not trying to deceive Him or me.
I don't know Cherished, if you can get that i am so not a judgmental person at all. of all the things I have done in my past, I can't judge anyone. What I do want, is to help others find the deliverance that I did. It's not going to be the same for everyone and i on't think the struggle is easier for some than it is for others. When I question scripture or put something out there that may sound harsh, trust me, I apply those same standards to my own life. I practice what I preach and I am consistent in doing it. Yes, even about smoking, the"rules don't change because I think I am special"[;)] I truly hope this has helped you understand.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 4:11:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

cherished, i am gathering I have hit a nerve with you as you have taken this very personally and brought in information from an entirely different thread. I fully believe what James 4:17 says that scripture is used for. There is not judgment doing this. if it brings about conviction, that is God, not me. Sorry hon, i just ain't that powerful. I cna't put anybody into further despair. However, it does tell me that a person is knowingly and willingly doing something they know they aren't supposed to be doing. Not judgment-common sense.

I know how it is to struggle. i know what it feels like to struggle. i assure you, i am so far from polly perfect, it's not even funny. The difference between today and five years ago, is Jesus Christ. I thought I knew Him then, I didn't have a clue. Today, I don't want to do things that displease Him.
Now get this, I smoke[sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] i used to struggle with whether or not it is wrong. I even would feel very bad about doing it. I would complete the "i'm sorry, forgive me, Lord and go light another one for a long time. i lived in shame, guilt and even hiding it. Do I know that it is a bad witness? Only in the eyes of the self-righteous. I took the problem to the Lord. I said, " Lord, you know that i love to smoke, you know that I'm not really sorry that I do. i feel ashamed when i say i am sorry and i don't mean it. So, I'm not going to do that anymore. At this point, Lord I'm just not sorry and I probably won't be until you decide to make me willing to give them up."
You know what, He still loves me. i don't feel guilty anymore because I am not trying to deceive Him or me.
I don't know Cherished, if you can get that i am so not a judgmental person at all. of all the things I have done in my past, I can't judge anyone. What I do want, is to help others find the deliverance that I did. It's not going to be the same for everyone and i on't think the struggle is easier for some than it is for others. When I question scripture or put something out there that may sound harsh, trust me, I apply those same standards to my own life. I practice what I preach and I am consistent in doing it. Yes, even about smoking, the"rules don't change because I think I am special"[;)] I truly hope this has helped you understand.


No, it is not bringing in conviction...you sound condemning and judgemental to me...

I spent the majority of my weekend working with drug addicts and alcholic women this past weekend.

Not one word was said about repentance.

But God moved powerfully!

I saw unbelievers start becoming interested. I saw prodigals beginning to turn home to God. I saw the hopeless begin to have a spark of hope.

Many asked me to pray with them. I saw Bibles opened. I saw questions asked. I saw prison doors begin to be opened.

I saw God move through me!

I was nothing but an empty vessel but full of the Holy Spirit. My heart broke over seeing bruised faces on ladies who have been recently beaten. My heart broke over broken and shattered hearts from most of the women who have been abused. The drugs and the alcohol are only a symptom of deep, deep woundings!

Jesus was in me! Jesus moved through me! I did not have to say one word about repentance. They were repenting delivered darling. They were being touched powerfully.

Please go read the gospels. Jesus told the woman caught in adultry to "go and sin no more". Yet He mentioned nothing about repenting to the woman at the well and yet she and many of the men at that town got saved. BTW that town was called Sycar which means "drunken"

No, delivereddarling. I run the other way from people who approach me as you have posted on this thread.........I run from people who appear to use the Bible as a whipping board.



deliveredarling -> RE: Need help finding a scripture please (4/21/2008 4:36:28 PM)

I am sorry that you feel the way you do. In referencing conviction, that was not directed at bringing about conviction to you. My name means I was delivered- from alcohol. I have spent the last 9 months working at a homeless shelter for women dealing with addiction. I have seen what you have seen. i have also seen the darker side because i was there. No judgment, just understanding. My previous posts were directed at people who claim to know Christ, yet deny Him by their deeds. the Bible says it it better for people to have not known the ways of God than for those who know His ways and depart from it. This was why I was questioning the who future sins being forgiven in the first place. it's almost like it is premeditated sin with a free pass. this is not what the Bible says. How do you see this as the Bible being used as a whipping board? Do you really think that it is wise for someone to go up to a non-believer and shove scriptures that mean nothing to them in their face? It would not have worked on me and I certainly don't expect it to work on others. We are on a Christian forum, so I would guess that under the heading of Bible, there would be Christians posting on the forum, so i directed it to a specified audience, not addressing non-believers.....



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