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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:44:30 PM
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blanc1rp
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I wonder if Obama meant that rural folk cling to guns and religion not out of ignorance, but because the failings of the government have only left them with their firearms and churches? When the people lose everything they have of course they are going to cling desperately to the few things in life that they have left.
BTW Obama's statement was not elitist, because he didn't condemn their actions as being inferior to those of more urban people, he was merely making an observation about the state of things. Call him out of touch if you want, I think even that's a stretch coming from a small Michigan farmtown myself, but you can't call him elitist because of this speech.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:50:15 PM
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Real faith allows a person to know that no matter what happens in life God is in control and will provide our every need. The government will fail just because it's created by imperfect men. History shows that time and time again. Rural people understand that in times of crisis they have to depend on God (for those who believe, not all rural people are Christians ) and themselves simply because it takes time to get there.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:50:49 PM
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Yes we can.
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I wonder if Obama meant that rural folk cling to guns and religion not out of ignorance, but because the failings of the government have only left them with their firearms and churches? When the people lose everything they have of course they are going to cling desperately to the few things in life that they have left.
BTW Obama's statement was not elitist, because he didn't condemn their actions as being inferior to those of more urban people, he was merely making an observation about the state of things. Call him out of touch if you want, I think even that's a stretch coming from a small Michigan farmtown myself, but you can't call him elitist because of this speech.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:51:02 PM
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Every time Obama opens his mouth, he embarrasses himself. He's showing his true colors so I hope he keeps it up. I'm sure this won't be his last mess-up and there will be more to come.
It will be refreshing to have a President who can actually speak intelligently without a teleprompter (and I'm referring to all three of the remaining candidates).
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:52:19 PM
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lightshineon
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Is someone new running?
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Every time Obama opens his mouth, he embarrasses himself. He's showing his true colors so I hope he keeps it up. I'm sure this won't be his last mess-up and there will be more to come.
It will be refreshing to have a President who can actually speak intelligently without a telepromter (and I'm referring to all three of the remaining candidates).
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:53:41 PM
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Would the term "condescending" be more to your taste than "elite"? 
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:53:50 PM
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Is someone new running?
...don't you wish.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:57:31 PM
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blanc1rp
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Yes we can.
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I wonder if Obama meant that rural folk cling to guns and religion not out of ignorance, but because the failings of the government have only left them with their firearms and churches? When the people lose everything they have of course they are going to cling desperately to the few things in life that they have left.
BTW Obama's statement was not elitist, because he didn't condemn their actions as being inferior to those of more urban people, he was merely making an observation about the state of things. Call him out of touch if you want, I think even that's a stretch coming from a small Michigan farmtown myself, but you can't call him elitist because of this speech.
You are right I'm sorry. You can call him elitist, but you would not be using the English language to its full potential if you ignored the meanings of words.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:57:40 PM
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wing2000
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It's a dig at Bush. See it's been okay to talk smack about him but have mercy if we do the same about BHO
Is that why there is only one Bush thread (strictly enforced)
I'm waiting to see if all these Obama threads are reduced to one when he is President. Then we can read all of TomTurn's rantings in one thread :)
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:01:28 PM
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StephK
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It's a dig at Bush. See it's been okay to talk smack about him but have mercy if we do the same about BHO
Is that why there is only one Bush thread (strictly enforced)
I'm waiting to see if all these Obama threads are reduced to one when he is President. Then we can read all of TomTurn's rantings in one thread :)
That is why that thread came about. It's for moderation. At this time the PTB haven't deemed it necessary to make a one stop thread. Perhaps they are waiting until after the elections. After all this is the elections folder. It helps to have some leeway to discuss the candidates in separate threads so that there is more participation.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:02:13 PM
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lightshineon
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OK. then.
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Yes we can.
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I wonder if Obama meant that rural folk cling to guns and religion not out of ignorance, but because the failings of the government have only left them with their firearms and churches? When the people lose everything they have of course they are going to cling desperately to the few things in life that they have left.
BTW Obama's statement was not elitist, because he didn't condemn their actions as being inferior to those of more urban people, he was merely making an observation about the state of things. Call him out of touch if you want, I think even that's a stretch coming from a small Michigan farmtown myself, but you can't call him elitist because of this speech.
You are right I'm sorry. You can call him elitist, but you would not be using the English language to its full potential if you ignored the meanings of words.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 1:44:54 AM
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trents289
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Thats right i am from a small town. I grew up in a small town. And we do cling to our guns and our religon. Maybe Obama should find a Bible based church. My prayers to Obama that he can find it in his heart to follow the Holy Bible. And listen to what God would have him do. We need to pray for all the canidates to follow God.
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
Prov 29:2 (KJV)
Let us get back to the Holy Bible put it back in our schools after all it is the best written history book of all times.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 8:31:03 AM
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TomTurn
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Mentioned in another topic that I am beggining to think that Michelle Obama is really "in charge" and Barack Hussein Obama is a puppet. She comes right out and says what she means and when he gets away from the teleprompter he starts saying the same but not as forceful.
In a few years she will be another Hillary.
But then I am just
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 9:20:28 AM
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TomTurn
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Blogger Is Surprised by Uproar Over Obama Story, but Not Bitter
Mayhill Fowler, a blogger for OffTheBus.net, a Web site published by Huffington Post and created by Arianna Huffington and Jay Rosen, was the first to report Mr. Obama’s comments — that small-town voters bitter over their economic circumstances, “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations.
The comments created an instant sensation in the media and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton seized on them, hoping they would slow Mr. Obama’s momentum in the polls against her in Pennsylvania, which votes in 8 days. If Pennsylvania rejects Mr. Obama by a big margin, and voters in Indiana and North Carolina follow suit, the comment could be seen as the game-changer.
Ms. Fowler told me in an interview Sunday night that she was initially reluctant to write about what Mr. Obama had said because she actually supports him -- which partly explains why she was at the fund-raiser in the first place and why there was a four-day delay between the event and the publication of her post. Ultimately, she said, she decided that if she didn’t write about it, she wouldn’t be worth her salt as a journalist.
Full article
Wonder if the NYT got the power of that last statement? They have covered up so much for the new messiah.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 9:38:11 AM
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Thomas Sowell has summed it up nicely.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 12:02:01 PM
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TomTurn
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Thomas Sowell has summed it up nicely.
Yes he did. The real irony is that this damage to Obama was done via the HuffPo which is totally Obama oriented. And now Obama is finding it difficult to get the media protection he needs.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 12:25:52 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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Mentioned in another topic that I am beggining to think that Michelle Obama is really "in charge" and Barack Hussein Obama is a puppet. She comes right out and says what she means and when he gets away from the teleprompter he starts saying the same but not as forceful.
In a few years she will be another Hillary.
But then I am just
Sounds like she plans to do things just like HC did during her mans run at the office.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 1:02:28 PM
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colliefan
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Most of NC's population of 8 million comes from small towns and cities. While the large population centers of the Triad, the Triangle, and Charlotte area tend to dominate the news the state is largely rural. The large cities probably will go for Barry but his commets could anger the rest of the state.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 2:34:11 PM
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tacitus
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Sorry to say, for you anyway, but today's opinion polls, taken after the "bitter" remarks, in PA have barely budged since last week. Seems like "small town folk" in PA have more sense and perspective than the right-wing talking head elites on TV give them credit for. I doubt it will be any different in NC where Obama has a large lead over Clinton.
In the end, Clinton will win PA by about 10 points, which considering she was leading by about 19 points a month ago, is not such a great victory (but she will spin it as such) and she will still lose the nomination. The race has been over for a month -- the math dictated that already -- she just doesn't want to accept the inevitable yet.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 2:39:34 PM
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TomTurn
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Think this and other has shown that Barack Hussein Obama would have never came close to getting on the ticket without the protection he had from the media. And he has many more months to show who he really is.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 3:52:26 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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The race has been over for a month -- the math dictated that already -- she just doesn't want to accept the inevitable yet.
You wish; but If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. If wishing could make things happen, then even the most destitute people would have everything they wanted.
None-the-less, the voting system in this Country doesn't work that way; if it did there would be not reason for anyone else to vote. No, there are Christians praying all over this Country, and in other Countries, that God's will, will be done. Those who have yet to vote will do so knowing their vote does count --- just as much as the first one, that was cast, counted. It's not over until the last vote cast is counted.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/15/2008 4:01:02 PM
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P31W
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It's not over until the last vote cast is counted.
Shoot! I didn't think it was over until the "fat lady sings" 
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