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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 7:55:26 PM
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Hello! It's best to discuss the character of the person running for POTUS BEFORE the election. The more he speaks off the cuff the more we get to see his real character and thinking. Just listening to his well rehearsed speeches does not truly give a glimpse to the man running for the highest elected office in the world.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 8:05:39 PM
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We like to think that people can't think for themselves and comprehend the context and message behind the words. It's much different than lying or assuming.
you are correct, it was not lying and assuming; it was an arrogant. , elitistist, and racist statement that shows Obama for his true self..
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How is he elitist? What constitutes elitism? Because he is a millionaire? For those that think Obama is on par with the Clintons of the world, there are over 4,500 millionaires in the state of MD alone. To be a millionaire in this day and age is not hard to do. Especially if you're a lawyer, doctor, or even in IT. I know people in my field who make 6 figures a year and have made well over a million in less than ten years. And they are regular folk. They are no more Elite than the person down the street.
Heck, I'm bitter about some things the government does. Especially with the war and how our international reputation is in the gutter. Or should I say I'm disappointed? How is that condescending? AS easy as it is to misinterpret meanings int he Bible, I feel we misinterpret what people say as well. How many times have we gotten a person wrong when we misinterpreted what they meant or said? I'm not an elitist and I found nothing condescending in his statements. Go figure.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 8:07:40 PM
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Hello! It's best to discuss the character of the person running for POTUS BEFORE the election. The more he speaks off the cuff the more we get to see his real character and thinking. Just listening to his well rehearsed speeches does not truly give a glimpse to the man running for the highest elected office in the world.
Better someone who speaks off the cuff than someone who lies or glosses over the truth and tries to be politically correct to save his own career. But we dont' want to hurt anyone's feelings now do we? I see, we'd rather hear the same old political lines.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 8:27:49 PM
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Hello! It's best to discuss the character of the person running for POTUS BEFORE the election. The more he speaks off the cuff the more we get to see his real character and thinking. Just listening to his well rehearsed speeches does not truly give a glimpse to the man running for the highest elected office in the world.
Better someone who speaks off the cuff than someone who lies or glosses over the truth and tries to be politically correct to save his own career. But we dont' want to hurt anyone's feelings now do we? I see, we'd rather hear the same old political lines.
I most definitely want to hear what they say off the cuff. I don't think Obama is qualified for the job because he has no real world experience in running anything. His only experience is academia and politics.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 8:29:39 PM
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Let's see Obama doesn't want to break ties with a racist pator and goes to a radical who attempted to blow up the Pentagon the get the radical's political blessings. He thinks that having a young woman getting pregant out of wedlock keep her baby is punishing her. The guy wants to sit down and have tea with a maniac who wants to eliminate Isreal from the face of the earth.
The guy is great in front of a teleprompter, but when he speaks from the heart he reveals his true self and it isn't pretty.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 8:58:21 PM
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And Christians keep running to him like he is the 2nd coming of Jesus....very sad
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 9:38:33 PM
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Bo, is not a truthful man, no one can claim that. McCain, love him, hate him, indifferent to him,it does not matter, even if it is unpopular ( and things are he stands for) he straight-up. Now Many black people such as Larry Elder, talk show host,and author, were at one time, really for him . That was four years ago, now Larry is totally against him. Colin Powell is no fan of BO either, these are men with outstanding charecter. I remember watching the Larry Elder show, and Larry claiming he could not wait for Obama to be president, like I said that was four years ago.
Many people, black and white after the Democratic convention last election were for him, saying he was a uniter, even my white mother, loved him. Something in peoples spirits, black people also, see something not right with him. This is called discernment, as discribed in 1 corinthians 12. Just because he is black, alot of AA see through the facade. They know he will not give a hoot and nanny, about them once in office. He is just using black people to obtain their vote. That my friends, is called a user, a decietful man. Who wants to be used? OJ was suddenly black, when he needed to be, just like BO.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 9:40:21 PM
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How is he elitist? What constitutes elitism?
The fact that he equates church attendance, and gun ownership with "bitterness" over economic conditions. He's got all the psycho-babble figured out, on us snake handlers. That we all get up on Sunday morning not for praise, worship of our Savior(regardless of our economic condition), but to scheme on how to restore this country to the typical white guy. This is a guy who has gotten his voter demographic info, from old Norman Lear sitcoms, and King of the Hill reruns.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 10:06:09 PM
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Although everyone has a right to an opinion about political candidates, it seems this election season (more than previous ones) has been more about waiting for someone to say or do something unwise, and use that incident/comment as an excuse to emotionally fly off the handle, and make any number of surly accusations (e.g. racist. elitist, ageist, etc) against him/her.
This kneejerk venom-spouting goes for both liberals and conservatives. But here's my two cents for American voters: lighten up.
Your stress levels may thank you for it.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:57:10 PM
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Give him a day and a room full of speech writers (he claims he wrote that speech himself but I sincerely doubt it), and he comes off looking smooth again. Some were even comparing his speech to that of Dr. Martin Luther King.
That was a shame, that speech. In 2 lifetimes, Bo could never be MLK. MLK was a Christian man that BELIEVED Jesus. He turned the other cheek and changed a nation. I have listened to his speechs to all Black audiences and they are terrible also. He came to MN right before Super Tuesday.
It is funny he puts religion with that. You are suppose to cling to Jesus, especially in times of trouble.
I think it just did'nt come out right. Lynching went up in economic hard times. That's well documented.
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That was four years ago, now Larry is totally against him. Colin Powell is no fan of BO either, these are men with outstanding charecter.
I cannot stand Larry, love Colin would like to se what he has to say about what went on in the Bush ADmin. but he is honorable and will not tell.
I know a whole lot of AA people that do not like BO. Myself included. It's not anything to do with his actual politics.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 12:12:11 AM
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Colin Powell is no fan of BO either, these are men with outstanding charecter.
“I’m looking at all three candidates,” Mr. Powell said. “I know them all very, very well. I consider myself a friend of each and every one of them. And I have not decided who I will vote for yet.”
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 12:20:37 AM
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Although everyone has a right to an opinion about political candidates, it seems this election season (more than previous ones) has been more about waiting for someone to say or do something unwise, and use that incident/comment as an excuse to emotionally fly off the handle, and make any number of surly accusations (e.g. racist. elitist, ageist, etc) against him/her.
This kneejerk venom-spouting goes for both liberals and conservatives. But here's my two cents for American voters: lighten up.
Your stress levels may thank you for it.
I believe the main reason everyone is putting so much stock into what Barack is saying is for a couple of reasons;
1.We don't know anything about him. He spent what 7 years in the Illinois senate and didn't do too much while he was there. At least not noteworthy enough to stand out to anyone outside of Illinois.
2.He became a U.S. senator in 2004 which means he didn't start until 2005 so that gives him only 3 years experience there and again nothing noteworthy, nothing to speak of. Ask most people about some of Barack's accomplishments and they can't name anything. I'm not saying there aren't any, I'm just saying that a majority of people don't know any.
3.The majority of the media has given Barack a pass. When he went of the View the other day they pined over how handsome he was. It took the only conservative on the show Elisabeth Hasselbeck to actually ask him any tough questions. Now compare that to when McCain was on, everyone bombarded him with serious, issue related questions.
So we have to base our opinions about Barack based on what he tells us since we have no other sources. I don't know about you but I believe a man or woman's character plays just as heavy a roll, if not more than their stand on issues. And lately, since we have moved beyond the chants of "Change, Change, Change!" and "Yes We Can!" we are actually starting to see some of what Barack is about and from where I stand it isn't pretty.
Barack says that Rev. Wright doesn't always speak that way in church, that the media is just playing 30 second sounds bites over and over. Well in my experience in attending church and visiting other churches, including black churches, the pastors are usually pretty consistent in their style of preaching and their attitudes that they present.
Barack says that he wasn't there and didn't hear Rev. Wright say these things but the things that are coming out of his mouth lately, plus the things that his wife says, tells me otherwise. They are right in line with the attitude that Rev. Wright has expressed. That America is bad and the government is to blame for everything.
Right now unemployment is around 5% and was as low as 4.5%. When I was growing up 5% was a goal that the president was shooting for, 5% was something good, now all of a sudden all of America is out of work and it's the bad ol' governments fault.
They say we are in a recession, even though the accurate definition of a recession is 2 quarters of negative growth, which we have not had. And this is the governments fault! It has nothing to do with the fact that economies will always correct themselves. They go up and they go down.
This is the truest line of any liberal Democrat. Bigger government will solve your problems. Give us your money because you don't know how to spend it correctly. You make to much, we need to distribute it to the poor. This is exactly what we are hearing from Obama.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 12:26:43 AM
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his view was somewhat different on the view. He is being gracious on GMA.
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Colin Powell is no fan of BO either, these are men with outstanding charecter.
“I’m looking at all three candidates,” Mr. Powell said. “I know them all very, very well. I consider myself a friend of each and every one of them. And I have not decided who I will vote for yet.”
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 12:28:13 AM
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Colin Powell is no fan of BO either, these are men with outstanding charecter.
“I’m looking at all three candidates,” Mr. Powell said. “I know them all very, very well. I consider myself a friend of each and every one of them. And I have not decided who I will vote for yet.”
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 12:53:33 AM
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I don't believe he knows small town america. He don't have alot of knowledge about alot of different voters. His time in Illinois was on the south of Chicago. Oh my gosh, alot of people from Chicago in Mpls. It was so bad that a mayor had to have them stopped on freeways, a wellknown gang member getting out of prison. He really don't identify with me and my family. And we're a LARGE AA family. None of us believe in abortions and my dad being a hunter would have a fit if you came and got his guns. My problem is his theology/beliefs do not match ours. I wish they did. Have you ever seen the videos when he is in Church? Not only is he off beat, he don't look like he really paying attention.
Him helping the poor I HOPE he doe's. I at this point don't need an economist telling me what is going on ... I know I pay more for gas, food. I know people getting out of their houses. I know people unemployed and not counted in unemployment rolls anymore because they don't collect it anymore.
One of my daughter's is a stock broker, she says their putting band-aids on this mess, trying to cover it up. She tells me to keep my eye on the banks like Bear STerns falling.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 2:22:56 AM
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My problem is not so much that Obama said that there are bitter people in small towns that and that bitterness causes them to have attitudes that others who do not live in such places or had such experiences would know "better" than to have. That is terribly elitist and innacurate,though perhaps with a grain of truth that makes it worse, but another of his implications is worse. He strongly implied that clinging to religion was one of those negative reactions that people who haven't lost their jobs or had any reason to become bitter would need. His subtle put-down to Christianity bothers me more than anything else. What I'd like to say to in response to him is that Jesus is real, and He really is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. We don't follow Him because we think He is going to solve our economic problems, though of course He could if He wanted to, but because He forgives our sins and transforms our lives. We follow Him because He deserves to be followed. The reason I am a Christian is about Jesus, and has nothing to do with how much money I have or don't have, or whether or not I or my husband has a good job.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 9:40:46 AM
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I watched Clinton give her speech yesterday in rebutal to Obama, and was astounded once again at her pandering.
She spoke of her faith, and her love for guns, and immigrants etc. etc.
I got a mental image of her setting in a rural Church with a bonnet on, her shotgun across her lap, a black on one side of her and an immigrant on the other singing "We Shall Overcome" and getting ready to go kill a rabbit for Sunday dinner on the grounds.
What a hoot; she is the consequential example of, "Anybody's ole dog that will hunt with her".
The choice the demokrats have is just bad and badder.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 9:48:04 AM
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Read Obama's "Apology" for the small-town" statement. He did not say that what he said was not what he believed; only that if he offended anyone he was sorry.
So I still maintain that the arrogance, racism, elitism, and outright disdain of his statement is the real Obama.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 10:08:21 AM
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I know people in my field who make 6 figures a year and have made well over a million in less than ten years. And they are regular folk.
Have made about that much but as Michelle Obama says, I do not want all that pie and it is her duty to take it from me and give it to someone else.
My total income for the last ten years has been about $1,100,000 but then as a single guy whose only deductions are my little house and what I give to charity (tithe), I have to hand over a lot in taxes.
income - $1,100,000
federal tax - $330,000
state tax - $100,000
fica - $77,000
local taxes and tax on goods - $55,000
tithe (which I am happy to give back to God) - $250,000
Now compared to many in the U.S. and around the world I am belssed to be having about $288,000 left over to live on the past 10 years but who could have put let's say $230,000 of that federal, $50,000 of the state, $67,000 of the fica and $25,000 of the local and other to better use, me or Barack and Michelle Obama (the government)?
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 10:12:44 AM
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Oh, forgot to add. I live in small town America and love the Lord and thank Him for the 2nd Amendment saying my right to chose to defend myself comes from God and not the government or misguided Christians.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 10:38:20 AM
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While it's obvious there are some folks who have very strong anti-Obama sentiment, I think most of those, especially those who post on this board, probably held that sentiment from the beginning. His recent statements only serve to further infuriate his "enemies," but since they were already his "enemies", how much ground did he really lose? The "bitter" statement, quite frankly, is probably the way a lot of liberals and "city folk" feel about "small town America", so I submit he didn't lose anything. On a side note, I find it amusing, yes downright hillarious, at how some white people are walking around with their lips poked out like little children like Obama's statements have truly personally scarred them from life. Get over it people. He's a politician, just like the rest of them. Disecting and trying to find something that is racist or that offends you in every word he says reminds me of how some of you portray black so-called "race baiters" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Some of you have said a lot of things that can be conscrued as racist, offensive, insensitive, etc., but since none of you are running for president, I guess that makes it excusable? My point is, get over it. Don't vote for him, campaign against him, campaign for the guy who once referred to some Christians as "agents of intolerance", but please, get a life!
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 10:50:23 AM
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Isn't that the reason why we are discussing it on these boards? It's politics. The man is running for the highest political office in the world and the issues must be discussed prior to the election not after. I will keep saying it, Obama is not fit to be the POTUS.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 11:14:13 AM
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Stephk,
Stop being so typically white (-:
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/13/2008 11:18:04 AM
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While it's obvious there are some folks who have very strong anti-Obama sentiment, I think most of those, especially those who post on this board, probably held that sentiment from the beginning.
Have been anti marxist all my life.
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