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hawknelsonismyfriend -> Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 4:33:54 PM)

My mom pretty much only lets me listen to Christian music, but all the bands I like are changing their sound (Relient K, Sanctus Real) so I'm desperate for new bands so I've been buying stuff on iTunes that sounds kinda like the old bands I like. It's fine to listen to secular stuff as long as it's pretty much clean or if it's bad I know it's wrong right? Like for example, there's this band from Sweden called the Teddybears and their name is making fun of all the black metal over there, and I think on their first cd cover (look on wikipedia) I'm guessing theyre making fun of the black metal even more. None of their lyrics are bad, but my mom hates them about that, but theyre music doesnt sound like all the boring new music thats out now. Sorry if that didnt make a lot of sense haha.



Conundrum -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 4:46:21 PM)

I'm gonna sound like a parent, but trust me, I ain't one. [;)]

If you're living under your parents' roof and they're supporting you, then I think you need to respect their wishes. If your mom doesn't want you listening to secular music, then don't.

You can probably find some good Christian indie bands that have the sound you're looking for. It just takes a little more hunting.

Once you move out and on your own, then you can dig out the (decent) secular music.

My two cents.



hawknelsonismyfriend -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 4:51:38 PM)

she doesnt really care as long as their not bad. that band "teddybears sthlm" isnt bad, just one of their cds is making fun of black metal with the cd cover. and trust me, Ive searched every indie Christian band and I cant find anyone but some indie bands in texas that stopped making music. so far t he only band that sounds like old rk is sugarcult.



bradcongo -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 4:56:19 PM)

I have struggled with this issue before. I went from one extreme to the other- from nothing but Christian music, to nothing but secular. Here is what I have come up with- secular music in itself is not wrong. It's the lyrics and the meanings that can sometimes make it something to stay away from. You just have to use sound judgement here. I've found a few secular artists that I like that I see nothing wrong with. But honestly, I mainly listen to Christian music. It's just safer, it has a great message, and a lot of times it helps me through the day. Some of the mainstream music nowadays (I sound like I'm a hundred) aren't about anything other than sex, money and drugs. Plus, they all sound the same! It's hard to find good music anymore. But like I said, just use good judgement. As the previous person said, good music is out there, you just have to dig a little. [:)]



hawknelsonismyfriend -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 5:33:09 PM)

OK, so basically its fine as long as it has a good message or isnt bad.



bradcongo -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 9:00:12 PM)

That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Sometimes you'll find a good secular group or artist you like, but find out you should probably stay away from them. When that happens, it's good to find one of those "if you like...then you'll like..." lists. You can find those online or in Christian stores. For example, I kinda like Eminem's sound, but his lyrics are terrible. But, I found a Christian artist (KJ-52) that sounded pretty much the same. So you just have to hunt around sometimes.



humbleinspirit -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 9:26:55 PM)

You can play it safe by listening to Christian artists who are in the mainstream such as Lifehouse. Or if you are a little more poppy, then The Fray or Matt Kearney as well.



Rufas2000 -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/5/2008 10:00:17 PM)

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It's fine to listen to secular stuff as long as it's pretty much clean or if it's bad I know it's wrong right?


Yep.

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If you're living under your parents' roof and they're supporting you, then I think you need to respect their wishes. If your mom doesn't want you listening to secular music, then don't.


Yep too. And it overrides the first yep.

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she doesnt really care as long as their not bad


Hooray, its OK then

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that band "teddybears sthlm" isnt bad, just one of their cds is making fun of black metal with the cd cover.


Except for that. Maybe you could show your Mom the lyrics?



hawknelsonismyfriend -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/6/2008 1:08:23 AM)

ok thanks for all the advice dudes! but theres no alternative to teddybears. check them out on itune sby typing in "cobrastyle - ep" and see how cool they are.



ManimalX -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/6/2008 4:29:06 PM)

hawknelsonismyfriend: The guiding principle in this situation is Philippians 4:8, "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."[/blue]

When you walk around during your day and the lyrics and music are going around in your head, can they be categorized as a Philippians 4:8 thought? If you are constantly muttering, "Dontcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me" throughout your day, you are nowhere near the mindset God would want you to be in, and you should probably think twice about continuing to listen to that song.

Remember that music is powerful: music has mental, emotional, and physical effects on a person.

Also, music listening is a great chance to develop discipline, especially while you are still long. Are you just giving in to your flesh's desire to hear the next great thing and letting your emotion rule you? Try a new style of music. Make yourself listen. Think about the lyrics. Think about the intent of the artist. Learn how to honor God no matter what style of music is being played. For me, it meant completely eliminating hard rock from my music library, and making myself listening to hymns, which I initially hated, until I began learning their history and really listening to the words, learning to honor God even in the music I listened to.



ambooks512 -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/7/2008 4:21:37 PM)

Here is a link to website that helps you find Christian bands its a if you like this then try this I hope this helps!
http://www.undergroundchristianmusic.com/index2.html



happyhippie -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/7/2008 4:49:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000

quote:

It's fine to listen to secular stuff as long as it's pretty much clean or if it's bad I know it's wrong right?


Yep.

quote:

If you're living under your parents' roof and they're supporting you, then I think you need to respect their wishes. If your mom doesn't want you listening to secular music, then don't.


Yep too. And it overrides the first yep.

quote:

she doesnt really care as long as their not bad


Hooray, its OK then

quote:

that band "teddybears sthlm" isnt bad, just one of their cds is making fun of black metal with the cd cover.


Except for that. Maybe you could show your Mom the lyrics?



As long as a songs lyrics do not contradict scripture they are fine.



jive4005 -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 5:34:52 AM)

there are a lotta good instrumental bands out there. The Spirit will let you know if they are or are not in sync with God. Go lend an ear...

His
Rev J
(full time singer-entertainer)



nealmorsefan -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 12:08:13 PM)

By all means, we should seek out music that is "not bad" or stays "clean". We should seek to listen to music that is "inoffensive" and does not threaten are moral well-being.

Ewww...you just got spit out of God's mouth.



GrapeApe -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 6:38:05 PM)

What ManimalX said.

I despise secular music anyways.



happyhippie -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 8:03:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jive4005

there are a lotta good instrumental bands out there. The Spirit will let you know if they are or are not in sync with God. Go lend an ear...

His
Rev J
(full time singer-entertainer)




How can an instrumental group be "out of sync with God"? It is instrumental no words at all. To another poster what is wrong with secular music? Secular music is better that at least 80% of what passes for CCM and 100% better than southern gospel.



MusicianDad -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 10:56:25 PM)

I like hot guitars and classic rock, so there's not a lot out there in Christian music that fills that bill. I wish there was a Christian version of Deep Purple.



Dakotasunbeam -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/8/2008 11:55:43 PM)

What ManimalX said. But I don't think its wrong to listen to secular music if its not bad.



BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 7:11:53 AM)

I can honestly say, I've been listening to Contempary (sp?) Christian Music since the late 1980s and I can tell you that through my 14 years of being a faithful Christian, that CONTEMP CHRISTIAN MUSIC STINKS!!

I am a big Christian hip hop fan, and man the guys are just no where near the secular guys . . not in production not in talent. Only a handful of Christian artists get positive responses when I pay them around non Christians. Mars Ill . . . I think that's it.

Music is supposed to be Music, the problem I have with too many Christian rappers is that they PREACH through out their music, that's not MUSIC, that's PREACHING. Also I can understand in having praise and worship songs, but if your music is all about praise and worship then call it that praise and worship hip hop not real hip hop.

I just want better rhyming and better production . .. . period.

The same for Christian Rock. Too many bands either sell out and dump JESUS all together like Evanesance (sp?) or they just aren't good.

MXPX is still around and they are good, but they need to develop their sound more they are light years behind Green Day.

Relient K is doing well, and so are some other groups, but we don't have a Christian Beatles or Christian Rolling Stones or Christian Dr. Dre folks who change the industry and the way music is made.

We have too many folks who water down and steal secular trends and fall way short.

Music overall isn't good right now, but man I would love to see a Christian group the caliber of Nickelback, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jay Z, Eminem, Swisha House, etc. . . .

GRITS is probably the only Christian group who's beats are near secular ones, everyone else is still way behind.

Some Christian emcees can rep as Magellan says, "It's 2007 whey Christian rappers sounding like Chuck D.?"

As the guys from the Shaolin Mixtape put it, "We have to be realistic it's not 1995 it's 2005 (at the time) it's not 1985, who are we trying to reach? The guy listening to G unit, the G listening to 50 Cent and this is what you are putting out?"

Some guys have gotten better, but man, CCM has a long way to go.

I find nothing wrong with secular artists a song here or there, but I'm not too big on supporting them with full cd purchases and concerts where they drink beer an curse GOD on stage.



topshot -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 8:00:36 AM)

It's pretty simple really. If a band (or anything else) brings you closer to the one true God, it's OK. Otherwise, it's not. What may further your walk may not further mine.



Sun_Tzu -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 8:49:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RatherDashing
I despise secular music anyways.


Why?



BlindLemon5103 -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 9:05:37 AM)

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By all means, we should seek out music that is "not bad" or stays "clean". We should seek to listen to music that is "inoffensive" and does not threaten are moral well-being.

Ewww...you just got spit out of God's mouth.



I do not agree that enjoying "clean, non-offensive" secular music at some level automatically makes you a lukewarm Christian. You would have to prove that listening to and enjoying a secular work is always sin or compromise. I don't think that is the case.

Is it any different when we watch "clean, non-offensive" secular TV? I think the problem lies when we become like the world, entertaining ourselves to death. How much time and energy we devote to it might be the key as to whether or not it's a hindrance to our walk with God. That's been my experience, anyway. I've been guilty of doing just that, and it's not always easy to maintain balance.

After reading John Piper's book, "Don't Waste Your Life", I am less prone to beat up on myself because of what I listen to (I do use discernment), and more concerned about how much time I spend entertaining myself.

I believe there are some forms of music that are strictly for our entertainment and / or listening pleasure. There is a place for hymns as well as pop. No one would advocate listening to songs with questionable lyrics, but we should ask for wisdom and discernment when making our listening choices.

At the risk of repeating myself, I have posted extensively on this subject in the "Non-Christian Music?" thread and in other places....all those interested, check them out sometime!

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, folks. Put the Lord first, and ask Him for discernment. He gives us all things to enjoy, so long as we are not turning His good gifts into idols. Also realize that we are all at different stages of our Christian walk, and what may be a struggle for some of us may not be for others. We do tend to universalize our experiences.

I leave you with Spurgeon:

"I have nothing to say against recreation in its proper place. Certain forms of
recreation are needful and useful; but it is a wretched thing when amusement
becomes a vocation. Amusement should be used to do us good “like a medicine”: it
must never be used as the food of the man."

I believe this applies to all forms of music as well.


Grace, peace and blessings to all.



freakofnature -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 9:48:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MusicianDad

I like hot guitars and classic rock, so there's not a lot out there in Christian music that fills that bill. I wish there was a Christian version of Deep Purple.



You might like a group by the name of Theives and liars. Check them out, they are somewhat new. And something a little bit more on the heavier side but you may try The Showdown.

Links to each are: http://www.myspace.com/theshowdown

http://www.thievesandliars.com/



freakofnature -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 10:11:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackCapnHarlock

I can honestly say, I've been listening to Contempary (sp?) Christian Music since the late 1980s and I can tell you that through my 14 years of being a faithful Christian, that CONTEMP CHRISTIAN MUSIC STINKS!!

I am a big Christian hip hop fan, and man the guys are just no where near the secular guys . . not in production not in talent. Only a handful of Christian artists get positive responses when I pay them around non Christians. Mars Ill . . . I think that's it.

Music is supposed to be Music, the problem I have with too many Christian rappers is that they PREACH through out their music, that's not MUSIC, that's PREACHING. Also I can understand in having praise and worship songs, but if your music is all about praise and worship then call it that praise and worship hip hop not real hip hop.

I just want better rhyming and better production . .. . period.

The same for Christian Rock. Too many bands either sell out and dump JESUS all together like Evanesance (sp?) or they just aren't good.

MXPX is still around and they are good, but they need to develop their sound more they are light years behind Green Day.

Relient K is doing well, and so are some other groups, but we don't have a Christian Beatles or Christian Rolling Stones or Christian Dr. Dre folks who change the industry and the way music is made.

We have too many folks who water down and steal secular trends and fall way short.

Music overall isn't good right now, but man I would love to see a Christian group the caliber of Nickelback, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jay Z, Eminem, Swisha House, etc. . . .

GRITS is probably the only Christian group who's beats are near secular ones, everyone else is still way behind.

Some Christian emcees can rep as Magellan says, "It's 2007 whey Christian rappers sounding like Chuck D.?"

As the guys from the Shaolin Mixtape put it, "We have to be realistic it's not 1995 it's 2005 (at the time) it's not 1985, who are we trying to reach? The guy listening to G unit, the G listening to 50 Cent and this is what you are putting out?"

Some guys have gotten better, but man, CCM has a long way to go.

I find nothing wrong with secular artists a song here or there, but I'm not too big on supporting them with full cd purchases and concerts where they drink beer an curse GOD on stage.



First of all! I think the only thing that is going to force Christian entertainment to a higher level is support... There is no $$$ henceforth no motivation.

2) What is it that the "real hip hop" song writers do that is so much different? I am an old white guy, so go ahead and throw it out there that I "don't understand." What it is that I do understand in secular hip-hop is that these songwriters have had a tough living, their friends and family have all had a hard life.... What does that have to do with glorifying gun use and prostitution and "Pimpin' life style?" So we as Christians are willing to suppoort financially these lifestyles ( and yes I know you said you don't go to the concerts or buy the albums but sooooo many Christians do!)

3) For the most part I have decided to put away secular music, as compared to secular television, I have pretty well put that out also but that is another subject for another time. But since putting out the secular music, Christian entertainment music has provided exactly what I and several others have needed. It may be years behind secular music artist but I wouldn't know it because while purchasing only Christian music entertainment, it all sounds new to me!!!!

4) No Christian Beatles, Rolling Stones or Dr. Dre... Well, there aren't any secular Beatles, Rolling Stones or Dr. Dre's now either. I mean in reality those types of bands only come but a few in a lifetime and there hasn't been any real change since the early 90's when music went from Hair metal to uh hum... Grunge! Again however, it is all new to me because I don't generally listen to the secular side to have anything to compare it to.

5) You call it stealing secular trends... most call it "influence" at least in the secular world, how is it that if a Christian artist is influenced by a certain sound, it's now stealing???


So Finally I will say again that it all comes down to support, the record industry won't support it becuase Christians are okay to selling out and buying secular music... FOLOW THE MONEY MAN!!! Follow the money.



bawall5 -> RE: Secular Bands OK? (4/9/2008 10:49:33 AM)

I had someone years ago discribe it to me like this, I hope it helps......
The word music comes from the word muse, which means spirit. All music and songs have a spirit to them. What you listen to can influence your actions and thoughts.
Ever since I heard that, it was revelation to me. I do still listen to some secular music but first and foremost, I listen to the lyrics. The Bible tells us in Matthew 15:18-20 that you are defiled by what comes from your heart. Those things can come into you (same as influence) by what you listen to. I can speak from experience about this!
Also, 1Samuel 16:23 says "And whenever the tormenting spirit from God troubled Saul, David would play the harp. Then Saul would feel better, and the tormenting spirit would go away." HOW POWERFUL IS MUSIC? This should give you an idea. That is why worship music can bring the prescence of God.
I could go on and on but I really hope this helps!! I know my hubby still struggles with it also. Be blessed![:)]



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