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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 11:46:16 AM
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BlackCapnHarlock
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Freakofnature,
Thanks for your thoughts, but you ignored one issue, THE MUSIC STINKS!!! It doesn't sound good and it isn't on par with secular artists.
Christian Artists can do better. I agree most folks don't have the trend creating styles of Dr. Dre, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones and a few others. Those are legends REGARDLESS of what you sing about. So good poin there.
But folks can do better. Sixpence none the Richer hit it big with "Kiss Me" folks loved it and still love it. Me I thought "Mother Sister" and "Love" were better songs.
I mean I go to www.dasouth.com their store called Da Bus Shop. Great place to buy Christian hip hop.
Well only a few of the artists are worth listening too!!! I sample some of the stuff and I am like, "Yikes! This Stinks!!"
I agree there are many corny secular songs like "Party Like a Rockstar" and a ton of Stuff out there that's just garbage.
But then you hear Green Day, then you listen to MXPX and say, "Man MXPX is missing something." Then you listen to Red Hot Chili, Nickelback and others and man . . they got sound.
One thing Christian artists lack is emotion, authority in love performances and POWER . . ..
P.O.D.'S "BOOM" is an example of what Christian artists can do when they are motiviated.
Also, DC Talk's JESUS FREAK, their best selling Album to date. Why? great songs . . .
I have a ton of CCM and have been listening since I was a kid . . . I remember Stephen Wiley, The Rapsures, DeGarmo and Key and Petra. I remember when Michael W. Smith was skinny! I grew up watching Gospel Bill and Fire by Night with Blaine Bartel.
So I've been around, WE NEED BETTER MUSIC!!!!!!!!! Christians need to put out better products. You can't deny Outkast's music because it's good.
Same should be said for Christian artists.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 12:25:02 PM
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I think Skillet does a good job. I love their sound.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 1:05:02 PM
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Freakofnature,
Thanks for your thoughts, but you ignored one issue, THE MUSIC STINKS!!! It doesn't sound good and it isn't on par with secular artists.
Christian Artists can do better.
Same should be said for Christian artists.
You and I agree a great deal, some of it does stink, in the same some secular stinks just the same... But I think you make a pretty big generalization with the statment "The music stinks" Christian artist can do better but since there isn't any money in it and since no one wants to support it, who gives??? The record companies sure don't. Where is the $$$... what is their bottom line... I am not saying by any means that we should support Christian music entertainment for the sake of it, but when we get involved in supporting what is good then more of it will be produced... Supply and demand...simple economics. Remember when Passion of the Christ came out and it went huge! Well, now there were a few more movie production companies trying to corner the market in Family friendly movies. Although it has fallen back again a bit but there for a while, you could find a family friendly movie about anywhere. Same can be said for the CCE (Christ Centered entertainment) And just for the record.. I don't think MXPX misses anything and I as well have been around CCE from a young age.. Yes, Petra (I have seen in concert about 6 times) Stryper, DeGarmo and Key.. But I left it for a while because of these same groups, it was stale and blah... In the late 90's early 00"s I started to come back to it because I feel it has improved a great deal. Does it have a long way to go... yes, by all means, but I will look for the stuff that I feel speaks to me and support that with my $$$.. Free market and all...
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 1:21:36 PM
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Ya know and as I think about it let me add this: I loved what bawall5 and
ManimalX brought to this particular conversation. I have other posts in similar areas on this forum and it kinda boils down to this for me and I'm sure others: Am I willing to sacrifice my mind and my heart and open it up to the generally negative world view that the secular artist provide? I mean really... we aren't talking about the sugar and spice teenaged love pop stuff, we are discussing music that means something, and alot of the secular side views the world alot different than I and it just doesn't mean anything to me... I try not to allow that negatvie view seep it's way into my mind/heart. I know enough about the worlds view of... well itself, that I would rather keep my mind's eye viewing thing with the heart of God. ( Get the D.C. Talk reference "Mind's eye")
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 7:03:30 PM
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It's pretty simple really. If a band (or anything else) brings you closer to the one true God, it's OK. Otherwise, it's not. What may further your walk may not further mine.
I went to the home opener for the White Sox the other day, baseball fan that I am. Had a nice time. I didn't feel that it drew me closer to the one true God, just that I had a nice day with some Christian friends, and enjoyed the sights and sounds, as well as the abilities of the players on the field. A completely secular event.
Is going to the ballgame then sinful? Personally, I don't think so. God gives us all things to enjoy. Exactly what are those things? Do they not include leisure activities, interests and/or hobbies? I believe they do.
I also believe there is some music that can be enjoyed simply on aesthetic grounds...the skilfulness of the players, the clever melodies, the craftsmanship...or even the pleasure, refreshment and enjoyment it might bring on musical grounds alone. Who gave us this ability to derive pleasure from a musical piece? Not the devil.
Actually, I agree totally with the last part of the quote...."what may further your walk may not further mine"...how true! We are at all different stages of our walk with Christ, we all have our own likes and dislikes, as well as our own "baggage" we bring into the Christian life, etc.
If listening to secular music, going to ball games or watching TV is hindering your walk with God, by all means set it aside. If not, use discernment and don't feel guilty about enjoying something you are free to enjoy.
In another post, it was mentioned that certain heavy metal bands (Sabbath, Maiden, etc. were only for "flesh tickling"...well, the same could be said about polka music as well (doesn't necessarily glorify God either)...but my thought on the matter is this: All music, even Christian music has SOME appeal to the flesh, or else nobody would listen to it.
And some of us are called to get rid of our secular music because it can have such a hold on us. I did so myself 20 years ago....and it was the right thing to do at the time. Nowadays,I do listen to those old bands (not exclusively), but through the lens of a Christian worldview. I see them far differently than I did back then, paying close attention to lyrical content and separating "wheat" from "chaff". Not everything those bands did was good, but neither was it all bad either.
I am no longer the same person I was back then. But the old music does bring back fine memories of a time when things were simpler. By the way, I didn't "live the rock and roll lifestyle", I only listened to the music.
I'm repeating myself again, so I'll stop here. I don't have all the answers, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. It is what is is.
Have a great evening everyone, grace, peace and blessings to all!
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 8:26:09 PM
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I like hot guitars and classic rock, so there's not a lot out there in Christian music that fills that bill. I wish there was a Christian version of Deep Purple.
You might like a group by the name of Theives and liars. Check them out, they are somewhat new. And something a little bit more on the heavier side but you may try The Showdown.
Links to each are: http://www.myspace.com/theshowdown
http://www.thievesandliars.com/
Hey, thanks for the tip. I don't have access to video right now, but I'll check them out as soon as possible.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 8:47:37 PM
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what im saying is that every good Christian band is trying to sound like a Christian version of -insert generic mainstream band thats popular here-. I'm sick of mainstream, and Im sick of all my favorite Christian bands changing their sound, first relient k turned from original random pop-punk to mainstream emo/pop/rock. Then sanctus real turned from punk/rock to generic ccm. Then hawk nelson stopped writing all their songs, pod turned boring and lost their edge. The only band that stayed the same is MxPx and they are better than green day cause mxpx is actually punk. I just want good Christian music but thats hard to find, the best Christian bands I found lately are PlayRadioPlay, Neon Horse, and Between the Trees. Now for secular I found the early november, hellogoodbye, afi, a day at the fair, etc. caus ethey dont sound like all the cra p out there now. I mean if listening to secular music is bad, then everyone shouldnt watch tv, the new, or read anything than the Bible, and why dont we all go around in robes and huge beards and wooden staffs. Seriously, if the lyrics arent evil its ok. I bet you all didnt know that Killswitch Engage's member sare Christian, and theyre lyrics are positive, while some Christian bands like demon hunter are calling death "the great escape". now thats good news for sucidal kids. NOT.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 10:21:51 PM
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you have to remember that when it comes to secular music you have to be careful.
examine your relationship with Christ. remember that God created music to glorify Him & only Him.
since i've been a christian (since 1979),i havent listened to secular music,just on the fact that it dosent appeal to me now since God grabbed my heart.
like christian singer:Jeff Fenholt says..."just because a certain song or songs/bands etc...sound good & not offensive,that dosent mean that its good. you have to ask the question,,,is the person who wrote the song a christian and or is this singer or band a christian etc...if they're not,then the song or music is not coming from God"""
do you see the point.......
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/9/2008 11:00:03 PM
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you have to ask the question,,,is the person who wrote the song a christian and or is this singer or band a christian etc...if they're not,then the song or music is not coming from God"""
do you see the point.......
Yes, you do have to be careful with secular music, but I disagree with this last quote.
The making of beautiful music is not the sole prerogative of the redeemed. Mozart and Beethoven wrote beautiful music...I don't think they were Christians....does that mean the music is not from God?
There are beautiful love songs written by non-believers (I don't mean lust songs, of course), songs that describe the joys and frustrations of life in our fallen world that we can all relate to if we're honest (i.e. the blues), songs that demonstrate great creativity both lyrically and musically, and if a song reflects truth and lines up Scripture-wise, it is not rendered invalid as a work of art if it was produced by a non-believer.
If it's a quality piece of music, it does not detract from my appreciation of it, no matter who wrote it.
God gives talents and gifts to both the just and the unjust. It's called common grace.
Blessings, and a good night to all.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 12:27:14 AM
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*cough* I guess Christians should stop taking secular songs, changing the lyrics, and singing them as praise and worship. I remember there was an event I was at, they took The Beatles' Come Together and turned it into a p&w song. I thought that was terrible.
Art is art. I think there's a lot we can learn from secular art, whether it's music...movies...or books. It's a good way to learn where these people are coming from, and has helped me many time in relating to non-Christians. Books in particular, as they really describe so well what it's like to be on the other side of the fence. I've also found you can learn a lot about a person by what music they're into. I understand the "garbage in, garbage out" mentality, but I also understand that some of us have a strong enough mind for it not to have an effect in a negative way. A lot of times with music, it isn't about being as sinful as you can possibly be...but just putting it out there so people can feel less alone and know that someone out there feels the same way. Christian lyrics can be very general at times when it comes to pain...where a lot of secular music can get specific, and really get to you. It's my personal opinion though not to write off Christian or secular music. I do believe that God created music to glorify him, but I also believe that it was given so we can relate to each other as well.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 2:50:25 AM
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There are many opinions on this issue and you must ask this question: Are seculiar movies ok? Is seculiar tv ok? Many Christians scream that seculiar music is of the devil to watch tv and movies that are far worse than most seculiar music. You must be careful of what you put into you. Not all seculiar movies and tv are evil, but you must be careful of what you watch. In the same way not all seculiar music is bad, but you must be careful of what you listen too. Upon getting married we realized that you can't put on Hillsong music for romance it's weird, so you put on some jazz, etc. At that time I only listened to Christian music by choice, and still mostly do. This is a heart issue, if you are convicted of seculiar music, then don't listen to it, but don't force your beliefs on another. Live your convictions and examine everything that goes into you, not just seculiar music. Don't be a hypocrite, I hate that. Like someone who believes in no seculiar music and you watch R rated movies. It's like the people who are enviromentalists screaming to save the owls & the trees, but love to drive their cars burning the oil and live in their homes made of wood. Go live in the jungle without a car and without cutting down any trees then tell us to preserve everything. Whatever you believe, LIVE IT!!!!
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 3:26:18 AM
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*cough* I guess Christians should stop taking secular songs, changing the lyrics, and singing them as praise and worship. I remember there was an event I was at, they took The Beatles' Come Together and turned it into a p&w song. I thought that was terrible.
Psh. We can just sing songs like Lifehouse's "Everything" for worship. Who needs to change lyrics?
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 5:32:44 AM
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With all of the lies the man has said and wild claims he has about his conversion I would not trust a word that came out of his mouth.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 8:29:00 AM
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What is it that the "real hip hop" song writers do that is so much different? I am an old white guy, so go ahead and throw it out there that I "don't understand." What it is that I do understand in secular hip-hop is that these songwriters have had a tough living, their friends and family have all had a hard life.... What does that have to do with glorifying gun use and prostitution and "Pimpin' life style?" So we as Christians are willing to suppoort financially these lifestyles ( and yes I know you said you don't go to the concerts or buy the albums but sooooo many Christians do!)
Your stereotyping hip-hop music for one. If you were to listen to a lot of the underground hip-hop you would find a very different level of music. There are many artists out there that outright reject and oppose the current mainstream garbage that is out there. Hip-hop is about telling a good story for a lot of artists, and the Capn is right, a lot of Christian artists don't rise to the bar that has been set by so many secular artists. Typically the lyrical content and complexity isn't the same as some secular artists. Not to mention that a lot of artists only focus on one topic and to be frank it gets drab.
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But since putting out the secular music, Christian entertainment music has provided exactly what I and several others have needed.
We all have to sacrifice something in life don't we. 
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You call it stealing secular trends... most call it "influence" at least in the secular world, how is it that if a Christian artist is influenced by a certain sound, it's now stealing???
I agree with this to a point. Although I think what was meant by "stealing" is that typically when there is a secular artist that makes it big there seems to be an attempt by the "Christian market" to have a counter for it. So basically a carbon copy group comes out that regurgitates bible verses for 12 songs.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 8:33:36 AM
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P.O.D.'S "BOOM" is an example of what Christian artists can do when they are motiviated.
I think P.O.D's whole success story should be pointed out, not just their one song. P.O.D pioneered an entire genre and reaped the rewards of their work. Not only that but they spearheaded the way for "Christian" artists to be played on the main airwaves. P.O.D is a very under-rated band in the Christian community IMO and need to be shown a lot more respect for their accomplishments. They are true examples of what any artist should be. They are righteous men doing exactly what they were commanded to do.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 8:57:28 AM
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What is it that the "real hip hop" song writers do that is so much different? I am an old white guy, so go ahead and throw it out there that I "don't understand." What it is that I do understand in secular hip-hop is that these songwriters have had a tough living, their friends and family have all had a hard life.... What does that have to do with glorifying gun use and prostitution and "Pimpin' life style?" So we as Christians are willing to suppoort financially these lifestyles ( and yes I know you said you don't go to the concerts or buy the albums but sooooo many Christians do!)
Your stereotyping hip-hop music for one. If you were to listen to a lot of the underground hip-hop you would find a very different level of music. There are many artists out there that outright reject and oppose the current mainstream garbage that is out there. Hip-hop is about telling a good story for a lot of artists, and the Capn is right, a lot of Christian artists don't rise to the bar that has been set by so many secular artists. Typically the lyrical content and complexity isn't the same as some secular artists. Not to mention that a lot of artists only focus on one topic and to be frank it gets drab.
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But since putting out the secular music, Christian entertainment music has provided exactly what I and several others have needed.
We all have to sacrifice something in life don't we.
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You call it stealing secular trends... most call it "influence" at least in the secular world, how is it that if a Christian artist is influenced by a certain sound, it's now stealing???
I agree with this to a point. Although I think what was meant by "stealing" is that typically when there is a secular artist that makes it big there seems to be an attempt by the "Christian market" to have a counter for it. So basically a carbon copy group comes out that regurgitates bible verses for 12 songs.
Yes! I am... but there is a reason for stereotyping it... because that is what sells and that is what the record companies shove down the throats of the youth! The undergroud is just that because the record companies choose not to sign those individuals.. but simply speaking... enlighten me on the underground hip-hop scene and tell me what it is they have to offer. Besides about how bad life is and negative views..story telling yes, I get that, please, I know more about it than you would think or care to understand. But what I am concerned with is the negative world view, While I am quite sure that there are several authors/songwriters with good intentions and a positive world view and lyrical content that is "NOT OF THE DEVIL" as a previous poster suggested, the majority of which still reflects negative political, worldly views. Otherwise, it is probably difficult to raise the bar in Christian entertainment, becuase where is it going to go... Any suggestions? I mean, it is about a persons walk with God. Lyrically, the songwriters speak to their personal experiances and how God has effected their walk, I try to give them more credit than just being a guitar god or songwriting genius...
For Blindmelon, sorry,Blindlemon... Baseball, although mostly boring, does not influence the mind or heart of an individual and impact them in a negative way unless your team looses of course but really I think we need to be a little more grown up about the subject.
crm4souls... True that sista! And at the same time, I certainly attempt to not involve myself with "secular t.v." or "secular movies" while I enjoy a good movie now and again, generally speaking, I watch alot of the History Channel, Travel Channel, (love anthony bourdain) TLC, DIY and things of that nature.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 9:20:29 AM
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I agree with this to a point. Although I think what was meant by "stealing" is that typically when there is a secular artist that makes it big there seems to be an attempt by the "Christian market" to have a counter for it. So basically a carbon copy group comes out that regurgitates bible verses for 12 songs.
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Sorry, I want to suggest here also that, it happens just as much in the secular circles as Christian circles, please explain "Grunge" and "Alternative." Otherwise known as musical trends... I could go on, Techno, 80's Hair Metal, uh, Beyonce/Rhianna, I can't tell the two appart musically. And to that end, let me add I don't know what Christian artist are as you say ripping off secular artist because I don't pay enough attention to secular artist to know... it's all new to me, if you will...
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 9:40:01 AM
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.. but simply speaking... enlighten me on the underground hip-hop scene and tell me what it is they have to offer. Besides about how bad life is and negative views..story telling yes, I get that, please, I know more about it than you would think or care to understand.
Evidently you don't know or understand because if you truly did you would not have made the above statements. If you choose to wallow in your ignorance of the subject then that is your issue. If you so choose to explore more then go and find some underground hip-hop and see for yourself.
I will even point you in the right direction. You can start with Josh Martinez or Deltron 3030. Both are amazing story tellers and are always singing something different. Josh Martinez sings about personal experiences, everything from road trips with friends to how society ignores the homeless and tells their stories. Deltron 3030 has a concept album which is incredibly well thought out and entertaining to listen to if you are into science fiction.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 9:53:34 AM
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I think we need to be a little more grown up about the subject.
I agree wholeheartedly! And I know that you do not think all secular music is bad. Everyone has had different experiences with music, and I don't think everyone is affected in the exact same way by music. We all justify what we like, and we think everyone should think just as we do when it comes to music.
We should be careful with what we put into our minds, and yes, comparing secular music to baseball is not really a good illustration, but my problem with music (me personally) is that I invest way too much time in it to the point of distraction. It becomes an idol, and that's when I feel I it is a harmful thing. Maintaining balance is a continuous challenge to me. I have a 1,200 disc collection comprised of classical, jazz, bluegrass, rock, blues, CCM, country, etc......and I ask God to give me freedom to enjoy what I can legitimately enjoy in his eyes (without false guilt) and also ask Him to show me what I should not be listening to. I also ask that I have a love for Him that would far exceed my love for music or any other created thing.
I'm an old guy (43), and to me, secular music mainly means the bands I listened to in the '70s and '80s. Much of it was indeed bad, but some it of was quite good, and I don't have a problem listening to some of it.
The mature response to all this is: Use discernment, if it hinders your walk with Christ, don't listen to it, don't expect everyone to feel exactly the same way about it, don't flaunt your liberty so as to cause others to stumble, etc. That's it. We will never all be in agreement on this issue, so that's the best I can offer.
And by the way, BASEBALL IS NOT BORING! It's the greatest game known to man! 
Blessings and peace to you, and thanks for your input.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 9:57:42 AM
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.. but simply speaking... enlighten me on the underground hip-hop scene and tell me what it is they have to offer. Besides about how bad life is and negative views..story telling yes, I get that, please, I know more about it than you would think or care to understand.
Evidently you don't know or understand because if you truly did you would not have made the above statements. If you choose to wallow in your ignorance of the subject then that is your issue. If you so choose to explore more then go and find some underground hip-hop and see for yourself.
I will even point you in the right direction. You can start with Josh Martinez or Deltron 3030. Both are amazing story tellers and are always singing something different. Josh Martinez sings about personal experiences, everything from road trips with friends to how society ignores the homeless and tells their stories. Deltron 3030 has a concept album which is incredibly well thought out and entertaining to listen to if you are into science fiction.
Point me in the right direction is exatly what I asked you to do thank you for the suggestion, however, the ignorance comment, will be taken in love and understanding and all is forgiven. Now, an album about society ignoring the homeless while sounding on top like a great idea, I think overall, the homeless are not ignored or forgotten and this seems like a negative world view. I will look for Deltron 3030, perhaps give you my thoughts. I will look for it... And please note that I am not now nor have I yet taken the stance that all secular music is bad, please note that I am attempting to defend Christian entertainment. Just the same that you may take offense to someone suggesting that "ALL SECULAR MUSIC IS BAD" I take some offense to people knocking on Christ Centered Entertainment.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 10:01:54 AM
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I think we need to be a little more grown up about the subject.
I agree wholeheartedly! And I know that you do not think all secular music is bad. Everyone has had different experiences with music, and I don't think everyone is affected in the exact same way by music. We all justify what we like, and we think everyone should think just as we do when it comes to music.
We should be careful with what we put into our minds, and yes, comparing secular music to baseball is not really a good illustration, but my problem with music (me personally) is that I invest way too much time in it to the point of distraction. It becomes an idol, and that's when I feel I it is a harmful thing. Maintaining balance is a continuous challenge to me. I have a 1,200 disc collection comprised of classical, jazz, bluegrass, rock, blues, CCM, country, etc......and I ask God to give me freedom to enjoy what I can legitimately enjoy in his eyes (without false guilt) and also ask Him to show me what I should not be listening to. I also ask that I have a love for Him that would far exceed my love for music or any other created thing.
I'm an old guy (43), and to me, secular music mainly means the bands I listened to in the '70s and '80s. Much of it was indeed bad, but some it of was quite good, and I don't have a problem listening to some of it.
The mature response to all this is: Use discernment, if it hinders your walk with Christ, don't listen to it, don't expect everyone to feel exactly the same way about it, don't flaunt your liberty so as to cause others to stumble, etc. That's it. We will never all be in agreement on this issue, so that's the best I can offer.
And by the way, BASEBALL IS NOT BORING! It's the greatest game known to man!
Blessings and peace to you, and thanks for your input.
Hey my friend well said! Thank you and for the record, football rules! I tried to watch the Mets game last night, but with the Celtics getting a whippin' by the Wizzards, I just couldn't focus on the Mets game, besides 7 to 2 in baseball is the equivolent to a 49 to 14 game in football.. I probably couldn't watch that either.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 10:02:18 AM
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relady
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Now, an album about society ignoring the homeless while sounding on top like a great idea, I think overall, the homeless are not ignored or forgotten and this seems like a negative world view. I think they are very much swept under the carpet and ignored in America. We act like there are none in America, in fact. An album with songs giving them attention is not a negative world view, it's a realistic one, and it's music with a social conscience. I am over 50 and I have heard so much music with a social conscience since the 60s, I love a lot of the new stuff that my son and his friends listen to. Unfortunately, for most songwriters, pain generates the creative juices far more than pleasure.
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 10:15:01 AM
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BlindLemon5103
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7 to 2 in baseball is the equivolent to a 49 to 14 game in football.. I probably couldn't watch that either.
I think you are right. It's hard to watch a lopsided ball game on TV, but when I'm at the park, I can deal with it better! I just enjoy being at the game. (though I don't envy those poor souls sitting there last night watching the Sox get whupped by the Twins! It was low 40's and damp!)
Being at a bad ball game is still better than a good day at work!
I'm off the subject here, so I'll quit. Have a good one!
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 10:15:05 AM
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Quick google search for Deltron 3030 with this suprising world view:
But, allowed room to imagine a whole world, many of Deltron 3030's most impressive tracks show our hero exploring a wide-ranging variety of surprisingly weighty topics. The future is imagined from the bottom up: Del lives in a secret lair in the Bay Area, unbothered by exorbitant rents while the world around him falls to pieces. The Earth is run by a select, superwealthy oligarchy who have consigned the underclasses to rot away. (Yes, this is the future.) The environment's in ruins, there's fighting in the streets, and Paul Barman gets a speaking role. In short, things are in bad shape.
Such dire straits reveal Del as a surprisingly acute social critic. He even lacks a New York protest MC's frustrating tendency towards self-righteousness, instead favoring targets that actually deserve his wrath: he wants to destroy corporate control and "convert them to papyrus," mostly, and his oppressed underclass is racially diverse. Like the man says, "It's not about separation/ It's about the population." He resents the appropriation of hip-hop, but not necessarily by palefaces. He just doesn't like biters because they're messing with the genre's chances of being taken seriously.
Yeah, those eeeevil corporations that tend to allow so many of us to have a job and and an income. Let's shut those down before it gets to the year 3030. I am not sure how we will all survive but lest we should worry, God is in control!
**This btw, found @ Pitchforkmmedia.com and penned by Sam Eccleston
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RE: Secular Bands OK? - 4/10/2008 10:28:58 AM
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freakofnature
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Now, an album about society ignoring the homeless while sounding on top like a great idea, I think overall, the homeless are not ignored or forgotten and this seems like a negative world view. I think they are very much swept under the carpet and ignored in America. We act like there are none in America, in fact. An album with songs giving them attention is not a negative world view, it's a realistic one, and it's music with a social conscience. I am over 50 and I have heard so much music with a social conscience since the 60s, I love a lot of the new stuff that my son and his friends listen to. Unfortunately, for most songwriters, pain generates the creative juices far more than pleasure.
Who's "we?" And agreeable pain generates creativity. But for some Christian artist, first comes pain, next God moves, third glory to God, I am a better person... The persepctives of a Christian music author..(for some obviously not all)
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