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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 1:45:45 PM
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doinkdom
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What about the prodigal son?
He was in continuous sin - for a time - and then repented.
So...does continuous sin have a shelf life? And if so...who decides how long that is? Paul talked with frustration about knowing what to do and not doing it in full awareness of his own sin.
How do we reconcile all this?
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 1:51:15 PM
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I guess, I feel it more necessary to discuss how to love!! Love in spite of ALL OF OUR IMPERFECTIONS!!! Instead of discussing, the 'degree' of sin that we should judge...
Because there are people here who feel that loving others means that you condone sin. Been there, argued that. They think that loving others means to judge them. Trust me, you'll bang your head against the wall with certain people here.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 2:25:27 PM
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MrsOliver
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hawkfan...
thanks for the warning....:o)
LOVE, I SAY, LOVE!!!! THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO...NOT judge...LOVE!!!! but that is too difficult for a lot of folks.
Our job is pretty simple....LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!!!
The blood shed on the cross was for EVERY SIN , past present and future!!!!! ONLY GOD can judge where we are in our sin, in our continuing, and what resides in our HEARTS!!!
seems like a few folks on here, must have been elevated to that judgement seat early!!! .....or am I misreading the judgment here?
either way...I CHOOSE TO LOVE...love the unbeliever, love the sinners...that means EVERY KIND OF SINNER!!! even those that judge!
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 2:49:09 PM
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We are called to both love and judge. If we don't judge, there can be no church discipline.
John 7
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Proverbs 21
15It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.
Titus 3
10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Matthew 18
15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Psalm 139
23Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Psalm 5
5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Proverbs 12
15The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:03:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: MrsOliver
The blood shed on the cross was for EVERY SIN , past present and future!!!!!
The blood does cover the sins of believers, but believers aren't called to sin.
Ephesians 5
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Titus 3
4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
1 Thessalonians 4
1Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
1 John 5
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:05:08 PM
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Are you suggesting that "living in sin, or rather not married", loving Jesus if you are homosexual, etc...I guess these "major sins" in your eyes are some how less desirable in the eyes of God, than lets say, over eating, swearing, JUDGING, unkindness, etc.
Mrs. Oliver--I would have to say, that falling into a sin, such as defaulting to a sinful habit, such as swearing,
or even lying when in a 'tight spot' is not a lesser sin that Jesus died for than remaining in a sinful lifestyle but
it is a decidedly different evidence reflective of the heart condition.
If we say we love the Lord, and continue to live in immorality as a 'lifestyle' then where is the truth
in that? Did He not die to deliver us from enslaving sin? Did He not clearly say to abandon those things?
Does He tell us to be holy as He is holy? Can we be holy and live in a lifestyle of drugs, sexual immorality
and not be constrained to leave it?
I maintain, that if one is 'comfortably' living a sinful lifestyle, having no remorse, having no desire
to be done with it, then I'd have to say there is reason for concern.
We are told, that by the same standard we judge others, we will also be judged. So if I say these things
are wrong for another, then they are also wrong for me and if I find myself doing them, I have in essence,
rightly judged myself.
We are told, 'by their fruit you will know them'! So what does it mean to say, that we can look at a tree
and decide by the quality of the fruit or the appropriateness of it to the 'tree', that we can make a
determination of what kind of tree it is? How do you apply that in another way?
My comments are not to the fact that we do sin, but rather to the question about whether we are to stay
in a continuous state of willful sinfulness, having no obvious repentance that affects our lifestyles and
still consider that we are 'new creations' in Christ Jesus! What is new about us? God alone knows for sure,
but I do say, that to the human eye....talk is cheap--walk the talk or be at risk of others questioning the
validity of the words of your mouth, and at the very least (which is horrendous) casts doubt on the ability
of Jesus to deliver us from living in a willfully sinful enslaving lifestyle!
I maintain, that as we mature in our walks we will find sin even more abhorrent and will make every effort
to avoid it. But, even while immature, there are certain sins we know, in our hearts that are not consistent
with the person called to walk in 'newness of life'! They are listed in the Word so they are hard to ignore!
Rev. 21:6 "Then He said to me, "It is done I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the
end I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
7"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
8"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and
sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death."
9Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and
spoke with me, saying, "Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."
The Bride of Christ should not be identified with those sins as a 'way of life'. To have someone say,
"Oh, that George, he says he is a Christian but he always lies, cheats, steals and lives with a woman
that is not his wife" has reason to be questioned as to his claim of being a 'new creation' by virtue of
salvation through Jesus Christ!
Too many think it a casual thing to name the name of Christ and live like they always did before making such
a claim. We are to be different--distinctively different! If we are not, from the heart, appalled at being sinful,
making every attempt to live above sin, then I do question the validity of a tree calling it one thing but giving
no fruit consistent to it's calling. And, I will also be rightfully judged by the same 'fruit inspeciton' of my own
fruit bearing--and so are all of us! It is illogical to think we are not being 'inspected' by one another--whether
consciously or not, we make determinations, by what we see and what we hear and the consistencies or lack
thereof, of both!
God looks at the inside but He says we do look at the outside, and the evidence should reflect the heart and
quality of the tree or risk their commitment to Christ being questioned as to it's validity! It's human nature
to question such inconsistency and we have a responsibility to Christ to glorify Him in our lifestyles!
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"O taste and see that the LORD is good;
How blessed is the one who takes refuge in Him!"
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:09:34 PM
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Who gave you the right to judge anyone. You are the most judgemental person I have ever seen. Now I know why I left crosswalk in the first place.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:17:49 PM
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ORIGINAL jfaye
God looks at the inside but He says we do look at the outside, and the evidence should reflect the heart and
quality of the tree or risk their commitment to Christ being questioned as to it's validity! It's human nature
to question such inconsistency and we have a responsibility to Christ to glorify Him in our lifestyles!
It's good that there are Christians who are willing to speak the truth in love.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:21:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: jfaye
If we say we love the Lord, and continue to live in immorality as a 'lifestyle' then where is the truth
in that? Did He not die to deliver us from enslaving sin? Did He not clearly say to abandon those things?
Does He tell us to be holy as He is holy? Can we be holy and live in a lifestyle of drugs, sexual immorality
and not be constrained to leave it?
I maintain, that if one is 'comfortably' living a sinful lifestyle, having no remorse, having no desire
to be done with it, then I'd have to say there is reason for concern.
Amen and Amen
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:26:06 PM
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I guess in glancing over a few replies in this thread, I'm reminded of one of my new favorite passages of the New Testament:
John 8:1-7
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
Do we get the simplicity of this story? Do we see what it's saying to us all? Do we see how it embodies the longsuffering that God has displayed to us as imperfect humans and that He calls us to do likewise?
Do we see where punishment was DESERVED and owing, but Jesus commuted that sentence? Do we see where sin was to cease (go and sin no more) but mercy and grace stepped in as well?
We often focus on the sins that were to come after (go and sin no more) to point to "righteousness", but we often forget the sins that came previously in the woman's life. I'm certain that the sin of adultery was not her first-and it may even have not been her most egregious. When she came before Jesus, she probably deserved what what coming and much more-but Jesus in his loving kindness and long suffering did not DEMAND of her what was owed (justice) but instead offered grace and mercy.
Did she sin again-I'm pretty sure since we are told in the Word of God that we all do-did that invalidate the love Jesus had for her-I doubt he saved her life to squash her like a bug later on.
The one thing that I am all the more struck by with this thread and others is this-I have a hard enough time in my own life coming to a place where I am truly loving God and truly loving others as He has commanded me-I really don't have time to look over and figure out if anyone else is doing so as well (I'd rather work to try to pull the beam out of my own eye than try to help others with their specks)-I guess I've got to figure that to be God's job since they are His children.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:32:35 PM
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doinkdom
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ORIGINAL: blue1914
The one thing that I am all the more struck by with this thread and others is this-I have a hard enough time in my own life coming to a place where I am truly loving God and truly loving others as He has commanded me-I really don't have time to look over and figure out if anyone else is doing so as well (I'd rather work to try to pull the beam out of my own eye than try to help others with their specks)-I guess I've got to figure that to be God's job since they are His children.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:38:39 PM
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Jfaye~
As I agree with you on many points! I am responding to the statement "A christian WILL NOT continuously Sin!
PLAIN AND SIMPLE....YES WE WILL! We all do....everyday...probably on most hours too!!! Self-rightous is not a fun place to be...I can testify to that..and that is why I am indignant on loving over judging!!!!
BUT TO GOD BE THE GLORY that he is MY REDEAMER!!!!! That's my point.
I am familiar with the life of Christ!!! we are to replicate that, are we not?
he was more busy LOVING PEOPLE than judging them!! IN FACT: HIS LOVE is what drew people to him!!!!!
My point is: ...
#1 this whole thread is about..defining a Christian, and defining their sin!!!
Alot of energy being expressed here, TALKING ABOUT Where someone else stands with Christ, only HE KNOWS THE HEART (completely, and totally) and about the measure of SIN!!!!
It has been said there are a lot of 'hurting' people on this site....trying to find some answers, truth, direction; I pray that those answers come from the loving hearts of Christians.
I have seen entirely too much condemnation, judgement and self-rightousness for this season!!!! too much indeed!!!
1 Cor. 13:13 (NIV)
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 John 3:14
Amplified Bible (AMP)
We know that we have passed over out of death into Life by the fact that we love the brethren (our fellow Christians). He who does not love abides (remains, is held and kept continually) in [spiritual] death.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:40:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: jfaye
If we say we love the Lord, and continue to live in immorality as a 'lifestyle' then where is the truth
in that? Did He not die to deliver us from enslaving sin? Did He not clearly say to abandon those things?
Does He tell us to be holy as He is holy? Can we be holy and live in a lifestyle of drugs, sexual immorality
and not be constrained to leave it?
This is what I've been thinking!!
quote:
'inspected' by one another--whether consciously or not, we make determinations, by what we see and what we hear and the consistencies or lack thereof, of both!
I think this is what "Accountability" means. This is how we keep each other sharp.
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Attending church and being confirmed does not define what a Christian is, though it may define a “religious” person.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:42:01 PM
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BLUE1914~
THANK YOU AND SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE!!!
THAT IS A GOOD WORD!
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 3:59:23 PM
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Romans 8:31-39 (New International Version)
31What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."[a] 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 4:21:13 PM
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Christians live in continuous sin when they have a favorite sin that they cling to so tightly that they fail to see as a sin. I point particularly to the sin of pride which leads Christians to think their interpretation of scripture is better than others or to believe they have the authority somehow to judge others. It is my opinion that the continuous sin of pride that leads Christians to value judgment and condemnation over love. The sin of pride leads us to judge people by what little we know about their behavior without ever bothering to reach out to them in love to find out what is in their hearts or what their suffering might be. And the sin of pride lets us believe that we are better than other sinners because we either (a) don't sin at all any more or (b) don't sin as badly.
Not only are we fooling ourselves (and probably only ourselves) when we fail to recognize the sin of pride, we also resist the self-examination that other sinners might undergo that leads to repentance. And we also will resist holding ourselves accountable for our conduct, as we might insist on holding others accountable.
Just a thought.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 4:34:52 PM
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MrsOliver
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Good Word!!!! the_mom and frankman! I appreciate your words!
Mrs.O
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 4:52:28 PM
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quote:
re: The woman caught in adultery: "Did she sin again-I'm pretty sure since we are told
in the Word of God that we all do-did that invalidate the love Jesus had for her-I doubt he saved
her life to squash her like a bug later on."
But, I have to ask you, do you think she continued living the life of an adulterer? Did she ever sin again?
of course she did! But, I doubt very much that she chose to live in the sin that He lovingly told her to 'go
and do no more'!
The question here, as far as I am concerned, is not whether we sin, or whether we can judge someone
as not saved but whether it is to be expected that we are going to be inclined to live in a continuous and
enslaving type of sin, having asked Jesus to forgive us of our sins? It is not that I make it my business to
judge someone not saved because of these inconsistencies, but it natural for us to wonder about the
sincerity of one who out of one side of their mouths says they are 'redeemed by the blood' and walk off
to co-habit with another, continue to lie, cheat and steal from their employer or their employees!
Judge me, as you ARE, as being unloving but that is not my attitude in my posting or of my heart. It is out
of love, that I would want anyone to be freed from the enslavement of a particularly ensnaring and holding
sinfulnesses. If someone is able to continuously live a lifestyle, on the heels of a profession of faith in Jesus,
that speaks of everything we are saved from, is to put oneself, in a position to be questioned. I'm not putting
them in that place, they are!
We must take responsibility for our own actions, and stop blaming others when we fail to do so, calling
it unloving to call it as it is! We sin, and we are forgiven. We continuously live in an unrepentant state,
quite happily and I say, if you can do that, then make sure you ARE in the faith as Paul instructs us to.
Why-- because I would that we all be saved and not condemned and how loving is it to pat someone on
the back and lovingly let them think they are in a saved state when they may be fooling themselves and find
themselves, in love, falsely convinced they are safe from spending eternity in Hell?
Is it prideful to say we are not to continue in sin? Is anyone saying they are 'better' than another by any of this?
No, we are saying there is freedom in Christ--there is a way not to have to live trapped by sin that so easily entangles
us and prevents us from reaching the goal of the high calling of Jesus Christ, and it is evidenced by many who have
found Him faithful to deliver and in that have been enabled to let go of sin that is continuous and self-defeating
and which many have been defined by!
[edited to properly identify the quote I was responding to]
< Message edited by jfaye -- 4/1/2008 8:17:29 PM >
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"We cannot appreciate God's mercy until we realize He is first the God of justice!"
"O taste and see that the LORD is good;
How blessed is the one who takes refuge in Him!"
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:12:34 PM
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First off, claiming that someone who calls them self a Christian but is living in sin is not really a Christian is a cop out. It is an easy answer to a difficult question. Only God can judge a person's salvation.
Second, the statement of this thread "A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin" is false and I can prove this through scripture;
Take for example Peter, he saw no problem eating with Gentiles except when certain Jews were present, then he would withdraw from them and eat only with the Jews. This is hypocrisy, something Jesus strongly denounced in the Pharisees. This continued until he was rebuked by Paul. (Gal 2:11-13)
Another example would be the Corinthian church, just read 1st Corinthians and you will see a number of transgressions they were caught up in that Paul had to address; drunkenness at the Lords supper, arrogance and pride over who had baptized them, airing out the church's dirty laundry in public and going to court with one another rather than using the well established church discipline. And many more.
Most of Paul's letters were written to churches because of continual problems that needed to be addressed.
And as I posted before, even Paul in Romans 7 states that he practices that which he hates. Practice indicates a continual, daily process, not an occasional slip.
Finally, for those of you who think that you do not sin daily really need to check yourselves. I can honestly and humbly state that there is not a day in which I am perfect nor will I be until the day of redemption.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:27:26 PM
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We are saved by the grace of God, which is something that NONE of us truly deserve! For one to think that they are pure or sin-free because we follow Jesus is a very dangerous assumption to make. We are only pure in the eyes of Jesus on Judgment Day when Jesus is our Advocate.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:35:05 PM
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I appreciate your perspective and I pray we can agree that the Holy Spirit is our convictor! I am not here to say you are wrong by any means.
I know the people that are being "spoke" about in this thread. I know them very well, they go to my church, they are my neighbors, they are my family, they were and sometimes are still ME!!!
If some one is asking for HELP in their walk..in their life or in a specific situation then of course that will require the love we are speaking of and your attention to 'guide' them according to the word.
However, to 'observe' ones walk, with that little knowledge we may have as an outsider looking in and then feel like we 'should' say something to them about their walk, because it doesn't look like we think it should look, is judgemental. Just to judge them by their actions and state that they are not saved or are not a Christian is wrong.
We all fall short. That does not say, we all fall short "at our little daily, "white lie" type of sinning"...it simply means. FALL SHORT!! call it what ever you want. I know many, many, many, beautiful christian brothers and sisters who FALL SHORT (including myself), some fall big in society's perspective and some fall small...but still they fall. Who am I to say what resides in their heart. Because if they have EVER prayed the sinners prayer...they are convicted by our heavenly Father, that is not my place. I was never given that position.
I only speak to them, when the Lord tells me to. Otherwise, I am pretty sure HE can handle that!
I have no doubts that your heart is right and it is very difficult to have a 'normal' conversation in threads due to the fact that it is words on a page and not including tone, body language, etc.
In closing I do apologize for any attack that you may have felt from my postings, it was not meant to be an attack, only the encouragement for us as beleivers to understand that first and foremost we are called to LOVE!!!!
Mrs. Oliver
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:41:20 PM
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As I am glad to see the lively responses here, I am somewhat disappointed that the purpose of the topic has strayed.
It is simply this!
A Christian accepts Christ and loves Him. The salvation concept does not include a special place for living in continuous sin because sin wars against the spirit of Christ that is in each of us.
We may attempt to live in a sinful lifestyle but it will ultimately prove that we were never truly saved or we will be compelled to come out of that continuous life of sin.
This thread was not about passing judgement or claiming that we can be sinless. It is pointing out that the Holy Spirit helps to correct us and keep us on track. We may be living out of His will for a long period of time but God's great mercy will help guide us back into his loving arms.
You may not like or understand the statement A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin... but it is a fact that we cannot embrace both sin and Christ. One will overcome the other.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:53:16 PM
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MrsOliver
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This thread was not about passing judgement or claiming that we can be sinless. It is pointing out that the Holy Spirit helps to correct us and keep us on track. We may be living out of His will for a long period of time but God's great mercy will help guide us back into his loving arms.
so if you believe this: then why the statement?
this is the very essence of our Christ Walk! We will fall and we will be guided back...'the sin' doesn't matter.
Your statement does suggest judgement. Because it is false even according to your quote from above..so you really are contradicting yourself, are you not?
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 4/1/2008 5:54:37 PM
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First off, claiming that someone who calls them self a Christian but is living in sin is not really a Christian is a cop out. It is an easy answer to a difficult question. Only God can judge a person's salvation.
Second, the statement of this thread "A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin" is false and I can prove this through scripture;
Take for example Peter, he saw no problem eating with Gentiles except when certain Jews were present, then he would withdraw from them and eat only with the Jews. This is hypocrisy, something Jesus strongly denounced in the Pharisees. This continued until he was rebuked by Paul. (Gal 2:11-13)
Another example would be the Corinthian church, just read 1st Corinthians and you will see a number of transgressions they were caught up in that Paul had to address; drunkenness at the Lords supper, arrogance and pride over who had baptized them, airing out the church's dirty laundry in public and going to court with one another rather than using the well established church discipline. And many more.
Most of Paul's letters were written to churches because of continual problems that needed to be addressed.
And as I posted before, even Paul in Romans 7 states that he practices that which he hates. Practice indicates a continual, daily process, not an occasional slip.
Finally, for those of you who think that you do not sin daily really need to check yourselves. I can honestly and humbly state that there is not a day in which I am perfect nor will I be until the day of redemption.
Thank you for your post, it blessed me.
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I praise God for these posters because there is one very important point that we all seem to agree on. That is that for a Christian to continuously live in sin is wrong. Where we may disagree on is what is continuous sin? Does a person living in continuous sin loose their salvation? Was this person ever saved in the first place, etc. and on and on it goes? 
However the question I have to ask myself is according to God`s eyes, are we any better then those around us who are living in continuous sin? God reminds us in Isa.64:6 "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away." That puts all of us at point 0 on the scale of God`s righteousness. That is why we are all saved by grace through faith in Christ alone.
