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peacebringer -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/2/2008 10:45:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stateofgrace

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ORIGINAL: peacebringer

I enjoy Dr. Who, but it has always been a guilty enjoyment. The new age, occultic references are always ripe throughout the series.


Hmmm....certainly not nearly to the extent of many other scifi series, and not meant at all to be taken seriously. Perhaps you are someone who is extremely sensitive to such things and should avoid any remote/fictional connection at all costs?

Hardly, I am one who thinks about what I watch and read. Like I have said I have long enjoyed Dr. Who. Yet, there are things in content that I find troubling. I am not asking for anything to be "reconciled." I am asking a simple question, a question I ask myself. But, heh, it is just a TV show, the messages we expose ourself in our desire to be entertained and escape shouldn't really be discussed or examined.



peacebringer -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/2/2008 10:46:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agapetos

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ORIGINAL: peacebringer

I enjoy Dr. Who, but it has always been a guilty enjoyment. The new age, occultic references are always ripe throughout the series. With Russell T. Davies writing a lot of the stories and at the helm, you have an ongoing thread of redefining relationships and bascially concluding that all that matters is "love."
I also have noted that in Series 4 there is an ongoing thread of "extending life" and a couple of different incidents of this including last episode. I imagine that Donna will have her life "extended eternally" in some way. It seems to be what writers are foreshadowing.

For those of you who enjoy the film how to do you reconcile your enjoyment with the new age/occultic themes?
It's escapism. Like stateofgrace said, it's not meant to be taken seriously. If you feel guilty about it, perhaps you shouldn't be watching it?

As for love being all that matters, perhaps you should read 1 Corinthians 13:13
So since there is love, homesexuality is okay?



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 3:51:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
I enjoy Dr. Who, but it has always been a guilty enjoyment. The new age, occultic references are always ripe throughout the series.



I've enjoyed Doctor Who since my childhood (when William Hartnell was the Doctor). I have *never* felt guilty about watching it, or any other science fiction programme that I've watched.

I don't believe in living in some kind of bubble - which is what I'd have to do if I wanted to avoid everything that contained any reference to this kind of thing. I'd have to have no TV, no radio, read no newspapers and not speak with any non-Christians (99% of the people in my town). I personally can watch programmes with non-Christian content without it dragging me down and have taught my children to be able to do the same, by discerning and discussing - but, if you can't, then, really, just don't watch it. But please, don't try to make others feel guilty about it.

If you want to discuss this anymore, and perhaps more in general, I would respectfully suggest you start a thread in Morality & Ethics, as this thread is basically a fan thread for Doctor Who.



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 6:20:47 AM)

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So since there is love, homesexuality is okay?

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If you want to discuss this anymore, and perhaps more in general, I would respectfully suggest you start a thread in Morality & Ethics, as this thread is basically a fan thread for Doctor Who.
Or the one-stop homosexuality thread. (But as a Christian, no homosexuality isn't ok and I have never said it was. Please don't put words in my mouth.)

I can't wait until Saturday! I am aiming to watch the repeat tomorrow night.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 6:22:32 AM)

I can't wait till Saturday either!! I tell you, no-one had better knock on the door or phone us from 6.40pm for the next hour! I might even take the phone off the hook at 6.30, in preparation!



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stateofgrace -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 2:16:58 PM)

I think that personally, if any believer finds a television show that they're watching, or a book that they're reading, "troubling" - they should, before anything else, step back and wait on the Lord for insight as to just why it is troubling for them personally.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 5:49:44 PM)

agapetos,

Did you happen to see Catherine Tate on the Graham Norton Show tonight?



Sideways -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 8:53:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

I can't wait till Saturday either!! I tell you, no-one had better knock on the door or phone us from 6.40pm for the next hour!


6:40 for the start of a primetime show? Yeah, I do remember Europe having some weird TV schedules. [8D] I remember one Dutch channel would start shows about a certain time, but it really could be 5 minutes in either direction.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 9:21:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways
6:40 for the start of a primetime show? Yeah, I do remember Europe having some weird TV schedules.


<slaps Sideways for mentioning "Europe">

6.40 IS primetime TV time here, for a Saturday night anyway.



Sideways -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 9:28:55 PM)

What? Last time I checked Great Britain was still considered part of Europe.

Primetime here starts around 8pm.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/3/2008 9:31:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways
Last time I checked Great Britain was still considered part of Europe.


It depends who you ask. [;)]



peacebringer -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/4/2008 1:19:13 AM)

sorry for offending anyone with my comments not my intent. Meant to engage discussion and thinking. I will go away from this thread now.



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/4/2008 5:28:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

agapetos,

Did you happen to see Catherine Tate on the Graham Norton Show tonight?

No, did she give any secrets away?

'Martha' (sorry can't remember her name) was on Breakfast this am though ~ she didn't give any secrets away.

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What? Last time I checked Great Britain was still considered part of Europe.
GB is also part of the Commonwealth, as is Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you started to refer to these countries as 'the Commonwealth' you'd get a bit more than a slap from their citizens.

To avoid taking the Dr Who thread off-topic further on discussion of Europe, may I suggest you go here if you want to continue it ~ we've recently been discussing it. Many thanks.

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6:40 for the start of a primetime show?
You have to remember that this isn't an adult programme, but designed for children. Like Manda, I have watched Dr Who from a young age ~ any later and there would be many deprived children out there as it would clash with their bedtime routine.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/4/2008 8:43:45 AM)

I will pm you! [;)]



stateofgrace -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/4/2008 8:25:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agapetos
You have to remember that this isn't an adult programme, but designed for children.


And that's really funny IMO, because I would consider Doctor Who a program for older children, like adolescents and older. Or, pre-adolescents. About the age for Spiderman movies. It's someimes a bit scary, and occasionally has a high body count (like the Titanic episode). Most of the time Doctor Who has a TV-PG rating in the US, but I'll bet at least a few episodes have been TV-14. The Sarah Jane Adeventures seems to be firmly in the children's program arena. It would be more appropriate for Nick or Disney Channel in the US than SciFi, where it is being shown.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/5/2008 4:54:55 AM)

I've been watching Doctor Who since I was 5 or 6 (when William Hartnell was the Doctor). It was on at 5.50pm on a Saturday night, and my dad used to watch it, so I did. A lot of the time it was the music that was scariest for me!!

I think it has been scarier since it was "relaunched" with Christopher Eccleston, and now David Tennant. Though "Terror of the Autons" in 1971 was probably one of the most scary ones I've ever seen, still to this day!

My dd was 11 when she started watching it, and has been fine. I'm not sure how I'd have felt about under 10s watching it - not sure what we'd have done if our children had been younger! I think it would have depended on the individual child.



manda59 -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/5/2008 4:56:28 AM)

Ah, I was wondering how come Canada gets the episodes on the same day as us in the UK!

This from Wikipedia:

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Some development money for the new series is contributed by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), which is credited as a co-producer.


Didn't know that!



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/5/2008 6:38:18 PM)

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I think it would have depended on the individual child.
I think that's the case for many programmes. I know there are programmes taht I watched as a child (remember 'Within these walls'?) that I wouldn't let my children have watched (had I any). I know that some parents allow their children to watch CSI's but make them hide their eyes at the bad bits. Sorry, crazy. If a child has to cover their eyes at certain parts of the programmed (because they are being made to) they shouldn't be watching it...

But this isn't about censorship...

I loved tonights episode. One character (think, one letter, one number) I want! Some brilliant one-liners, some kinda predictable bits, some totally unexpected. 91 weeks until it's on again (apart from the 'specials' ~ and the trailer for that made me shudder![;)])



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/5/2008 8:07:08 PM)

LOL. I just looked at the news online and for one site, Dr Who is in the headlines!



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/6/2008 7:14:14 PM)

And the good Dr is in the headlines again today.

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The finale to the latest series of Doctor Who was seen by an average audience of 9.4m people on BBC One.

The final 15 minutes of the drama pulled in 9.8m viewers, capturing close to 50% of the entire TV audience.


Warning ~ the link contains spoilers!

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stateofgrace -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/6/2008 8:47:07 PM)

Yeah, I think you really want to warn those of us in the USA about avoiding anywhere that might contain spoilers for the next few weeks, if we don't want to be spoiled. Considering that I am spoiled, at least in this case...I'm not sorry that I know, but if you don't WANT to know, best to stay away from sci-fi web sites and UK news sites for a while.



agapetos -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/7/2008 9:56:46 AM)

We Brits are so considerate[:D]. While I'd like to visit some of the US produced programmes, I have to avoid because of the spoilers!



Dancre -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/8/2008 10:07:35 PM)

I really like this new Dr. Who as opposed to the older series. This Doc is, well, more human than the other Time Lord. Of course, it is sad that Gallifry is gone, (Or is it???) But this Doc exposes more of his pain of destroying his homeworld. He actually FEELS stuff. Love, hate, regret. On the episode where he gets a cloned daughter, he stated he can't stand looking at her b/c he remembers his family. mmmm . . . Was our Doc actually married??? And did he have kids? I think his mom died some time ago as well as his dad, so . . . I'm also wondering about the dear Dr. Rain Song. Was she a lover in the future, who died in the past?? There's so many questions!! I want them answered.

It's good to know K-9 is with Sara Jane, but what about the Master??? OI!!!



kim



Dancre -> RE: Dr Who is coming back (7/8/2008 10:24:14 PM)

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Speaking of original, I'm trying to think of how to put this without sounding too harsh. Seeing somebody else nobly rush in to die while the Dr. goes tootling off to some other adventure is, dare I say this, old? I realize that's the limitation of the show, but IMO, that's why it can't rise to the level of other shows that are great. When you know that nothing can happen to the hero, it takes most of the drama out and makes a show merely entertaining.


This is what has always bugged me about almost every show on TV. Someone dies for the hero, then the hero goes off to another adventure, without a care in the world. But I've noticed with this doc, there seems to be a kind of depression on him, like he's running from something, but won't say what it is. Maybe his past, pain, something. It's there. When the group slows down and rests, it comes out, a little at a time. At least that's the impression I get. He's running from something and it keeps chasing him. It will be interesting when it finally catches up to him. [&o]

I'm hoping the writers will continue with this, maybe even push the doc to the edge, so to speak.

kim



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