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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/19/2008 8:03:53 PM
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Propitiation
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Is that what he use to believe or that he still bellieved that when he died?If so,that is at worst,heresy.
I'm pretty sure he took it to the grave that he was still a prosperity preacher and the father of it. Technically he wasn't even the father of it. He plagiarized from E.W. Kenyon. I guess thats a whole different ball of wax thats probably been discussed countless times over the past 76 pages.
Wonderful quote from John Piper. "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him." Right now I'm reading through his book, "Future grace" and its really rocking me on some things that I've done with thinking that I have to repay God for what he's done for me. "debtors ethic".
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/19/2008 8:10:02 PM
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Is that what he use to believe or that he still bellieved that when he died?If so,that is at worst,heresy.
I'm pretty sure he took it to the grave that he was still a prosperity preacher and the father of it. Technically he wasn't even the father of it. He plagiarized from E.W. Kenyon. I guess thats a whole different ball of wax thats probably been discussed countless times over the past 76 pages.
Wonderful quote from John Piper. "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him." Right now I'm reading through his book, "Future grace" and its really rocking me on some things that I've done with thinking that I have to repay God for what he's done for me. "debtors ethic".
Wow, from WOF to John Piper...that's quite a swing! So glad you saw the light!! Blessings to you!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/19/2008 8:12:52 PM
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Future Grace is an amazing book.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 6:27:50 AM
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Yeah Piper is among my favourite mordern preachers along with Paul washer,Macarthur and Dr.Jeremaih.I only listen to those guys the rest of my favourite preachers are the old school Edwards,Spurgeon and etc...
I forgot to mention but yeah that quote is from Piper and not myself,sorry if anyone thought iit was from me.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 6:35:52 AM
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Well, I knew it was from Piper right away, but that's only because I'm so familiar with his teachings.
Add to your list of people I listen to: Alistair Begg, R.C. Sproul, Covenant Life Church, Capitol Hill Baptist, Sinclair Ferguson, and Mark Driscoll. All solid Bible teaching, unlike the WOF crowd.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 1:57:39 PM
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I have defied the Word of Faith and prospered!
A while ago I received a call from a restaurant doing a promotion. They wanted to bring me a box of fried chicken. Now, I'm not rolling in fried chicken here, but --I was going to get by on a honey bun today. I turned them down by speaking negatively and locking that blessing up by saying "No, I don't need it. No thanks, but thank you for your call."
By WoF standards that should have been it. I would have prospered one box of chicken more than I started the day out. My non-prosperous attitude should have left me the tail and not the head. Here comes the "but"....
A short time later a guy came in from a nearby business. They had received more than they could use, so here he was with not one, but _two_ boxes of chicken! For me!! Now that is a two-fold return on my negative confession! The power of free chicken is in the tongue and he that turns it down is defying the rhema powers! and winning!
My cup ranneth over and I had more than I could eat. I guess you can't stop a blessing with your tongue but you _can_ taste the free chicken.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 2:58:27 PM
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Wintery,
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My cup ranneth over and I had more than I could eat. I guess you can't stop a blessing with your tongue but you _can_ taste the free chicken.
I glad to hear that BUT did you also share in your wealth to someone who else who need it to?
They for some stange reason also believe that they can live the life of great luxgury and forget other people needs. They also will help their kind, but when a stranger comes in their mist. Then they seem to look the other way.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 3:22:31 PM
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Wintery,
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My cup ranneth over and I had more than I could eat. I guess you can't stop a blessing with your tongue but you _can_ taste the free chicken.
I glad to hear that BUT did you also share in your wealth to someone who else who need it to?
They for some stange reason also believe that they can live the life of great luxgury and forget other people needs. They also will help their kind, but when a stranger comes in their mist. Then they seem to look the other way.
I'm glad you asked! I offered one box of chicken to the phone guy who was working up here but he turned it down. Since I'm a carnivore (prosperous winterfelinus) I gnawed the chicken to the bone and had beans and rice from each box leftover which I gave to my co-worker who now shares in the defiant prosperity of my negative tongue.
Thanks for asking!
---the ridiculously overfed and prosperous wintery
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 3:30:46 PM
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Mmmmm... fried chicken.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 3:37:20 PM
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The phone guy will recieve a sack of groceries and a 400 dollar check because of his negative tongue.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 2:10:38 AM
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Well, I knew it was from Piper right away, but that's only because I'm so familiar with his teachings.
Add to your list of people I listen to: Alistair Begg, R.C. Sproul, Covenant Life Church, Capitol Hill Baptist, Sinclair Ferguson, and Mark Driscoll. All solid Bible teaching, unlike the WOF crowd.
I like R.C. Sproul but I'm still a bit unsure about Driscoll because of the emergent issue.
I will name my other favourite preachers/theoligians:Jeff Noblitt,John Bunyan,T.L Moody,Leonard Ravenhill,Calvin,Mathew Henry,Luther,George Whitefeild,Martyn Lloyd-Jones,R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and so forth.
As you can see,I do not like most of the modern preachers.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 2:40:13 AM
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Sammy. Im liking your list of preachers. God has used a lot of the ones you mentioned to help me over come wof teachings. Paul washer's sermons was a huge wake up call. Not sure if you are familiar with R.W. Stott but he is another one you might want to check out. He wrote the theological book, "The Cross of Christ." I Highly recommend it. God Bless
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 8:26:31 AM
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I have defied the Word of Faith and prospered!
A while ago I received a call from a restaurant doing a promotion. They wanted to bring me a box of fried chicken. Now, I'm not rolling in fried chicken here, but --I was going to get by on a honey bun today. I turned them down by speaking negatively and locking that blessing up by saying "No, I don't need it. No thanks, but thank you for your call."
By WoF standards that should have been it. I would have prospered one box of chicken more than I started the day out. My non-prosperous attitude should have left me the tail and not the head. Here comes the "but"....
A short time later a guy came in from a nearby business. They had received more than they could use, so here he was with not one, but _two_ boxes of chicken! For me!! Now that is a two-fold return on my negative confession! The power of free chicken is in the tongue and he that turns it down is defying the rhema powers! and winning!
My cup ranneth over and I had more than I could eat. I guess you can't stop a blessing with your tongue but you _can_ taste the free chicken.
That was PRICELESS!
Hey wintery, you can write a book about it. Some suggested titles:
"The POULTRY Driven Life"
"Your Best DRUMSTICK Now"
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 9:01:44 AM
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You people, make me laugh so hard sometimes. I have hard time looking at the monitor. 
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I'm glad you asked! I offered one box of chicken to the phone guy who was working up here but he turned it down. Since I'm a carnivore (prosperous winterfelinus) I gnawed the chicken to the bone and had beans and rice from each box leftover which I gave to my co-worker who now shares in the defiant prosperity of my negative tongue.
Thanks for asking!
---the ridiculously overfed and prosperous wintery
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The phone guy will recieve a sack of groceries and a 400 dollar check because of his negative tongue.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 9:20:26 AM
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When his most righteous prophet of the apostolic saint of holy pullet Tyson Purdue came to my church last year I gave him a great big offering and we said a prayer that all of the negative unbeliever's would have their cups overflowing with beans, rice and especially chicken. You can read about his doctrine in his all time bestseller good morning holy bidder.
In the meantime make sure you send your testimony on how our prayers and his ministry positively impacted you and if you send a real large donation or maybe even some leftover beans you'll get a genuine soaking napkin to wipe up the grease from that abundance of poultry you're committing gluttony with. ; )
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 9:34:10 AM
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I like R.C. Sproul but I'm still a bit unsure about Driscoll because of the emergent issue.
Sammy: do a search on Driscoll on the forms posts here. You'll find links that explain that he was only involved with what became the emergents for a fairly short time (about 8 to 10 years ago, I think), and has been very vocal about his distancing himself from them, and why he has done that.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 9:51:22 AM
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wintery
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That was PRICELESS!
Hey wintery, you can write a book about it. Some suggested titles:
"The POULTRY Driven Life"
"Your Best DRUMSTICK Now"
Soxfan, those are hilarious! The sad thing is you _know_ people would buy them!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 3:44:30 PM
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Sammy_S
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Sammy. Im liking your list of preachers. God has used a lot of the ones you mentioned to help me over come wof teachings. Paul washer's sermons was a huge wake up call. Not sure if you are familiar with R.W. Stott but he is another one you might want to check out. He wrote the theological book, "The Cross of Christ." I Highly recommend it. God Bless
I will definately check him out,thanks!His name sounds familiar.
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Sammy: do a search on Driscoll on the forms posts here. You'll find links that explain that he was only involved with what became the emergents for a fairly short time (about 8 to 10 years ago, I think), and has been very vocal about his distancing himself from them, and why he has done that.
Yeah I understand that he has,but e still refers himself as an "emerging" right?His sermons seem to be orthodox and i love the fact that he is a calvinist but i am still iffy about his belief that we should be more "relevant".If I am wrong forgive me but he is a bit confusing to me.
I also forgot to add A.W. Pink to my list!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 4:09:36 PM
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Yeah I understand that he has,but e still refers himself as an "emerging" right?His sermons seem to be orthodox and i love the fact that he is a calvinist but i am still iffy about his belief that we should be more "relevant".If I am wrong forgive me but he is a bit confusing to me.
No, he does not refer to himself as "emerging." Driscoll recently preached a sermon on the Emerging Church as part of his "Religion Saves and 9 Other Misconceptions" series. If interested, you can download it from the marshillchurch.org web site or free from iTunes (search in the iTunes store in Podcasts on Mark Driscoll).
Just a little disclaimer - I don't 100% agree with Driscoll's views on the roles of Christian women in church and society. And once in a while, he shows symptoms of foot-in-mouth disease. But he is an engaging speaker, and I think he does communicate well to young adults (and us not so young adults). I admire that he's combined a modern style/approach with focusing on being serious about our walk with Christ.
Now back to your regularly scheduled WOF thread...
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 9:56:48 PM
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 3/24/2008 7:37:19 AM
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Sammy. Im liking your list of preachers. God has used a lot of the ones you mentioned to help me over come wof teachings. Paul washer's sermons was a huge wake up call. Not sure if you are familiar with R.W. Stott but he is another one you might want to check out. He wrote the theological book, "The Cross of Christ." I Highly recommend it. God Bless
Stott is good, but has espoused annihalitionism in recent years, so be careful.
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