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lmwal931 -> is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 12:22:55 AM)

i started understanding things about the pied piper on july 4, 1983 and this thing has continued. my last insight was in 2007. i understand it was started by catholic monks in germany a long time ago.



Ezra -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 2:23:46 AM)

You could say that the Pied Piper is symbolic of Satan, who has seductively led the human race down the road to Hell.



tapestry -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 7:46:14 AM)

Actually it is a story that gives a good case for unions and written contracts. He is an employee who agrees to do a job for a certain amount of pay. He does a perfect job, does what is agreed upon and then the city council who hired him refuses to give him his just wages. Why he would think having dozens of children would even the score I am not sure, obviously he is not a parent or he would know how much these kids are going to cost him. Never the less, he takes the kids making his employers wish they had just paid him the cash and loosing them the election for city council next term.
Moral of the story.....get it in writing before you start the job!



Lapidoth -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 10:53:27 AM)

LOL. Getting things in writing doesn't work in our day.
Perhaps to some degree. But our signature is only as
good as our word, which is only as good as our signature.

Yep, I've been bitten by both. lol.

Good this have any parallel to "the dance of the pierced one?"

There's always a truth or moral behind most stories.
Whether by goodness or deception.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 9:01:29 PM)

in the story the pied piper led the rats thru the eastern gate. a long time ago a teenager was telling news about a family member who just gave birth prematurely. she said the baby was the size of a rat. and 25 yrs. later i remembered what she said. and my memory is deficient in most other things. the eastern gate: visualize a e to the left and a e to the right and the word rats in the center e rats e . rearrange the letters and you get easter. our youngest daughter's name is teresa. rearrange the letters in teresa and you get easter. isn't this unusual, even startling.
the 1st easter - date of resurection - is on 4-9-30. and it continues with a large no. of co-incidences. e.g. i was raised up on eastern ave. in rocky mount, n.c..



lightshineon -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/16/2008 9:12:57 PM)

See I understand things like that too, though alot of people do not, it is insight that appears strange to some.[;)]



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/18/2008 9:59:16 PM)

pied piper. turn the p's upside down and you get died diper (diaper}.

more strange. nobody believes me. GOD said in 2 thessalonians 2: they will believe a lie.



Conundrum -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/18/2008 10:06:49 PM)

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visualize a e to the left and a e to the right and the word rats in the center e rats e . rearrange the letters and you get easter. our youngest daughter's name is teresa. rearrange the letters in teresa and you get easter. isn't this unusual, even startling.


No. it's going through contortions to try to make something out of nothing.

Do you also believe that it's important that "santa" rearranged is "satan"?

quote:

the 1st easter - date of resurection - is on 4-9-30


Where'd you get this date?



Conundrum -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/18/2008 10:08:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

pied piper. turn the p's upside down and you get died diper (diaper}.


No, you get died dider. Or do you only turn upside down the letters you WANT to?

quote:

more strange.


Is there supposed to be some significance to "died diaper"?

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nobody believes me. GOD said in 2 thessalonians 2: they will believe a lie.


So because people don't believe you, they're believing a lie?

Are you saying you're God's prophet or something?



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/19/2008 10:40:32 PM)

only GOD is a prophet. you may want to read 2thess2. scholars agree that there are many mysteries in the bible. we just want people to think. john 1:1 "in the beginning was the word". i interpret the word as the truth. a few have have gone ballistic with me over this. there is a verse in john that says "thy word is truth". GOD is the author of logic and truth.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/19/2008 11:01:48 PM)

satan and santa are both of the world. satan i have id'ed as the world. our society. i get along better with santa. 666 is about abortion. also 12 when used together. 1 is the father. 2 are babies. used together as 12, 12000, etc. its about the FATHERS dislike of abortion. this is symbolic of course. this is truth. i can not recant. to quote martin luther. all our observations i get from scripture. a few times i think it is an extension of GOD'S logic. a few times GOD has spoken to me with precise words but i didn't hear with my ears. e.g. on febr 28, 1977 GOD said " judas was not the real betrayer. he was a scapegoat. he only got a taste of what the others got". in a week or so i wrote a 5 pg. essay on judas.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/19/2008 11:19:55 PM)

i got a booklet from the morehead planetarium unc-chapel hill n.c.

"easter the awakening" copyright 1950 they id'ed the date 4/9/30ad.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/19/2008 11:23:06 PM)

i turn only the letters i need to. i can get easter from Bart.



WesP -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/20/2008 3:45:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

satan and santa are both of the world. satan i have id'ed as the world. our society. i get along better with santa. 666 is about abortion. also 12 when used together. 1 is the father. 2 are babies. used together as 12, 12000, etc. its about the FATHERS dislike of abortion. this is symbolic of course. this is truth. i can not recant. to quote martin luther. all our observations i get from scripture. a few times i think it is an extension of GOD'S logic. a few times GOD has spoken to me with precise words but i didn't hear with my ears. e.g. on febr 28, 1977 GOD said " judas was not the real betrayer. he was a scapegoat. he only got a taste of what the others got". in a week or so i wrote a 5 pg. essay on judas.


Are you saying that the bible is wrong? I do not see how God would contradict His own word. Please, explain this.



Dakotasunbeam -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/20/2008 4:17:15 PM)

At first, I was going to try to find some alegorical meaning in the pied piper as it pertianed to a christian perspective. But as I began to read, I question whether the OP is being humorous? If you are not being humorous, please stop and take a deep breath, just remember scripture is of no private interpretation. Everything in scripture should line up. Another point I should make, if the word "pied piper" has some significance when you turn the "p" and the "d" upside down . . . how do you explain that the original word was in german or some german dialect, as you mentioned that the story began with Catholic german monks? Or does it only matter now that it has been translated. What if it means something entirely different when you read it in Dutch, French, Spanish or Greek? This is circular reasoning.

Have you seen the movie, "Bug?"



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/22/2008 9:31:34 PM)

i am saying that if you want precise info you go to the 4th gosp. in john JESUS said "what you do, do quickly". and that's what judas did. if you are intent on judging judas you wil have to find another GOD.

i believe that JESUS wrote or dictated john's gospel. that would account for the high level of CHRISTOLOGY in the 4th gospel. we are not called to judge but everybody judges judas. the bible tells us that "judas repented'. i have essays that are more in depth. the bible is inerrant but it has to be interpreted. this is not a game. read scripture carefully. and i love peter because he took up for judas in acts1.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/22/2008 9:39:39 PM)

i have been asked that before. i don't know if you can do that with other languages. at any rate GOD speaks to me in english. the pied piper story is not in scripture. all christians go thru the eastern (resurection) gate.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/22/2008 9:55:07 PM)

i aint seen no movie called bugs. when i refute somebody i quote chapter/verse. nobody believes me but i persist. i asked GOD and HE said "don't worry about it". 2nd thess2:11 i guess everybody believes
the lie.



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/27/2008 1:03:00 AM)

died diper is a baby that has been murdered. i only accept JESUS as a prophet. i am a sinner saved by grace. a premature baby has been described as a rat. this refers to the pied piper story. perdition: turn the p upside down to get a b. use parts of other letters to get a "a". and you get abortion. the man of perdition is a abortion provider. murdering a innocent, defenseless, and precious baby is the most abhorrent of all sins. and the FATHER worked hard to create this child who is least in the kingdom of heaven. i am in the process of writing a essay saying that the reason JESUS went to the cross is because abortion is a horrible way beyond anything else sin. we are all guilty of this.



1love1God1way -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/27/2008 4:55:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

i turn only the letters i need to.


Pretty convenient that way, isn't it?



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 4:10:26 AM)

what i said 'i turn only the letters i need to"was rather sloppy. looking for the truth i look carefully at a word to find a confirmation to the truth. e.g. "babylon" i looked at this word from the way it's used in the bible. i read it backwards. "no love baby" is my interpretation in this particular instance. L = love a is the atonement c is christ E is easter f is family G is GOD h is heaven J is JESUS k is kisses for your spouse m and w you turn 90 degrees and get a e for easter p is perfect (only GOD qualifies) and so on. i am constantly on a easter egg hunt. some hate it but i look under every rock for GOD'S truth. but you have to be careful you don't beat the rock like moses did. symbolic of beating your head for the truth. you shouldn't do that. in the moses story, he was after water. in this story water = truth fits the picture. your interpretation of scripture should always fit the picture. JESUS cursed the fig tree but it was not the season for figs. so you need to look deeper for a correct interpretation.



amyk -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 6:37:57 AM)

Is anyone other than me completely confused by this thread?

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what i said 'i turn only the letters i need to"was rather sloppy. looking for the truth i look carefully at a word to find a confirmation to the truth. e.g. "babylon" i looked at this word from the way it's used in the bible. i read it backwards. "no love baby" is my interpretation in this particular instance. L = love a is the atonement c is christ E is easter f is family G is GOD h is heaven J is JESUS k is kisses for your spouse m and w you turn 90 degrees and get a e for easter p is perfect (only GOD qualifies) and so on.


I'm just not gettin' ya, lmwal931. Are you saying that all these convolutions in switching letters, etc. are ways that the Lord is speaking to you?



ta_mosquito -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 9:58:53 AM)

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but you have to be careful you don't beat the rock like moses did. symbolic of beating your head for the truth.


amen!



JimboFletch -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 5:37:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lmwal931
...but you have to be careful you don't beat the rock like moses did. symbolic of beating your head for the truth. you shouldn't do that. in the moses story, he was after water. in this story water = truth fits the picture....

Actually, that Rock represented Jesus. God commanded the rock beaten the first time, as a symbol of Jesus' bruising, and the water that flowed forth represented the Water of Life that Jesus provided. The second time Moses was merely to speak to the rock (once the price was paid for our salvation, Jesus did not need to repeat His sacrifice). By disobeying God the second time, Moses caused harm to the representation that God intended.



NoDumbBlonde -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 6:13:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931
i only accept JESUS as a prophet. i am a sinner saved by grace


Jesus is God's Son. Not was but is. This means he is far beyond a mere prophet. Salvation does come from grace but it also come from knowing this truth.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only SON that whosoever believes in Him would not perish but have everlasting life." Scripture is pretty clear on this one. We can be saved by grace but only through God's son, Jesus.

I suggest we focus on the real truth here instead of some possible insight on the pied piper tale. We, in all honesty can manipulate most any story to met our own expectations and beliefs. Whether or not the tale has any symbolic meaning with regards to God, I don't know. I've never heard that it does and am still not so convinced.
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