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oldmethuselah -> is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper (3/28/2008 6:13:51 PM)

Conundrum...

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No. it's going through contortions to try to make something out of nothing.

Do you also believe that it's important that "santa" rearranged is "satan"?


AND if you assign the values A - 6 B - 12 C - 18 ... and so on, then

SANTA = 666

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LCannon -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 6:20:24 PM)

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look carefully at a word to find a confirmation to the truth. e.g. "babylon" i looked at this word from the way it's used in the bible. i read it backwards. "no love baby" is my interpretation in this particular instance. L = love a is the atonement c is christ E is easter f is family G is GOD h is heaven J is JESUS k is kisses for your spouse m and w you turn 90 degrees and get a e for easter p is perfect (only GOD qualifies) and so on. i am constantly on a easter egg hunt. ...


Looks like somebody has too much time on their hands...



1love1God1way -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 6:24:52 PM)

Looks like someone thinks that turning English letters on their side and making them represent something is the way God intended for us to read Scripture. . . .



lmwal931 -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/28/2008 10:29:34 PM)

sorry, there i go again. JESUS is the only prophet that i accept. HE is much more than a prophet. it is hard for me to explain this concept on a forum. actually my goal is to get people to think for themselves. the rats went thru the eastern gate in the pied piper story. the people in this town had no use for rats. many years before somebody came in from the hospital and said the premature baby looked like a rat. and i remembered this comment 25 yrs later. rats in the pied piper story symbolized babys. draw the gate and write rats and rearrange the letters and you get easter . that's the best i can do on my cornputer. i should not have mentioned turning the p's upside down as it has made everything impossible. and it may still be impossible to get this across.


i was trying to show that all aborted babies are resurected and in rev7:14
"these are they who have come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes,and made them white in the blood of the LAMB." KJV

this is the great tribulation. we have murdered over 50 million babies by abortion.



oldmethuselah -> SANTA = 666 (3/29/2008 6:52:44 AM)

You know, I have only just read this thread more closely.

I basically thought somebody was just larking about, and my SANTA remark was made in that vein.

But now I see, there APPEARS to be a really serious "numerology" thing going on here.

PERHAPS Imwal931, you are just PULLING OUR CHAIN, however,

IF THERE IS THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE that you are serious, I APOLOGIZE for feeding the storm.

I will now give the math lesson behind the Santa = 666 (in briefer form than the one I give my Calculus students) [:D]

By attributing the numeric values of 6 for A 12 for B 18 for C and so on, you VIRTUALLY create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

EVERY WORD becomes a multiple of 6!

I invite my class to find out what THEIR name adds up to, and, inevitably, about a quarter of the class can get their name to add up to 666.

What I mean by "get their name"...is as follows...if ROBERT doesn't work, you might use BOB...

IF SANTA did not work, you might use KRIS KRINGLE....

IF you need a middle initial you STICK IT IN....

IF you need a whole middle name you use that instead...

(We got Pierre Trudeau to add up to 660 I think, so we stuck in a middle initial of A (for Aloysius) to complete the "brew")

the list is endless...

and, sadly, it is just this kind of reasoning that many have used, down through the years, to justify any NUMBER (no pun intended) of cruelties or perversions of Scripture.

Now, with only sliding reference to the use of English, I have discovered that there is a whole SERIOUS part of our community that actually BELIEVE that KJV is SUPERIOR to the original GREEK or ARAMAIC...

I LOVE the King James Bible...but, really, it stretches my credulity when you say it is CLOSER to the truth than the original Scriptures!



Doc65 -> RE: SANTA = 666 (3/29/2008 3:04:21 PM)

It's a type of numerology and a mangled one at that in order to justify a view that doesn't seem to hold much water or anything else. The OP has mixed three froms of numerology or gematria, namely, atbash, temura and notaricon:

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Gematria is a system by which numerical values are assigned to letters. Most early languages used gematria for simplicity. The earliest examples are found in Egyptian and Sumerian cultures. Gematria, however, was one of three means that ancient writers used to encode hidden meanings into words or phrases. The other forms of encryption are atbash or (athbash), temura and notaricon. Atbash (or athbash) is a simple “flipping” of an alphabet and equating the corresponding letters (A=Z, B=Y, C=X, et cetera). Notaricon is the transposition of letters so as to form new words. The New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, under the heading “Biblical Exegesis” has a wonderful explanation of the three systems:
The Cabbalists exceeded the preceding interpreters in their allegorical explanation of Scripture. Traces of their system are found in the last pre-Christian centuries…they believed that the literal sense of Scripture included the allegorical sense, as the body includes the soul, though only the initiated could reach this veiled meaning. Three methods helped to attain it: Gematria takes the numerical value of all the letters which make up a word or an expression and derives the hidden meaning from the resultant number; Notaricon forms new entire words out of the single letters of a word, or it forms a word out of the initial letters of the several words of a phrase; Temura consists in the transposition of the letters which make up a word, or in the systematic substitution of other letters. Thus they transpose the consonants of mal'akhi (my angel; Exodus 23:23) into Mikha'el (Michael).


Note that this gematria occurs only in the original languages to create what is "seen" by interpreters. To use a translation not only skews the results, it also creates falsifications as to what the meanings should be...Gematria is a fascinating subject but it shouldn't be one's sole hermeneutic - if it is, then the lens through which one views Scripture is flawed if not cracked.

My 2.5 cents worth. [8|]



lmwal931 -> RE: SANTA = 666 (3/30/2008 7:59:31 PM)

WHEN I 1ST started 2 people gave me books on numerology. both books were devoid of truth and love. i pomptly threw them away.

153 is a very good no. straight from john 21. it shows GOD'S love and confirms the security of the believer.

i love pi. pi = 3.14159 the first 2 = the third you may get the impression that i believe these things are another way to confirm GOD'S love.

13 is the highest no. and >13 you break it down to smaller no. it is not crucial for salvation or truth. 666 is bad but forgiveable. i think reason should prevail. murder is the 6th commandment. i like the 4th gospel but it is crucial to have all 4.



lmwal931 -> RE: SANTA = 666 (3/30/2008 8:13:31 PM)

i think santa is good for children most of the time. i would never associate santa with 666. GOD is much better. and HE is first.

now if you rearrange the letters in santa, you get satan. they are both of the world and that's it. i identify satan as our society. santa is part of our society. and santa brings joy to kids.



ta_mosquito -> RE: SANTA = 666 (3/30/2008 9:19:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

i love pi. pi = 3.14159 the first 2 = the third you may get the impression that i believe these things are another way to confirm GOD'S love.

Huh? The first 2 what equals the third what? [&:]

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13 is the highest no. and >13 you break it down to smaller no.

Are you talking about prime numbers? Here are a few more:
17
19
23
29
...
[;)]



Doc65 -> RE: SANTA = 666 (3/30/2008 9:58:32 PM)

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TMeeks -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/30/2008 10:08:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

i turn only the letters i need to. i can get easter from Bart.

I'm sorry. But, the sad fact is that I believe that you can. But why? For what purpose?

It seems to me that you are putting a great deal of energy into things that don't deserve that much energy.

Wouldn't it be better to just rest in the knowledge that God loves you and is in control. We don't have to live in fear.



amyk -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 2:48:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lmwal931

i love pi. pi = 3.14159 the first 2 = the third you may get the impression that i believe these things are another way to confirm GOD'S love.


Does anyone else feel that we have entered the Twilight Zone? I am so confused. I don't see the number 2 in the part of "pi" that is posted above. I have no idea what pi has to do with anything being discussed in this thread. I have no idea what "the first 2" are or how in the world they equal "the third." Of course, I have no idea what "the third" is unless maybe somehow the poster is talking about the Trinity? But I still don't know what that would have to do with pi.



ta_mosquito -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 3:00:50 PM)

I THINK he means that in 3.1415 that 3+1=4 (the first and second digits added equal the third digit) but I have no idea what that has to do with anything. [;)]



1love1God1way -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 3:03:50 PM)

I would like to see that done for the entirety of pi.



ta_mosquito -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 3:15:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I would like to see that done for the entirety of pi.


Doesn't work, of course. 1+4 does not equal 1. [;)]

I do think it's cool, though, that pi is a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal, similar to a lot of square roots (the ones that aren't from perfect squares like 4, that is). And don't get me started on imaginary (complex) numbers! [sm=gradsmile.gif]



WesP -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 3:26:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I would like to see that done for the entirety of pi.


Doesn't work, of course. 1+4 does not equal 1. [;)]

I do think it's cool, though, that pi is a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal, similar to a lot of square roots (the ones that aren't from perfect squares like 4, that is). And don't get me started on imaginary (complex) numbers! [sm=gradsmile.gif]


3.14 ---> 3+1=4
3.1415 ---> 4+1=5

See...it does keep working! [:D]

The tricky part is that after the second equation, the dynamic of establishing the subsequent equation is determined by spiritual guidance that sustains the godly science of numerology. IOW, only the elect know what to add, subtract, multiply, divide, exponentiate, ...... [8D]



ta_mosquito -> RE: is there a symbolic message in the story of the pied piper? (3/31/2008 3:33:01 PM)

Hmmm. Only works to that point, though - 3.14159265358979323846…

9+2 doesn't equal 6... but I suppose you could say that the 4+5=9. But like you said, it'd be jumping through hoops to figure out which numbers you're supposed to use. [&:]



oldmethuselah -> Bye Bye Miss American Pi! (3/31/2008 6:58:33 PM)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I would like to see that done for the entirety of pi.



there is NO earthly "entirety of pi", thus you must, at least, be looking beyond this mortal frame

after all, pi IS a "transcendental" number



oldmethuselah -> The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 7:10:19 PM)

quote from Wes:

quote:

The tricky part is that after the second equation, the dynamic of establishing the subsequent equation is determined by spiritual guidance that sustains the godly science of numerology. IOW, only the elect know what to add, subtract, multiply, divide, exponentiate,


WesSavedByGrace... R U a member of the Illuminati?



ta_mosquito -> RE: The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 7:30:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oldmethuselah

quote from Wes:

quote:

The tricky part is that after the second equation, the dynamic of establishing the subsequent equation is determined by spiritual guidance that sustains the godly science of numerology. IOW, only the elect know what to add, subtract, multiply, divide, exponentiate,


WesSavedByGrace... R U a member of the Illuminati?


I think he's a member of the Sarcastic.



jfaye -> RE: The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 7:35:06 PM)

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OLEEguacamole -> RE: The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 7:42:41 PM)

the rats will probably eat the pi, then what?



ladyichigo -> RE: The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 8:00:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jfaye

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Ditto!



lmwal931 -> RE: The Pied Piper was ILLUMINATI! (3/31/2008 9:20:30 PM)

pi can be analyzed. otherwise, how can you determine the area of a circle w/o pi? a circle has no end. there are books written about pi. there are people who have calculated zillions of decimals following 3.14159. pi is essential in mathematics. i love everybody on this planet and GOD created every person that has lived or died. and i am very serious about my interpretations. to quote paul "one day we will all know the truth". let us love and reason together. JESUS prayed that we would be one.



1love1God1way -> RE: Bye Bye Miss American Pi! (3/31/2008 9:23:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oldmethuselah

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I would like to see that done for the entirety of pi.



there is NO earthly "entirety of pi", thus you must, at least, be looking beyond this mortal frame

after all, pi IS a "transcendental" number


That was the joke.



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