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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/16/2008 11:37:03 PM   
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Greetings! Jesus also said: "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. Those that had witnessed His Testimony during His Ministry on earth and ate and drank with Him were told what would happen. For it is written: many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. Those who have the signs following their ministry are accountable the more for the witnessing of the wonders as the children of Israel were tried in the desert and some did not endure the trials unto eternal life. For The Lord is Sovereign in His Kingdom and can add a name to the book of life or blot a name out of the book of life as He so decides. For Jesus said: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' For the prophet prohesied clothes for Joshua who led the people into the promised land. But our precious Lord Jesus: See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day. For it is written in revelation that the lamb of God has seven eyes.That the Scriptures are useful for preparing us unto every good work. We know that the law is Good if one uses it properly.

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What I found to be so amazing over the years, is that miracles follow people who totalling love JESUS CHRIST, and many of those that Love him first and foremost, enjoy the miracles but are not driven by miracles.


Thank you, mystic, that is so completely correct. Signs and miracles simply follow those who are desperately in love with Jesus. The people I know who have operated in those gifts have never been driven by miracles, they're just passionate and focused on Jesus.

It's all about Jesus and God will choose to reveal things to whomever delights in pursuing His wisdom and revelation in things.

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I was minding my own business, singing praises to God and worshipping him for his splendor, his beauty, and thats when it happened.


Yep, that's usually when things happen when we're worshipping Jesus.


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21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

I wish your statements were fully true, but alas, miracles follow those who are not serving Jesus first as well.


I think what you are missing in that verse is Jesus saying, "I never KNEW you." He's not talking about people who are intimate with Jesus and who are desperately in love with Him and are pursuing Him with all their hearts, because those people truly know Jesus and are in love with Jesus.

It's easy to keep throwing that verse around. But that verse isn't speaking about everyone in the church, only about those that aren't intimate with the person of Jesus. There are many who are intimate with the bible, but I wonder if they are truly intimate with Jesus Himself and does Jesus speak to them? Do they recognize His voice when He speaks? Do they recognize the HS leading them throughout their daily lives? Those things will better prove whether someone KNOWS Jesus.


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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/17/2008 8:35:18 PM   
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Why is it I can only find 5 direct dreams from God given to people [and 4 of those 5 were to Joseph] in the NT, yet the Elijah list guys and gals manage to have these dreams right and left.



Do you truly believe that everything God ever communicated to everyone in the bible was written down? I mean, you can believe that if you want to, I'm not arguing you the liberty to do so. But if the world could not contain everything that Jesus has done (and supernaturally and prophetically speaking to people would be one of those things), then why does it surprise you that people in the bible could have been communicating with God constantly and none of it written down?

There are lots of prophets in the OT and NT that didn't have their words written down even.

I find that a peculiar way to believe and I couldn't embrace it. But to each his own. When someone has the gift of prophecy or a revelatory gift that is part of that, then God tends to speak quite often to them on a consistent basis. That's been my experience.

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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/17/2008 8:39:43 PM   
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There has been a giving up of seeking God through the word of God and prayer and a turning away to seek personalities and pizazz, prophecies and products, and poster-pumped conferences.


Unless you've spoken personally to 'all' these people you keep lumping together, then I would say you couldn't possibly know what's going on in their heart and their motives.

You don't like what they believe. That's ok. But it's not ok to project negative motives into their hearts.

I've met hundreds of such people through the years at conferences and none of them that I can remember came even close to having those motives. They were drawn to Jesus, plain and simple.

strange how you guys keep doing that. It quite perplexes me.

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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/18/2008 10:22:23 AM   
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Where is the projecting of negative motives? These things are evident. If you get on the Elijah List email you'll receive "advertisements" galore. If you could see the email inbox I use to collect these things you might see what I'm talking about. There is more stuff there than I have time to address.

It's not too hard to figure out how taken with himself Goll is. He calls himself "The Seer".

Check out Goll's MySpace page.

The biggest thing you see there is his ads for his books!

My view is that the man is drowning in fantasy and pulling down as many as will listen. Throwing around a few Bible verses does not support his "prophetic" views in an unseen spiritual realm fantasy.

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There has been a giving up of seeking God through the word of God and prayer and a turning away to seek personalities and pizazz, prophecies and products, and poster-pumped conferences.


Unless you've spoken personally to 'all' these people you keep lumping together, then I would say you couldn't possibly know what's going on in their heart and their motives.

You don't like what they believe. That's ok. But it's not ok to project negative motives into their hearts.

I've met hundreds of such people through the years at conferences and none of them that I can remember came even close to having those motives. They were drawn to Jesus, plain and simple.

strange how you guys keep doing that. It quite perplexes me.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/18/2008 11:52:07 AM   
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Oh, wow. His myspace really is named "The Seer."

Plus he has The Village on his favorite movie list

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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/18/2008 4:07:02 PM   
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Oh, wow. His myspace really is named "The Seer."

Plus he has The Village on his favorite movie list


Goodness...

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