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Doc65 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (3/18/2008 5:57:49 PM)
quote: but did you look up the town "Sycar"? It means "drunken "Sychar" in Hebrew is actually "deception, disappointment, falsehood" from the root verb "to lie or deceive". Gerizim, which is the mountain where the Samaritans worshipped, also relates to the name of the city of the Samaritans as it means "cut off" as in "those who are cut off or destroyed in the sight of Yahweh (Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew/Aramiac/English Lexicon). It reinforces for the reader the separation between the Jews and the Samaritans, especially for a reader in John's day who would have been aware of the double entendre of the names. To deepen the underlying meaning of the five "husbands", it may also be referring to the fact that the Samaritans were a "mongrel" nation made up of five nations which the Assyrians had used to colonize Samaria (Babylon, Cuthah, Ava, Hamath and Sepharvaim). Her sixth "husband" was possibly Rome or even the fact that she worshipped outside of the authority of rabbinic Judaism (this all comes from various sources, so I'd have to re-dig the info up). Yes, she might have been a "floozy" (I'll have to use that in a sermon some day...) but she was also representative of the whole of Samaria - note that many of the people of Sychar came to believe without a sign as opposed to the Jews... My 2 cents-worth...

drk6 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (3/19/2008 1:26:09 PM)
Thanks doc65 you have given some really good information. I hope to be as smart as you some day. Be Blessed

cwb -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/9/2008 1:06:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: figmentPez The fact that the woman was gathering water at mid-day (the sixth hour of the day is noon-ish) speaks to her status as an outcast. Yup! Right answer. I didn't have to look long for it....................

BibleL7 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/12/2008 5:52:54 AM)
Well just to add my pennies worth making her out to be immoral or abused or barren all have to go outside of scripture. We can guess what reason she came at a time different from the usual, but the scriptures are not clear. No reason is given for her having had five husbands just that she in past had five husbands. In context it may be said that the man she has now is not her husband may lead one to believe she is currently living in sin of not being married. Though the thought she was immoral cant be stated clearly from scripture neither can the other thought be stated. Of course nobody brought up the attitude that the towns people showed her afterward seemed somewhat hostile. We will know when we go to be with the Lord. Many preachers have gone towards considering her immoral throughout the centuries and perhaps this pastor felt it was wrong yet his arguments are not supported either. Of course neither is necessarily pertinent to the text. The main point was the difference in talking of spiritual things verses fleshly things to show a point. So to say you are wrong in your thinking of it or the pastor is right and all other preachers who have said it seems she was immoral well dont thin there is scriptural evidence enough either way. Dont feel bad for thinking she was immoral if that is what you had heard over the years just because one preacher says it was wrong, as he can not truly say it is wrong. As to the false preaching of Mary of Magdalene we do have of her that she had demons cast out of her and no mention of any sexual immorality so correcting on calling her a prostitute when it is not stated in scripture is somewhat different. Just the opinion of a small town preacher

lmwal931 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/13/2008 3:40:53 AM)
the lady at the well. she left and told many of JESUS. i call her the 1st evangelist. JESUS told herabout the cup that you drink and never thirst again. that is the cup of hope. she had 5 lousy sorry no count husbands.

Bluethread -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/16/2008 7:29:28 PM)
I don't think we can make a lot of judgements about her, but to find fault with the men in her life is really stretching, since we know nothing about them.

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/16/2008 8:22:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bluethread I don't think we can make a lot of judgments about her, but to find fault with the men in her life is really stretching, since we know nothing about them. The 5 husbands are a prophetic reference of the Torah, the first 5 books, speaks of salvation…. which is of the Jews…. in which the Samaritans were “once a part” of, that salvation… The one to whom she was with, who is not her husband…. does not represent salvation of the first 5 books…….because "she" was not a Jew. The play on words concerning Jesus the Messiah who was standing right in front of her... represents the one who is not her husband, who was Jesus at the well… who was “not yet” her husband...because He had not yet died for those who were not Jews. (Gentiles) LG

Bluethread -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 1:38:17 PM)
I'm not a numerologist and even if I was to call Ha Torah "lousy sorry no count" would be an even greater error.

JimboFletch -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 2:31:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavensmailman Did Jesus test this woman by saying to her, " Go, call your husband and come back?" Did she tell the truth? No, she evaded the truth. A half truth or evasion is bearing false witness. Can you find anyplace in scripture that admonishes us not to bear false witness, that, perhaps, tends towards calling it a sin?

JimboFletch -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 2:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lmwal931 the lady at the well. she left and told many of JESUS. i call her the 1st evangelist. JESUS told herabout the cup that you drink and never thirst again. that is the cup of hope. she had 5 lousy sorry no count husbands. So everybody is wrong for calling the lady a tramp without sufficient evidence but it's okay to condemn 5 men with even less information? What am I missing here? [:D]

DaveW -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 2:53:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The 5 husbands are a prophetic reference of the Torah, the first 5 books, speaks of salvation…. which is of the Jews…. in which the Samaritans were “once a part” of, that salvation… The one to whom she was with, who is not her husband…. does not represent salvation of the first 5 books…….because "she" was not a Jew. The play on words concerning Jesus the Messiah who was standing right in front of her... represents the one who is not her husband, who was Jesus at the well… who was “not yet” her husband...because He had not yet died for those who were not Jews. (Gentiles) Boy is that an excercise in over-spiritualizing things.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 7:17:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lmwal931 the lady at the well. she left and told many of JESUS. i call her the 1st evangelist. JESUS told herabout the cup that you drink and never thirst again. that is the cup of hope. she had 5 lousy sorry no count husbands. How do you know that one of those "5 lousy sorry no count husbands" did not become followers of Jesus? After all, she went and told the men about Jesus, they asked Him to stay with them and He did for 2 more days. The men then said they believed on Him, not because of what the woman said but because of what they heard/saw in Him. Perhaps one of those 5 lousy husbands was one that believed on Him. Or perhaps, all of them did[8\|]

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 7:21:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The 5 husbands are a prophetic reference of the Torah, the first 5 books, speaks of salvation…. which is of the Jews…. in which the Samaritans were “once a part” of, that salvation… The one to whom she was with, who is not her husband…. does not represent salvation of the first 5 books…….because "she" was not a Jew. The play on words concerning Jesus the Messiah who was standing right in front of her... represents the one who is not her husband, who was Jesus at the well… who was “not yet” her husband...because He had not yet died for those who were not Jews. (Gentiles) LG Would you care to elaborate and let us know how you came to this conclusion[:D]

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 9:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The 5 husbands are a prophetic reference of the Torah, the first 5 books, speaks of salvation…. which is of the Jews…. in which the Samaritans were “once a part” of, that salvation… The one to whom she was with, who is not her husband…. does not represent salvation of the first 5 books…….because "she" was not a Jew. The play on words concerning Jesus the Messiah who was standing right in front of her... represents the one who is not her husband, who was Jesus at the well… who was “not yet” her husband...because He had not yet died for those who were not Jews. (Gentiles) LG Would you care to elaborate and let us know how you came to this conclusion [:D] Greetings, I heard part of it from a Jewish Rabbi, who is now a Christian who is ministering on worldwide networks, but the rest are just the secrets of the ancients, but I can’t tell anyone, because I don’t want them to hurt themselves... They have to read the Bible for themselves........LOL!! LG

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/17/2008 10:05:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: drk6 In a recent sermon at church, the pastor pointed out that scripture does not support what I have always thought and have always been taught about the woman at the well in John 4. I have always approached this passage believing that she was an immoral woman who has had five husbands and was currently living with another man. But the pastor pointed out that no where in scripture is this presumption supported. She may have had husbands die or abandon her and be living with a kinsman redeemer who won’t or can’t marry her. Does anyone have any other passages that they are aware of, that the common understanding and what is generally taught about a particular passage may not be supported by scripture? Greetings Let’s look at it straight up. The women had 5 Husbands… and the one she is with now….was not her husband, which means they were not married. The word ECHO is the word used for husband in that passage, and if one every heard an ECHO, an ECHO always returns back the same sound or noise or vocal, as it left,….. If it doesn't then there is a big problem... So all were her legitimate husbands, meaning the same, a husband is a husband, The one who she was with, was not her "husband" = fornication. Plain and simple! LG

acknwldgeverygdthing -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 12:10:30 AM)
The thing that I notice--- WOW - what a network this woman must have had! She could tell six different families about Christ!

DaveW -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 6:27:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The one who she was with, was not her "husband" = fornication. Where does it say she was fornicating with him? If that had been the case, given the harshness of the Samaritan society on women, she would have been stoned to death long ago.

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 8:14:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaveW quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The one who she was with, was not her "husband" = fornication. Where does it say she was fornicating with him? If that had been the case, given the harshness of the Samaritan society on women, she would have been stoned to death long ago. Greetings, Good thought Dave.. Can you give me a link... about that, I haven’t taken a look at that type of belief as of yet, but I have heard that a Samaritan were are a mixed gene pool of many other cultures when Jerusalem was trampled under in the past But it is seen that the Samaritans held onto the “covenant” or the promise made to Abraham ….and that was in the distant future, that Abraham or the people of Abraham (Faith) of even mixed breeds, would see the city made without hands, which is witnessed here in Joh 4:25 The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming" ….(who is called Christ). "When He comes, He will tell us all things." The principal in that passage… is illumination. 19 The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Meaning Jesus said to her, "You have well said, 'I have no husband,' 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you “now have” is not your husband; in that you spoke truly." This is her confession…of fornication…. for if she didn’t “have” this man, By conviction …. Jesus wouldn‘t have revealed it, as such. The HS is a gentleman! BUT! Mt 10:34 - Show Context "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. This is the prophecy, First….because Jesus was in still the world, in the flesh, and He had not yet died, He was the epitome of the HS…..afterwards when He sends the HS back to us…The HS reveals Christ, = the word of God… and the HS will not reveal Jesus and give illumination to a believer …based on false confession ….because it is oblivious, the women believed. This is the sword He was speaking of. 32 "Therefore “whoever” confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But “whoever” denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. Now if want to translate this into the world view…. There is no catch 22 in the revelation of the women at the well, as the spirit of Islam (the world) believes, but just a plain and simple denial of them before My Father who is in heaven, so they can believe the lie. To better understand the catch, take a peek at the Hal Lindsey report that was aired on 4/11/08 LINK Loyal Gypsy

Bluethread -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 2:19:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaveW quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy The one who she was with, was not her "husband" = fornication. Where does it say she was fornicating with him? If that had been the case, given the harshness of the Samaritan society on women, she would have been stoned to death long ago. I'm not so sure they enforced Torah then any more than they do today. In fact I have heard it said that, the Sanhedrine that executed more than two people in the lifetime of a Cohen Hagadol was considered a bloody Senhedrine.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 6:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy Greetings, I heard part of it from a Jewish Rabbi, who is now a Christian who is ministering on worldwide networks, but the rest are just the secrets of the ancients, but I can’t tell anyone, because I don’t want them to hurt themselves... They have to read the Bible for themselves........LOL!! LG Well, I think this one takes the cake since I have been on forums the past 2+ years[:D][:D][:D] No offense intended[8\|]

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 8:20:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy Greetings, I heard part of it from a Jewish Rabbi, who is now a Christian who is ministering on worldwide networks, but the rest are just the secrets of the ancients, but I can’t tell anyone, because I don’t want them to hurt themselves... They have to read the Bible for themselves........LOL!! LG Well, I think this one takes the cake since I have been on forums the past 2+ years[:D][:D][:D] No offense intended[8\|] Greetings, WHich one, the Jewish Rabbi who is following Christ? quote: I heard part of it from a Jewish Rabbi, who is now a Christian who is ministering on worldwide networks, That one is real This ones a given..[;)] quote: but the rest are just the secrets of the ancients, but I can’t tell anyone, because I don’t want them to hurt themselves... Psalms 105:8-24 I've already been tested, but the problem is teaching the elders wisdom [:D] LG

lmwal931 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/18/2008 9:54:12 PM)
when you study scripture you begin to understand GOD'S logic. you begin to see a picture of HIS love and truth. i interpret these words "the one she is living with is not her own". he is not her beloved. beloved marriage is forever. not until death does you part but forever. i believe my wife is my beloved. GOD said to JESUS "this is my beloved SON in whom I am well pleased" JESUS certainly is not a criticizer of people. HE is a RESTORER, a ENCOURAGER. and i try to follow. the lady at the well, i call, the first evangelist.

Bluethread -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/21/2008 3:52:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lmwal931 when you study scripture you begin to understand GOD'S logic. you begin to see a picture of HIS love and truth. i interpret these words "the one she is living with is not her own". he is not her beloved. beloved marriage is forever. not until death does you part but forever. i believe my wife is my beloved. GOD said to JESUS "this is my beloved SON in whom I am well pleased" Speaking of reading into Scripture what is not there, this idea of marrage lasting forever is, in my opinion, just an attempt to replace holiness(set appart for a purpose) with romance(catering to ones emotions). Mk12:24 Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Marrage is a symbol of our relationship with Adonai. That is the mystery, our relationship with Adonai, not earthly marrage. It would be nice to live in a relationship where both parties can be trusted to be responsible for their actions. We are the bride of Adonai. but, as Hosea shows us, we can not be trusted. We are often carried away by our emotions. Therefore, Adonai made a covenant with us to help us to remember our responsibilities. As a symbol of this Adonai instituted the covenant of marrage in which we are to accept responsibility for one another and the earthly conseqeunces that might follow. Now we might permit our emotions to determine who we marry, but we can not trust those emotions to sustain us. It is the committment of each party to the covenant that sustains marrage, as it is with Adonai and us.

lmwal931 -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/21/2008 8:15:20 PM)
we will all know one day. i believe this. i can not recant. i will study the verse you selected. i am not dead in CHRIST. i am alive in CHRIST. that is my 1st thought. i believe in the security of the believer. therefore i will never be dead in CHRIST. JESUS is adequate.

deliveredarling -> RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into scripture what's not there.) (4/22/2008 10:57:41 AM)
As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?

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