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stateofgrace -> Beth Moore (2/27/2008 11:21:35 AM)

I've been participating in a Beth Moore bible study in the last few weeks, and there are some things that really sort of bother me. I'm thinking so far that these are stylistic issues, not doctrinal.

For example, her speaking style is overwrought, highly emotional, almost to the point of a televangelist style (IMO). I respond best to teaching that appeals to the brain as well as the emotions.

The second thing that bothers me is that in the workbook, for a particular lesson, we are sent all over scripture taking little snippets - sometimes a few verses together, sometimes a single verse. I really like to look at scripture in detail and more in context, and when you've got 20 references per (daily) lesson that's really difficult. While my "spidey sense" hasn't tingeled yet regarding something that might be "off" I've seen way too many "teachers" use this technique to build a case for something while masking the actual context and meaning of their scriptural references.

I just was wondering what other folks had experienced regarding Moore's studies, and what you thought of them. I had gotten the impression prior to participating that she's pretty highly respected.



p31woman -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 11:41:24 AM)

I love her Bible studies! Do I agree with her on every point? No. But our rabbi's wife, who leads the women's studies, is good about pointing out differences that come up between her view and our congregation's stance, and what I don't agree with, I let go. The studies are too good, IMHO, to get caught up over the little things. For instance, the "Personal Questions" in the workbooks aren't really my thing. I usually skim over those. But I appreciate how in-depth the studies are otherwise-- in The Patriarchs, we spent 10 weeks on just the last half of Genesis. In Stepping Up (which we're currently studying), we're spending the whole time just studying the 15 Psalms of ascent. I love delving into scripture that deeply.

As with any extrabiblical source (book or preacher), use discernment, but I've never gotten the sense that Beth is a woman who is trying to mislead anyone. She digs into the Word humbly and honestly, and encourages women to do the same. I can't tell you how relieved I was the first time I did one of her studies and discovered it was real Bible study, and not fluffy "women's ministry" stuff about homemaking and how to be a good wife. [8|] Her style isn't for everyone, but I do hope you can glean the good beyond that. [:)]



crankius -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 11:47:44 AM)

I am not a Beth Moore fan.

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For example, her speaking style is overwrought, highly emotional, almost to the point of a televangelist style (IMO). I respond best to teaching that appeals to the brain as well as the emotions.


I agree.

I would prefer to hear and read a calm expository of the scriptures.



Lycea -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 11:56:34 AM)

I have done a few of her studies. I think it is a style thing. She is trying to make the message broadly enough based that just about anyone can gain from it. I appreciate her teaching, though, because I have used studies from other sources with the same intent who used very little if any scripture as the basis for their teaching.
If you don't like her style, try something different. If you are in a group study with daily supplements, try choosing just one or two of those scriptures to really dig into on your own. Nothing says everyone has to use the materials in the same way.



Kat_D -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 1:08:44 PM)

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For example, her speaking style is overwrought, highly emotional, almost to the point of a televangelist style (IMO). I respond best to teaching that appeals to the brain as well as the emotions.


I agree and cannot stand to watch her, she is everything I don't like about women's ministry.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 1:19:04 PM)

Is it the fact that she brings emotion into the teaching or that she comes across as emotional?

What would anyone think would be about the right amount of scripture references to look up per day?

Just curious...



stateofgrace -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 2:17:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

Is it the fact that she brings emotion into the teaching or that she comes across as emotional?



IMO it's not simply emotion as much as coming across emotionally overwrought. I'll bet there are some examples on YouTube, I'll look into it tonight.

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What would anyone think would be about the right amount of scripture references to look up per day?



I would prefer to focus on a smaller set of verses in greater context, with perhaps a few references to other verses. Not flipping through my bible to 20 or so separate references!

I was thinking during lunchtime that if a lesson's content was broken up into two or three, with more context discussed for the main bible reference, that would be more what I'd prefer. I found an older thread regarding Moore here and one poster said that while the daily homework was intended to be 45 minutes, sometimes it took them 2 hours because they wanted to go more in depth with the cited verses.



joeshappywife -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 2:20:41 PM)

I have done several of her studies. Some I have liked better than others. I have received teaching in all.
While I am not a highly emotional person, I have learned to be a little more that way from her. I am learning to appreciate the passionate side of Christ more. I know that I will never be as emotional as she is, but my passion for my relationship with Christ and with others has grown.
Many of the studies are topical so that is why she jumps around. I appreciate though that she uses the whole of Scripture to make a point. I don't think I have ever heard her make a point based solely on one verse.
I am doing her Jesus, the One and Only, right now. I was expecting this to be topical and use most of the gospels. I have been pleasantly surprised that is has been a book study of Luke. She uses the other gospels also, but we have been going chapter by chapter through Luke.
Anyway, I couldn't have only a steady diet of her as my sole Bible Study source, but I enjoy her on occassion.



Grace0321 -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 4:34:20 PM)

The first time I saw her, I was a bit taken aback.

But, the more I watch, the more I feel her passion for Jesus Christ! If only more Christians walked with that kind of passion for our Savior and what He is capable of doing in our lives!

Go Beth!!!



Grace-N-Mercy -> RE: Beth Moore (2/27/2008 4:42:41 PM)

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For example, her speaking style is overwrought, highly emotional, almost to the point of a televangelist style (IMO). I respond best to teaching that appeals to the brain as well as the emotions.

She hasn't always been this way. In her first few studies, she was a little less emotional in her speaking style. I haven't preferred her newer style, but I generally don't get to watch the videos.

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The second thing that bothers me is that in the workbook, for a particular lesson, we are sent all over scripture taking little snippets - sometimes a few verses together, sometimes a single verse. I really like to look at scripture in detail and more in context, and when you've got 20 references per (daily) lesson that's really difficult.

This is what I LOVED about her studies. I didn't want to stay in one book or one set of scriptures - I wanted to go on a "treasure hunt" as I call it.



stampinlady -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 9:27:46 AM)

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I would prefer to hear and read a calm expository of the scriptures


Me too. I've read a few of her books and really liked them, but I've seen her on LifeToday with Jim Robbison(sp?) and I don't care for her style.
I've never heard her say anything that I thought was theologically unsound.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 11:29:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crankius


I would prefer to hear and read a calm expository of the scriptures.


And not look up any scriptures?



crankius -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 11:32:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

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ORIGINAL: crankius


I would prefer to hear and read a calm expository of the scriptures.


And not look up any scriptures?


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Yes, of course, I choose to have an expository study of the scriptures without actually looking at them. Obviously.



stateofgrace -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 11:39:43 AM)

I got a really good, in-depth nugget of teaching in the video we saw last night that was digging into the scripture she was talking about.

In addition to all the hand waving, hands on hips, pacing, overdramatization, etc. she started wagging her finger. LOL! I'm almost wondering if the woman is Bipolar and hypomania is triggered when she's doing public speaking.



Lapidoth -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 12:15:31 PM)

If there isn't a lot of entertainment, the vast majority won't listen.

not picking on Beth by herself, but I've noticed that some of the most
perceived deep teaching is really shallow when you really do an inpdepth
study.

I used to watch James Robison every day. But when it became a steady
diet of Beth Moore, I lost all interest in the show.

She truly is popular. Her books are taking over the shelves of the book stores.
That isn't always a good sign, just a sign that she's popular.



p31woman -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 12:19:57 PM)

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I'm almost wondering if the woman is Bipolar and hypomania is triggered when she's doing public speaking.


Since when is getting animated and passionate a sign of mental illness? [sm=aside.gif] I think if a person is going to be that critical of someone's style, it might be best not to watch them.



crankius -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 12:22:49 PM)

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not picking on Beth by herself, but I've noticed that some of the most
perceived deep teaching is really shallow when you really do an inpdepth
study.


Yes, Carl, this is what I've noticed.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 1:16:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crankius

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

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ORIGINAL: crankius


I would prefer to hear and read a calm expository of the scriptures.


And not look up any scriptures?


[sm=aside.gif]

Yes, of course, I choose to have an expository study of the scriptures without actually looking at them. Obviously.

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crankius -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 3:15:46 PM)

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Cherished, I'm sorry to have fun at your expense, but do you know what expository study is?

It would be absolutely impossible to do an expository study of the scriptures without reading them.



stateofgrace -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 3:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: p31woman

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I'm almost wondering if the woman is Bipolar and hypomania is triggered when she's doing public speaking.


Since when is getting animated and passionate a sign of mental illness? [sm=aside.gif] I think if a person is going to be that critical of someone's style, it might be best not to watch them.


I think that there's a difference between "animated" and bursting with nervous energy!



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Beth Moore (2/28/2008 4:11:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crankius

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Cherished, I'm sorry to have fun at your expense, but do you know what expository study is?

It would be absolutely impossible to do an expository study of the scriptures without reading them.


No problem. Yes, I know what an expository study is. I had fog on the brain[sm=icon_smile_faint.gif]



lightshineon -> RE: Beth Moore (3/1/2008 12:01:40 AM)

Thats funny, I just got it too, though I know what expository scriptures is. I must be in the same fog ( lol). Beth Moore is ok. ok is my view.
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

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ORIGINAL: crankius

[sm=Llol.gif]

Cherished, I'm sorry to have fun at your expense, but do you know what expository study is?

It would be absolutely impossible to do an expository study of the scriptures without reading them.


No problem. Yes, I know what an expository study is. I had fog on the brain[sm=icon_smile_faint.gif]



Gloryandgrace -> RE: Beth Moore (3/1/2008 1:52:30 AM)

Put yourself in Beth's place. Once youve become popular you become the target for those who are so bored with their walk in the Lord that posting pot shots at popular speakers is as good as it gets.

If she has actually taught something improper, or has acted in a wicked or godless manner you could warn others of such behavior. But when the overall content of the complaints focus on emotion and gesture it could be nothing more than childishness. What is sin? Senseless fault finding or emotionally charged preaching? Is calm and serene godliness? I have seen the cults and gurus on TV act in such a way. Should I conclude that their behavior is godly because it fits a predisposition in your own mind?

If Beth forgives her fault finders for such petty complaints would your praise her virtue or find fault with her for being lax on sin?

John



Kat_D -> RE: Beth Moore (3/1/2008 2:00:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace

Put yourself in Beth's place. Once youve become popular you become the target for those who are so bored with their walk in the Lord that posting pot shots at popular speakers is as good as it gets.

If she has actually taught something improper, or has acted in a wicked or godless manner you could warn others of such behavior. But when the overall content of the complaints focus on emotion and gesture it could be nothing more than childishness. What is sin? Senseless fault finding or emotionally charged preaching? Is calm and serene godliness? I have seen the cults and gurus on TV act in such a way. Should I conclude that their behavior is godly because it fits a predisposition in your own mind?

If Beth forgives her fault finders for such petty complaints would your praise her virtue or find fault with her for being lax on sin?

John

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I have found nothing wrong in her teaching or her materials. However, her exuberant, over-the-top style puts me off, so I don't like watching/listening to her. That's my prerogative, and I'm not taking a "pot shot" at her, nor is it because I'm bored with my walk or that I think she is sinning. You make a lot of assumptions that are unwarranted. The way she presents herself is just not everyone's cup of tea...that's all!



lightshineon -> RE: Beth Moore (3/1/2008 3:35:40 PM)

NOt bored with my walk. I said she is ok. She does seek the Lords face alot, according to her teachings. She loves to be with him so much, that has never left the back of my mind, if I just thought the rest was just ok, that stuck with me. I could not keep up in my workbook the patriarchs. it went fast, and the little bell that sounded, or music got my speed in writing off gaurd. I was flustered trying to write the right answear in my workbook, on the right line..
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace

Put yourself in Beth's place. Once youve become popular you become the target for those who are so bored with their walk in the Lord that posting pot shots at popular speakers is as good as it gets.

If she has actually taught something improper, or has acted in a wicked or godless manner you could warn others of such behavior. But when the overall content of the complaints focus on emotion and gesture it could be nothing more than childishness. What is sin? Senseless fault finding or emotionally charged preaching? Is calm and serene godliness? I have seen the cults and gurus on TV act in such a way. Should I conclude that their behavior is godly because it fits a predisposition in your own mind?

If Beth forgives her fault finders for such petty complaints would your praise her virtue or find fault with her for being lax on sin?

John



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