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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/5/2008 3:03:01 PM
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but I'm not sure I see the connection between October Sky and Ratatouille? A little enlightenment is requested.
I'm trying to figure it out too since I like both movies.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/5/2008 3:08:02 PM
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I'm not sure I see the connection between October Sky and Ratatouille? A little enlightenment is requested.
Both films are about a father and a son who don't see eye to eye. In October Sky, the father wants his son to work with him in the coal mines; a family trade. In Ratatouille, the father wants his son to stay with the family because he can smell poisoned food. In both cases the fathers wants to keep their sons back, and the son wants to retain his individuality by seeking excellence away from home.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/5/2008 3:27:28 PM
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I thought "Remember the Titans" with Denzel Washington was better as well. I'd also rather watch "Radio" with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Ed Harris and S. Epatha Merekson. Giants was a little too corny, more so, IMO than inspirational.
Radio is another great pic...
Here's a funny thing that just came to mind....Ratatouille's storyline was vaguely similar to that of "October Sky"...another spectacular family movie with Chris Cooper, Laura Dern, etc..etc..
(just "connected the dots" regarding those two movies just the other day....)
Other great "family" movies, that I have thought of over the past day or two, include: Dreamer (Dakota Fanning), The Rookie, The Polar Express (the animation was phenomenal), Racing Stripes, Secondhand Lions, and let's not forget "Jonah" and "Pirates who don't do anything"....
That's all I can think of for now....GREAT family movies that are done VERY VERY well....(Iam sure if I dig around our DVD/Video cabinet, I could come up with more)
Michael Caine and Robert Duvall were great in Lions but I'm not sure I see the connection between October Sky and Ratatouille? A little enlightenment is requested.
In October Sky, the kid was EXPECTED to just go to work in the coal mines, and not really even give much thought to anything else. No questions asked. Of course, God was leading him "elsewhere", and his father thought he was "foolish" to think about doing anything else (and, was likely bitter because he knew that whatever "dreams" he had as a kid were gone....never to return)
In Ratatouille...same situation...here was a rat that was supposed to just "accept" his "lot" in life as a rat (instead of a coal miner). BUT, he had bigger dreams. To be a chef. His father, and other relatives, thought he was strange and odd for not just being "what he was expected to be"....His inspiration wasn't his "teacher", like it was in "October Sky.....but the famous Chef Gusteau, who encouraged everyone by saying "ANYONE can cook!"....and, Remy KNEW he had a "gift" for cooking....and, knew he could succeed at "bigger and better" things than simply being a garbage eating rat...just as the kid in "Sky" knew he was "meant" for bigger and better things in life, as well....
So, there ya go....my master's thesis on similarities between "October Sky" and "Ratatouille"....
With regards to "October Sky", that's my life in a nutshell, as well....and probably that of MANY people.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/5/2008 8:31:17 PM
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I thought "Remember the Titans" with Denzel Washington was better as well. I'd also rather watch "Radio" with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Ed Harris and S. Epatha Merekson. Giants was a little too corny, more so, IMO than inspirational.
Radio is another great pic...
Here's a funny thing that just came to mind....Ratatouille's storyline was vaguely similar to that of "October Sky"...another spectacular family movie with Chris Cooper, Laura Dern, etc..etc..
(just "connected the dots" regarding those two movies just the other day....)
Other great "family" movies, that I have thought of over the past day or two, include: Dreamer (Dakota Fanning), The Rookie, The Polar Express (the animation was phenomenal), Racing Stripes, Secondhand Lions, and let's not forget "Jonah" and "Pirates who don't do anything"....
That's all I can think of for now....GREAT family movies that are done VERY VERY well....(Iam sure if I dig around our DVD/Video cabinet, I could come up with more)
Michael Caine and Robert Duvall were great in Lions but I'm not sure I see the connection between October Sky and Ratatouille? A little enlightenment is requested.
In October Sky, the kid was EXPECTED to just go to work in the coal mines, and not really even give much thought to anything else. No questions asked. Of course, God was leading him "elsewhere", and his father thought he was "foolish" to think about doing anything else (and, was likely bitter because he knew that whatever "dreams" he had as a kid were gone....never to return)
In Ratatouille...same situation...here was a rat that was supposed to just "accept" his "lot" in life as a rat (instead of a coal miner). BUT, he had bigger dreams. To be a chef. His father, and other relatives, thought he was strange and odd for not just being "what he was expected to be"....His inspiration wasn't his "teacher", like it was in "October Sky.....but the famous Chef Gusteau, who encouraged everyone by saying "ANYONE can cook!"....and, Remy KNEW he had a "gift" for cooking....and, knew he could succeed at "bigger and better" things than simply being a garbage eating rat...just as the kid in "Sky" knew he was "meant" for bigger and better things in life, as well....
So, there ya go....my master's thesis on similarities between "October Sky" and "Ratatouille"....
With regards to "October Sky", that's my life in a nutshell, as well....and probably that of MANY people.
Now I see it!  Now I confer the Masters of movies to you. Go forth and multiply more great ideas! What? You thought I was going to mean something else?
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/12/2008 5:47:24 PM
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That being said, I dislike the message that is portrayed. It basically says "love God and everything goes your way. You get a new truck for free, you win the championship game, you get a miracle baby, all because you're a Christian." It reeked of WoF in this regard. You know, God just wants you to be happy and give you stuff. I doubt that was their intent, but it's how it came across to me.
My thoughts exactly. Yes, God can and does work miracles everyday, but this was over the top. What impression would a non-believer have after watching it other than, "If I believe in Jesus everything is going to go my way."? That's unrealistic and not biblical. When hardship strikes them, they will likely fall away from the faith.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/17/2008 7:51:31 AM
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I read this thread with interest, because I love FTG, and because I know there are better made movies out there. I've also seen Flywheel, and while it is not as well-made, it is a better story. I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth.
I hear a lot of people complaining because FTG isn't Hollywood quality, and can't Christians do better? My response is no, we CAN'T. We haven't been making movies as long as the secular world, and we don't have the studios or the money to do it. Since Sherwood productions showed so much improvement between their first and second movies, and showed with their first movie they have the potential to be creative, I can't WAIT for the third. Christian movies are an up and coming industry, and it isn't fair to expect them to be as good as multi-million dollar Hollywood productions. We haven't come that far yet. I think we will, though.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/17/2008 11:56:54 AM
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Actually, Christian movies have been around since the 70's, because I remember being subjected to the torture of them in youth meetings back then.
And yes, there are enough Christians out there to support a Christian movie industry, and there are enough Christians with the money required to bankroll a decent effort....so no, there is no excuse why Christian made films should wallow in mediocrity....
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/17/2008 12:04:23 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Yes, God can and does work miracles everyday, but this was over the top. What impression would a non-believer have after watching it other than, "If I believe in Jesus everything is going to go my way."? That's unrealistic and not biblical. When hardship strikes them, they will likely fall away from the faith.
That's exactly why this movie frustrated me, because I know non-believers who have watched it, and were turned so much more off to Christianity by it. It makes Christians seem like a real selfish breed.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/18/2008 7:02:47 PM
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It's not about being selfish but God making the impossible POSSIBLE. In our modern era with technology and medicine, we have forgotten to believe in a miracle working God. He still works in our day...we just have to be open to it.
The whole message was, "If we win, we give God the glory. If we lose, WE STILL give GOD the glory."
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/19/2008 2:56:45 AM
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The whole message was, "If we win, we give God the glory. If we lose, WE STILL give GOD the glory."
Just because that's what they said in the movie, it doesn't mean that's what was portrayed. . .
Tell me. . . who lost?
No one. Every Christian got their way.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/19/2008 7:18:22 PM
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The whole message was, "If we win, we give God the glory. If we lose, WE STILL give GOD the glory."
Just because that's what they said in the movie, it doesn't mean that's what was portrayed. . .
Tell me. . . who lost?
No one. Every Christian got their way.
The Giants
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/22/2008 9:21:07 AM
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I thought Facing the Giants was a pretty good movie. It was not that well done, and it was sorta predictable, but other than that, I liked it. I also loved how they put one of Third Day's songs in there
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/24/2008 7:34:24 PM
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The whole message was, "If we win, we give God the glory. If we lose, WE STILL give GOD the glory."
Just because that's what they said in the movie, it doesn't mean that's what was portrayed. . .
Tell me. . . who lost?
No one. Every Christian got their way.
The Giants
Ah yes, the "evil" people lost. Apparently because they didn't love Jesus enough to win a football game.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/25/2008 1:11:23 PM
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The whole message was, "If we win, we give God the glory. If we lose, WE STILL give GOD the glory."
Just because that's what they said in the movie, it doesn't mean that's what was portrayed. . .
Tell me. . . who lost?
No one. Every Christian got their way.
The Giants
Ah yes, the "evil" people lost. Apparently because they didn't love Jesus enough to win a football game.
Exactly!  No it's about the underdog....Rocky, Remember the Titans, Hoosiers, etc. but a Romans 8:28ff situation...
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/26/2008 5:00:56 PM
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We love this movie. It does not matter whether or not anyone else likes it. It is suitable for my family and for me. My Mom told me that they are making another one later this year. It will be made by the same people who made Facing the giants. I don't know if it is a sequal or just another movie. Can't wait!!
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/26/2008 7:13:55 PM
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We love this movie. It does not matter whether or not anyone else likes it. It is suitable for my family and for me. My Mom told me that they are making another one later this year. It will be made by the same people who made Facing the giants. I don't know if it is a sequal or just another movie. Can't wait!!
It's already out...about a car dealer or something like that.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/26/2008 11:18:56 PM
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Actually, the car dealer one was called FLYWHEEL and came out a year or two before FACING THE GIANTS. FLYWHEEL is an even more amateurish production.
The Kendrick brothers are currently working on their third film, which will no doubt leave many less discriminating moviegoers in breathless anticipation.
Sorry, it just bugs me to see so many jump on board the mediocrity bandwagon just because it has "Christian" attached to it....
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RE: Facing The Giants - 3/27/2008 6:22:42 PM
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Actually, the car dealer one was called FLYWHEEL and came out a year or two before FACING THE GIANTS. FLYWHEEL is an even more amateurish production.
The Kendrick brothers are currently working on their third film, which will no doubt leave many less discriminating moviegoers in breathless anticipation.
Sorry, it just bugs me to see so many jump on board the mediocrity bandwagon just because it has "Christian" attached to it....
Not all Christian movies are alike. There are some well made ones and some that have good messages like FTG. "Preparing for Rain"...love it!!!
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/3/2008 11:38:32 AM
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I loved Facing the Giants. The message was inspiring and uplifting. I think some of you are being way too nit picky in pointing out faults, but regardless, God's name was praised. The new movie, I believe it is called Firewall will be released in August. Kirk Cameron has a starring role.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/3/2008 4:40:49 PM
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Kirk Cameron has a starring role.
Does anything more need to be said?
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/3/2008 5:00:58 PM
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Kirk Cameron has a starring role.
Does anything more need to be said?
Don't be hatin'.
Kirk Cameron starred in Growing Pains.
I was named after his on-screen younger brother, Ben Sievers.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/4/2008 10:37:32 AM
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I loved Facing the Giants. The message was inspiring and uplifting. I think some of you are being way too nit picky in pointing out faults, but regardless, God's name was praised. The new movie, I believe it is called Firewall will be released in August. Kirk Cameron has a starring role.
I don't mind faults in acting, directing, etc, but want the message to be a accurate. I know they weren't TRYING to portray name-it & claim-it theology, but that's the way it came off. Flywheel was a better movie as far as overall message goes.
The new one is Fireproof and it appears it will have a better message, too.
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/4/2008 4:24:59 PM
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Don't be hatin'.
Kirk Cameron starred in Growing Pains.
I was named after his on-screen younger brother, Ben Sievers.
Oh, c'mon, I don't hate the guy....he seems like a nice enough fellow....unfortunately, his recent career seems to have involved starring in bad Christian movies.....
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RE: Facing The Giants - 4/4/2008 5:12:42 PM
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I loved Facing the Giants. The message was inspiring and uplifting. I think some of you are being way too nit picky in pointing out faults, but regardless, God's name was praised. The new movie, I believe it is called Firewall will be released in August. Kirk Cameron has a starring role.
I don't mind faults in acting, directing, etc, but want the message to be a accurate. I know they weren't TRYING to portray name-it & claim-it theology, but that's the way it came off. Flywheel was a better movie as far as overall message goes.
The new one is Fireproof and it appears it will have a better message, too.
Just watched the "Trailer" for "Fireproof".....yes...good message, Iam sure....but, sitting through yet another movie in which the actors/actresses seem as if they are merely "reading their lines"?....(which I saw plenty of in the brief 2 min./17 sec. preview to the movie)...
I typically see better acting, or at least comparable, from at the "musicals" that our children's choir (grades 1-6) at church have, which put on 2 performances a year......and, the "older" youth dept. (grades 7-12) musicals/productions? definitely better acting....
Will most likely "pass" at the theatre...and wait until I can see it as a "rental".....maybe....
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