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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/20/2008 5:35:32 PM
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torath
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Obama "Beckoning" Felt At Trinity United Church Of Christ, "Submitted Myself To His Will, And Dedicated Myself To Discovering His Truth And Carrying Out His Works." Obama said, "So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life. It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn't suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works."
This is an excerpt from a speech Sen. Obama gave. you can find it and more at http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
I am not saying if he is a born again chrisitan or not but I am asking everyone to educate themselves. I saw alot of posts about things people heard or thought they heard or someone who works with Sen. Obama said something. Make sure to source check on all things.
I personally do not support Sen. Obama but I do not want to see christians jumping to conclussions based on rumors and speculation.
I also am not a fan of some of the standings of his church, their beliefs do not line up with mine, but I believe the best course of action is prayer and belief that God can change everyone.
Thanks All,
T
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/20/2008 5:53:31 PM
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Obama "Beckoning" Felt At Trinity United Church Of Christ, "Submitted Myself To His Will, And Dedicated Myself To Discovering His Truth And Carrying Out His Works." Obama said, "So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life. It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn't suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works."
This is an excerpt from a speech Sen. Obama gave. you can find it and more at http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
I am not saying if he is a born again chrisitan or not but I am asking everyone to educate themselves. I saw alot of posts about things people heard or thought they heard or someone who works with Sen. Obama said something. Make sure to source check on all things.
I personally do not support Sen. Obama but I do not want to see christians jumping to conclussions based on rumors and speculation.
I also am not a fan of some of the standings of his church, their beliefs do not line up with mine, but I believe the best course of action is prayer and belief that God can change everyone.
Thanks All,
T
Does carrying out His works include denying newborns medical care if they accidentally survive abortion? B. Hussein tried to block his state's version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
Wasn't he giving someone else's speech the other day about 'just words'?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/20/2008 9:40:44 PM
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If given the opportunity, would you ask that question of him? Have you read the complete bill and heard his explanation? Or is this just you repeating what some e-mail or snippet said?
And, no, he wasn't 'giving someone else's speech'. He used an excerpt - with express permission - of a friend and colleague - in much the same way as people use the words of Abe Lincoln or MLK. Clearly, you've already made up your mind that he is a villain, though.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/20/2008 10:47:56 PM
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The original question was, "Is Barack Obama a Christian?" Bottom line is that God knows, and anything that embodies "another gospel"(Gal.1:6, 7), thus, our Lord declares it "accursed" (v. 8) Whether it be muslims, buddhists, mormans, jehovah witnesses, etc. It is not the real thing regardless of what those involved in those religions think. What matters is does the person who claims Christianity also claim Jesus Christ the Son of God as their personal Lord and Saviour? It is not about religion, it is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 7:58:30 AM
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Obama is a need to be Christian.When it benefits him,yes he will be a Christian.He was on a tv show awhile ago,speaking on how he strongly opposses churchs who speak against homosexuality.He is pushing hard for gay rights(or so he says).I feel yes they should have a right to get married.Wait don`t react so quick.If they do get married its not God blessing them its man,so why get all mad.Satan is doing his job,why are we?
But for Barack to go attacking the black churchs is wrong.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 10:10:16 AM
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Back to the original question, No I don't think Obama is a christian.
It is not a cloudy issue just compare what he say and what he advocates to the word of God and there is your answer. The obvious is black and white.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 10:55:18 AM
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Ronald Reagan believed that premarital sex and adultery was okay. How did that affect his presidency?
Wow, can you cite any source where Ronald Reagan said that he believed premarital sex and adultery was okay?
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If my Christian values tell me that divorce is wrong, should I never vote for a divorced president?
If this divorced presidential candidate is promoting divorce or advocating easier laws for divorce, then yes you should never vote for him.
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Although I would prefer a candidate to have not sinned, the reality is that only Jesus has lived a sinless life and all of the rest of us all fall short. However, there is a big difference between voting for someone who has sinned and someone who is actively promoting sin. For instance, a biblical position about homosexuality will demonstrate care and compassion for those trapped in that lifestyle, but it will not declare that lifestyle a righteous alternative.
I do believe we do need to weigh the moral failures of a canidate's past and try to understand how likely that could be a reflection of future choices when casting our vote. I personally still believe that the character of our leaders really does affect the choices they make in office.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 3:31:22 PM
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I'm an old woman, at least when I read some of these comments and think back over the 55 years that I have been on this earth and the changes that I have seen, it makes me feel old, or sometimes like I have lived too long...but, then I realize that if the Almighty has allowed my days to be such, He must not be finished with me.....when I was growing up there was a saying.....to help me distinguish between those that I should associate with and those with whom I should not.....if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, sounds like a pig and acts like a pig then, surely it is a pig.....another..... believe nothing you hear and half you see (in other words: check it out for yourself).....there seems to be a lot of justification and defending going on here....we live in a political correct society, and I am so sad to say, the Christian community has bought into the absurdities as well, all the while the enemy is sitting back and laughing his head off at "us"......while it is true, no one knows the heart of another, the Bible says that we don't really know our own hearts, and we are not to judge, or else we will be judged by the same measurement that we judge one another....It does make it very plain that we judge our selves......if we look, act, smell, sound, etc. like the worlds, then we must belong to the world.....today I received an update from FRC Update:
New York Governor Eliot Spitzer (D) is pushing a bill in his state's legislature that seeks to declare abortion a fundamental right for all women. The bill would make abortions virtually immune to state regulation, end conscience protections, and most likely force the numerous Christian-run hospitals in the state to close rather than be forced to violate their faith by carrying out abortions or referring women to abortuaries. The bill also would expand the field of people who can perform abortions while eliminating the possibility of passing restrictions that have wide public support, such as parental notification, informed consent laws, and waiting periods. Governor Spitzer rose to power in New York State with tremendous support from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, mainly due to his adamant support of abortion and his unbridled hostility towards pregnancy care centers. Coincidentally the two leading Democratic nominees for President, Senators Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Barak Obama (R-Ill.) are cosponsors of a similar bill in the U.S. Senate introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Calf.) that, if enacted, would effectively overturn most state laws on abortion. States, like Georgia, that are currently trying to reflect the pro-life majority among their population would be left with little choice but to subsidize abortions with taxpayer dollars if this legislation is passed and signed into national law.
All of this can easily be checked out, and as a matter of public record, confirmed......my question, or I guess more of an observation is.....if we are a follower of Christ, then we have accepted His Word as the authority by which we govern ourselves (Christ was indeed the Word made flesh), there fore what the Word says is as it stands the Law by which we exist......yes, we all fall short, but there are some areas that cannot be compromised......all attempts to make them conform to what we want to believe will not change the Truth as God has established it......and all attempts to justify our actions will not make them right in the sight of God.....if what we say and do does not match the Standard, then we are not reaching the mark, and no attempt to explain, or manipulate, or to compromise will make something what it is not........
whether Obama is a Christian or not is between him and the Lord, but just because he says he is does not make it so......I can say I am 35, slender and look like Cindy Crawford, but if you take a close look at me you will see it isn't so.....I am not judging, I am looking at the facts, I am asking the Holy Spirit to reveal to me things that I do not know, and this I have been shown, something is not right with this man......if he is elected to lead the free world, may God have mercy on us, if he isn't, may God have mercy on us, because, I believe he is not going to go away, and he will continue to mesmerize and persuade hoards of followers with his magical flute (message of hope and change from what to what?) right over the cliffs ofTruth......
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 3:55:59 PM
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It's soooo sad. The honest truth is that no one will lead this country the way it should be lead. You are right the enemy is laughing. Laughing because some of us think that there is a man on this earth to lead us perfectly. No human can lead this country perfectly according to God's word. Jesus is the only ruler that will lead us in truth and in the standards that God has set up for his people.
So you are fooling yourself if you think this world is going down because of a human name Barack Obama. This world is going to go down regardless, because it is written in the word of God.
And you have a lot of lovely, well stated things in your post, but they become void as you continue to read your post and see you past judgement at the end. At any rate any of us can say that another person isn't Christian. We can use the bible to prove it, but the next person can use the bible to say hey look no they are christian. That's not our job. And I included need to stop the foolishness.
Let us get real. None of these politicians are perfect and it's sad that we buy into the real thought that any human on this earth is going to lead us according to God's perfect standard. Some of us don't even understand the standard to its fullest.
One thing I do know is that I already have my president. The one who will lead and guide me in all truth. The one who is in charge regardless of what the world thinks. Solomon and I are on the same page. Proverbs 21. And that President, that King is Jesus Christ/God/H.S.
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I'm an old woman, at least when I read some of these comments and think back over the 55 years that I have been on this earth and the changes that I have seen, it makes me feel old, or sometimes like I have lived too long...but, then I realize that if the Almighty has allowed my days to be such, He must not be finished with me.....when I was growing up there was a saying.....to help me distinguish between those that I should associate with and those with whom I should not.....if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, sounds like a pig and acts like a pig then, surely it is a pig.....another..... believe nothing you hear and half you see (in other words: check it out for yourself).....there seems to be a lot of justification and defending going on here....we live in a political correct society, and I am so sad to say, the Christian community has bought into the absurdities as well, all the while the enemy is sitting back and laughing his head off at "us"......while it is true, no one knows the heart of another, the Bible says that we don't really know our own hearts, and we are not to judge, or else we will be judged by the same measurement that we judge one another....It does make it very plain that we judge our selves......if we look, act, smell, sound, etc. like the worlds, then we must belong to the world.....today I received an update from FRC Update:
New York Governor Eliot Spitzer (D) is pushing a bill in his state's legislature that seeks to declare abortion a fundamental right for all women. The bill would make abortions virtually immune to state regulation, end conscience protections, and most likely force the numerous Christian-run hospitals in the state to close rather than be forced to violate their faith by carrying out abortions or referring women to abortuaries. The bill also would expand the field of people who can perform abortions while eliminating the possibility of passing restrictions that have wide public support, such as parental notification, informed consent laws, and waiting periods. Governor Spitzer rose to power in New York State with tremendous support from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, mainly due to his adamant support of abortion and his unbridled hostility towards pregnancy care centers. Coincidentally the two leading Democratic nominees for President, Senators Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Barak Obama (R-Ill.) are cosponsors of a similar bill in the U.S. Senate introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Calf.) that, if enacted, would effectively overturn most state laws on abortion. States, like Georgia, that are currently trying to reflect the pro-life majority among their population would be left with little choice but to subsidize abortions with taxpayer dollars if this legislation is passed and signed into national law.
All of this can easily be checked out, and as a matter of public record, confirmed......my question, or I guess more of an observation is.....if we are a follower of Christ, then we have accepted His Word as the authority by which we govern ourselves (Christ was indeed the Word made flesh), there fore what the Word says is as it stands the Law by which we exist......yes, we all fall short, but there are some areas that cannot be compromised......all attempts to make them conform to what we want to believe will not change the Truth as God has established it......and all attempts to justify our actions will not make them right in the sight of God.....if what we say and do does not match the Standard, then we are not reaching the mark, and no attempt to explain, or manipulate, or to compromise will make something what it is not........
whether Obama is a Christian or not is between him and the Lord, but just because he says he is does not make it so......I can say I am 35, slender and look like Cindy Crawford, but if you take a close look at me you will see it isn't so.....I am not judging, I am looking at the facts, I am asking the Holy Spirit to reveal to me things that I do not know, and this I have been shown, something is not right with this man......if he is elected to lead the free world, may God have mercy on us, if he isn't, may God have mercy on us, because, I believe he is not going to go away, and he will continue to mesmerize and persuade hoards of followers with his magical flute (message of hope and change from what to what?) right over the cliffs ofTruth......
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 8:13:07 PM
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Ronald Reagan believed that premarital sex and adultery was okay. How did that affect his presidency?
Wow, can you cite any source where Ronald Reagan said that he believed premarital sex and adultery was okay?
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How about the fact that he got Nancy pregnant before they were married and that he committed adultery? Please understand that I'm not holding that against him - I don't think it made a difference in his presidency.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/21/2008 9:01:53 PM
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Ronald Reagan believed that premarital sex and adultery was okay. How did that affect his presidency?
Wow, can you cite any source where Ronald Reagan said that he believed premarital sex and adultery was okay?
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How about the fact that he got Nancy pregnant before they were married and that he committed adultery? Please understand that I'm not holding that against him - I don't think it made a difference in his presidency.
Even if we assume all of the assumption you have made are true, it still is a very big jump to conclude that someone believes that premarital sex and adultery is OK simply because they have engaged in those activities. Paul would have never written Romans chapter 7 if he believed everything he did was OK, simply because he did it! Additionally, as one of the other posters pointed out, Regan may not have even been a Christian when he married Nancy.
Second, I do think the sinful choices we have made in the past always impact the choices we will make in the future. When there has been genuine repentance, we often gain insight and wisdom that allows for better choices in the future, but when we do not acknowledge our past sins it often leads to poor choices in the future. Although we may never know how Regan's presidency was impacted by the choices he made before becoming president, I have no doubt that choices that he made did make a difference in his presidency.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 11:48:46 AM
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I also think that in today's society the word "christian" is thrown around a lot as more of a fashion statement or trend persay than a life actually personifying Christ.
Heh. Where I am there doesn't seem to be anything 'fashionable' or 'trendy' about being a Christian.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 2:45:59 PM
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Reagan wasn't Christian at one point in his life? Are you suggesting that a person can come to Christ in adulthood and still be a good president?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 2:59:38 PM
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Reagan wasn't Christian at one point in his life? Are you suggesting that a person can come to Christ in adulthood and still be a good president?
None of us were Christians at some point in our lives, and yes a person can come to Christ in adulthood and still be a good president. I really can't imagine why anyone would believe differently because the bible is full of examples of people who came to Christ in adulthood and had significant impact on history and those around them i.e. all of the disciples, Paul, James, etc... Why would it be any different today?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 5:57:16 PM
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Ok, does he believe Jesus is the only way? If not then no he is not a Christian. No one can come to the Father except, through the Son. One way Jesus, that is it. If he, or anyone does not believe this then, he has not submitted to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. And if you do not submit to his Lordship then you are no more saved than a pagan. That was the question of this post. He is supposedly a Christian for twenty years and he does not have the basics down. I am not judging his heart, the word of God is. That is the question,not id he is a nice person, or the anti-Christ.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 7:48:51 PM
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Would I vote for him? I would, if I felt an impression from God to do so. But from the beginning...something in my spirit wasn't right about him and that was before I had even researched him. To this day...I don't feel right in my spirit about him but God sets up kings and lays them down. He sets up presidents and lays them down. Only God knows exactly what He his doing, in this nation, yea, even in this world, amen. So children...obey your spirit for He knows best and be led by the Spirit for by this will we know we are the children of God. Romans 8:14. Do what God would have you do...then do it...and nothing else. Doesn't really matter how we "feel" what matters is if we will obey the Lord God of Israel to His glory and for His pleasure.
Be blessed all,
This is exactly the same with me. I feel very, very uneasy about Obama. The man scares me. And I trust the leading of the Holy Spirit within me.
Am I always right? Of course not. But I have rarely felt such a lack of peace about a person as I do about Barack Obama. In my opinion, the man is dangerous....
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 7:51:43 PM
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whether Obama is a Christian or not is between him and the Lord, but just because he says he is does not make it so......I can say I am 35, slender and look like Cindy Crawford, but if you take a close look at me you will see it isn't so.....I am not judging, I am looking at the facts, I am asking the Holy Spirit to reveal to me things that I do not know, and this I have been shown, something is not right with this man......if he is elected to lead the free world, may God have mercy on us, if he isn't, may God have mercy on us, because, I believe he is not going to go away, and he will continue to mesmerize and persuade hoards of followers with his magical flute (message of hope and change from what to what?) right over the cliffs ofTruth......
Great post! I feel the same way! The man is scary!
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 7:52:17 PM
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I believe the only question that needs to be asked is what road is he going to take America down? As voters, we cannot sit around judging him on his religious views, we need to look at the grounds of what has he done as a Senator. Whether a person is a Christian or not, doesn't enter my mind when I go to vote.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 7:57:16 PM
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And you have a lot of lovely, well stated things in your post, but they become void as you continue to read your post and see you past judgement at the end.
She did not pass judgement.
She was extremely careful not to!
In all reality, I think it is we that are being judged for looking closer at his beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, is is a wise thing to do.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 8:05:45 PM
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<blockquote> This is exactly the same with me. I feel very, very uneasy about Obama. The man scares me. And I trust the leading of the Holy Spirit within me. </blockquote>
And no doubt many good and faithful Christian people feel the same way about McCain, and believe that God is leading them to vote for Obama in November. Are you saying that God is leading them astray?
In both cases I suspect it's more political leanings at play than any supernatural nudging from anywhere. And it's an awfully convenient way to prevent any rebuttals. After all, if God told you, then how could you be wrong?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/22/2008 10:36:13 PM
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<blockquote> This is exactly the same with me. I feel very, very uneasy about Obama. The man scares me. And I trust the leading of the Holy Spirit within me. </blockquote>
And no doubt many good and faithful Christian people feel the same way about McCain, and believe that God is leading them to vote for Obama in November. Are you saying that God is leading them astray?
In both cases I suspect it's more political leanings at play than any supernatural nudging from anywhere. And it's an awfully convenient way to prevent any rebuttals. After all, if God told you, then how could you be wrong?
You conveniently left out a hugh part of my post, did you not?
I said...."Am I always right? Of course not. But I have rarely felt such a lack of peace about a person as I do about Barack Obama. In my opinion, the man is dangerous...."
You chose to leave out that part of my post, did you not?
Why did you leave out that part of my post?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/23/2008 10:25:33 AM
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Cherished, what is it exactly that gives you this unease about Obama? Do you know where it's coming from? Perhaps you should investigate to see if your unease is legitimate or just unfounded fear?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/23/2008 10:49:22 AM
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And you have a lot of lovely, well stated things in your post, but they become void as you continue to read your post and see you past judgement at the end.
She did not pass judgement.
She was extremely careful not to!
In all reality, I think it is we that are being judged for looking closer at his beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, is is a wise thing to do.
I believe she did. Point Blank. As she said if you look really closely she you will see some things that aren't right and she concluded it was facts to prove he was not Christian. Ok that's fine.
Well I've taken her careful instructions and done the same thing in determining judgement was passed. I looked and read closely her post I saw some things and concluded they were fact and proved that she had passed judgement.
It's a wrap.
< Message edited by RightlyDividingWordOfTruth -- 2/23/2008 10:56:21 AM >
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 2/23/2008 12:36:53 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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Cherished, what is it exactly that gives you this unease about Obama? Do you know where it's coming from? Perhaps you should investigate to see if your unease is legitimate or just unfounded fear?
It is coming from the Holy Spirit. And from what I have read and seen.
The Holy Spirit, for 30 years has been faithful, faithful, faithful to warn me and keep me from false doctrines and teachers.
When He gives me an unquiet spirit about someone I trust Him. I believe He is the one giving me the unease and, also, others that have posted on this thread.
If we are judged and condemned for that, so be it. It will not be the first time.
I trust God and His leadings. I'm sorry if that sounds arrogant, it is not meant to be. I've had to lean on Him all my Christian life and He has never failed me....
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