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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 5:27:27 PM
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lightshineon
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Well if someone has had an abortion, or gay tendicies, or bisexul kin folk, that does not make them a hypocrite of self-rightouess, just people who know what destruction of lives looks like. Even the rich man wanted to warn his brothers of Hell ( hades), so they would not go there. Love does not rejoice in unrightouness, but in truth. 1 Corinthians 13
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Just wondering about the self righteous among this forum. How many of you , or those close to you have had abortions yourselves? How many of you harbor secret gay tendencies? How many of you perhaps have gay or bi-sexual family members that you distance yourselves from? I have found those that preach the most, sometimes are guilty of the same sins that they vehemently preach against. Are these sins any worse than pedophilia, domestic violence , rape or murder?Criminals are committing these other sins everyday while some Christians see homosexuality and abortion as the only issues to involve themselves with. Greed is another sin that should be addressed. We are heading for a recession because we have broken the bank with our obsession of acquiring "things" . I wish that more preachers would harp on these other sins also. While people are concerning themselves with homosexuality and abortion our country is going down the tubes with these other issues. I have had an abortion myself. My next door neighbors are a man and a woman who are a married gay couple with their own "friends". They have never given me any problems in 27 years.
I would much rather live next door to law abiding gays than to discover that my next door neighbor is a heterosexual pedophile,rapist or murderer.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 5:35:45 PM
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1. I don't go to church any more. I grew weary of hypocrites and the cliquish behaviour that made me an outcast everywhere I went.
You know if you are "Made and outcase EVERYWHERE you go" maybe a little self-examination might be in order.
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You know hoss, you're very close to crossing a line you really shouldn't. All I ever wanted was friendship and what I got was hypocrisy and ostracism. My family didn't have money so my family didn't matter. Of course the very idea that church people could be ones who are at fault is completely beyond the pale and not even remotely possible.
Kinda like how it's not even remotely possible that Barack Obama and his pastor were judged unfairly. Because we know that the media NEVER takes quotes out of context and NEVER lies to get a good story.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 5:40:54 PM
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Hey Pink, listen the church itself is the bride of Christ, so do you not think us faithful church goers get a little offended being callrd hypocrites, by you all the time. Do you know many of us give it all we got we are serving, as commanded. The gates of Hell will not prevail against the church. We are told in Hebrews, do not get in the habit of not assembiling togather. Do you wonder if it offends Christ calling his body these names. I have not always been treated nice, but, God made it right. relationships take work, even if we do not care for people. So that is why RC said this, to you maybe.
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1. I don't go to church any more. I grew weary of hypocrites and the cliquish behaviour that made me an outcast everywhere I went.
You know if you are "Made and outcase EVERYWHERE you go" maybe a little self-examination might be in order.
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You know hoss, you're very close to crossing a line you really shouldn't. All I ever wanted was friendship and what I got was hypocrisy and ostracism. My family didn't have money so my family didn't matter. Of course the very idea that church people could be ones who are at fault is completely beyond the pale and not even remotely possible.
Kinda like how it's not even remotely possible that Barack Obama and his pastor were judged unfairly. Because we know that the media NEVER takes quotes out of context and NEVER lies to get a good story.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 7:06:31 PM
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1. I don't go to church any more. I grew weary of hypocrites and the cliquish behaviour that made me an outcast everywhere I went.
These Churches are so jacked up, I don't blame you. You hear the same sermons over and over.
I rarely hear about how America is this Church.
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
That what cover how many Churches and their congregations?
Going to church is Not a requirement of Salvation or God's Grace or being saved.
Keep trying to find a good church they are there, far and few between the bad ones. But nevertheless, there.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 7:09:34 PM
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Well, hello  I go, because In Hebrews we are commanded too. Jesus is my hero, that I will serve, as his hands and feet through the body of Christ. He calls us his bride, and maybe thier are bad people, the wheat and tares, but i know lots of wheat, and ignore, yet love the tares. Hypocrites, do not have to be Christians, a church body whatever. We all are sinner and saint at times, but the saints care, if they are truly saints. 
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 7:26:01 PM
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Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building.
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 7:39:41 PM
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True, but Hebrews (need my bible )tells, us not to forsake the assembling togather, as become the habit of some. I will look up chp, verse. One reason is to encourage one another, the other thing is that it tells us we the body make up one body in corinthians, I believe (lol). I believe you are refering to in the scripture, that the holy Spirit dwells in us, not in tabernacles, or we do not need a high priest to sacrifice for us. Without unity, we are so vaunarable to the devil. In numbers we have unity, very, very importand, if we stick togather we live, if not we die. No not necessary for salvation, nethier is baptism, but it is obdience which brings blessing and fruit. Where you been anyway MS. Tracy? have missed you. 
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 9:46:25 PM
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Light,
Christians HAVE got to stick together, the world is getting darker.
Between the Oprahs, Rev. Wrights, TBN, we HAVE to stick together.
Your right we should come together. But I can see not wanting to go to churches like those mentioned.
I missed you guys also. April is always busy for me. It's my bday, my twins bday and wedding anniversary!
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/25/2008 11:24:15 PM
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/26/2008 9:31:44 PM
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Is Barack Obama a Christian?
Eternally who knows... Temporally? Let’s just say I wouldn't copy his answers on test regarding simple biblical truths...
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/26/2008 11:18:06 PM
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That is a wise thing you have said.
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Is Barack Obama a Christian?
Eternally who knows... Temporally? Let’s just say I wouldn't copy his answers on test regarding simple biblical truths...
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 4:34:33 PM
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It is over for Obama. He mind as well just go back to the senate. He will not win the nomination now....
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 4:59:52 PM
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Destroyed by a kiss from Judas.
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It is over for Obama. He mind as well just go back to the senate. He will not win the nomination now....
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 5:58:31 PM
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Destroyed by a kiss from Judas.
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It is over for Obama. He mind as well just go back to the senate. He will not win the nomination now....
That is so true. The whole thing is unbelievable (almost). Hey! Did you get your tomato plants?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 6:37:35 PM
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Yes on both points. I really think Wright is so ate up with hate, he reminds me of my brother, who hates America.
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Destroyed by a kiss from Judas.
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It is over for Obama. He mind as well just go back to the senate. He will not win the nomination now....
That is so true. The whole thing is unbelievable (almost). Hey! Did you get your tomato plants?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 6:57:10 PM
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Yes on both points. I really think Wright is so ate up with hate, he reminds me of my brother, who hates America.
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It is over for Obama. He mind as well just go back to the senate. He will not win the nomination now....
That is so true. The whole thing is unbelievable (almost). Hey! Did you get your tomato plants?
I don't think it's over for Obama by a long shot. Is it harder? Absolutely. However he still has the lead in delegates. The only way Hillar Clinton has more is if you count Florida AND Michigan (which all delegates signed a pledged not to do) and only if you don't give the uncomitted vote to Obama.
I think the situation with Wright has hit the boiling point. Obama gave a speach today about it in which he did disown the firey pastor. I can't say I blame him to be honest. Ending a twenty year friendship is a devastating thing to go through. It's something I have experience with and I understand the hurt at being betrayed like Obama was.
I find it odd, and slightly troubling, that professing Christians are crowing over this turn of events. That's not the kind of attitude I'd expect from followers of Christ.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 7:20:41 PM
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I find it odd, and slightly troubling, that professing Christians are crowing over this turn of events. That's not the kind of attitude I'd expect from followers of Christ.
Not crowing over it. I just made a statement. My sister was not crowing over it, either.
It seems whenever someone disagrees with you that you have a habit of turning it around and indicating that we are not good Christians. Why do you do that?
I am sorry your hero won't make it to the Whitehouse. It is over for him.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 7:30:46 PM
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My question is why would anyone want to vote for someone this stupid? To attend this Church for 22 years and then claim to have not listened after everything from marriage, dunking the kids and naming one of your books in honor to him.
This just proves more to me that liberalism is a mental disorder
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 7:36:31 PM
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I find it odd, and slightly troubling, that professing Christians are crowing over this turn of events. That's not the kind of attitude I'd expect from followers of Christ.
Not crowing over it. I just made a statement. My sister was not crowing over it, either.
It seems whenever someone disagrees with you that you have a habit of turning it around and indicating that we are not good Christians. Why do you do that?
I am sorry your hero won't make it to the Whitehouse. It is over for him.
Well that's mature.
I'm not saying anyone here isn't a good Christian. I said that crowing over someone's hurt isn't right and it's not the kind of thing I'd expect from Christians. I'm seeing that kind of behaviour from commentators that profess to be Christians, so I'm entitled to comment on that and how I think it's wrong.
And so you know Obama's not even close to being my hero. However he does have both the popular vote AND the lead in delegates. If you were to deny him the win that he's rightfully won then you're effectively saying that you don't believe that the will of the people should matter at all, and that all the money spent so far has been flushed down the toilet.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 7:36:37 PM
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My question is why would anyone want to vote for someone this stupid? To attend this Church for 22 years and then claim to have not listened after everything from marriage, dunking the kids and naming one of your books in honor to him.
Exactly. I think most Americans are smarter than that  The whole thing is actually tragic but maybe it will be a wake-up call for some to examine closer where someone is coming from instead of being swooned by oratory skills.....
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 7:58:00 PM
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Pink, I said and Cherished said is truth, unless obama can perform a miracle, he is over with. Too black for whites and to white for blacks. It is bad his friend, betrayed him, really it is, and quit your judging us saying "we are crowing", you do not know everything, please believe that about yourself ( called humility) a very good virtue. BTW, would not have voted for BO, but being loyal is important to me ( another virtue), so I think wright is a bad man for betraying his friend.
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My question is why would anyone want to vote for someone this stupid? To attend this Church for 22 years and then claim to have not listened after everything from marriage, dunking the kids and naming one of your books in honor to him.
Exactly. I think most Americans are smarter than that The whole thing is actually tragic but maybe it will be a wake-up call for some to examine closer where someone is coming from instead of being swooned by oratory skills.....
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 8:07:19 PM
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Well that's mature.
Please stick to the issues and stop judging my character, Christian or otherwise.
That is un-called for and totally unnecessary.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 8:09:16 PM
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Pink, I said and Cherished said is truth, unless obama can perform a miracle, he is over with. Too black for whites and to white for blacks. It is bad his friend, betrayed him, really it is, and quit your judging us saying "we are crowing", you do not know everything, please believe that about yourself ( called humility) a very good virtue. BTW, would not have voted for BO, but being loyal is important to me ( another virtue), so I think wright is a bad man for betraying his friend.
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My question is why would anyone want to vote for someone this stupid? To attend this Church for 22 years and then claim to have not listened after everything from marriage, dunking the kids and naming one of your books in honor to him.
Exactly. I think most Americans are smarter than that The whole thing is actually tragic but maybe it will be a wake-up call for some to examine closer where someone is coming from instead of being swooned by oratory skills.....
I gladdly admit that I don't know everything. I do know language though and I certainly understand numbers. Saying it's over for Obama is wishful thinking. He still has both the popular vote and the lead in delegates. You can't deny that, it's a fact. Hillary only has the lead if, and only IF, you add in the numbers from Florida and Michigan (which, again, both candidates signed pledges not to do) and then only if you don't give the uncommitted vote to Obama. If you do give him those votes from Michigan then he's still in the lead. It's numbers. He's got the votes and Hillary doesn't. If that win is taken from him by the Clintons then we should never hold another primary ever again. They won't matter anymore after that and they'd be shown to just be a huge waste of money.
Let me reiterate that the people crowing over this are many of the conservative commentators, and there are a lot of them who profess to to be Christians. People who crow about it are not acting like Christians and I have to say something about it.
It's not stupid to miss things in long term friendships. Many times people willingly ignore the bad aspects of a friend's personality in order to keep that friendship.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 11:22:16 PM
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Pink, I do not crow,nor does Cherish, are you saying we are old crows? I said, I felt for Obama, I do value loyalty, and Wrights bitterness, against Obama is just telling of wrights bitterness, some of you called us rasict, and ignorant for.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 4/29/2008 11:35:33 PM
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Pink, I do not crow,nor does Cherish, are you saying we are old crows? I said, I felt for Obama, I do value loyalty, and Wrights bitterness, against Obama is just telling of wrights bitterness, some of you called us rasict, and ignorant for.
Do you consider yourself a conservative commentator? Because I'm pretty sure that I've said two times now that it's those people (many of whom profess to be Christians) that are crowing about the recent events.
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