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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 2/23/2008 5:09:50 PM
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Yes, my point at looking at it was really just because I've seen cases where something biological was wrong, they "fixed" it through hormone replacement and the person no longer had SSA. Biological things do happen.
If attraction is in the mind, how can we "fix it" through biological means?
Your brain is biological just like the rest of the body.
If the brain chemistry is out of whack, your mind may also be. Just like the examples I've given about schizophrenics and dopaminergic systems in the brain (that, as far as I know, is treated with typical and atypical APD's among other things). Your reality may not be like it's supposed to be because your brain isn't right. All the schizo's I know (personally) think that these destructive voices they hear are real and telling them the correct things to do...so they attempt to do them. That's their reality..that's the input their minds get from their brains-- because their brains are unwell. I understand there are plenty of illnesses of the mind that are this way...that was just an example. I don't think of homosexuality is a mental illness, but I think that SSA can be caused by organic imbalance in the brain. A sick brain can make a sick mind. They both reside in the same place. (And by sick, I mean mostly "not normal.")
I'm not sure if that's why homosexuality used to be in the DSM (not sure if they thought it could be an organic problem). Biological means may help correct this, depending on if the person has a chemical problem to begin with.
In regards to biolgical aspects being discussed, as far as spirituality is concerned, I see it as mental illness. For example, I know plenty of Christians (and non-Christians) think that hearing voices and such comes from demons, when they can come from organic problems and brain tumors (and I'm sure other things). They can come directly from chemical problems in the brain. Of course there will always be those who think it's all Satan and demons, but there are those who realize that these people may have a problem that is fixable. I see this the same way-- in that SSA can have organic roots. If you think it's all a "choice" and the Devil or whatnot, that's okay. But not everyone thinks that way. I get it.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 2/24/2008 7:49:40 PM
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If the brain chemistry is out of whack, your mind may also be. Just like the examples I've given about schizophrenics and dopaminergic systems in the brain (that, as far as I know, is treated with typical and atypical APD's among other things). Your reality may not be like it's supposed to be because your brain isn't right. All the schizo's I know (personally) think that these destructive voices they hear are real and telling them the correct things to do...so they attempt to do them. That's their reality..that's the input their minds get from their brains-- because their brains are unwell. I understand there are plenty of illnesses of the mind that are this way...that was just an example. I don't think of homosexuality is a mental illness, but I think that SSA can be caused by organic imbalance in the brain. A sick brain can make a sick mind. They both reside in the same place. (And by sick, I mean mostly "not normal.")
Equating schizophrenia and other chemical disorders with homosexuality is likely to really anger homomsexuals. Especially because homosexuality has been removed from the DSM. While I think I understand what you are trying to get at, having worked with people of all sorts (even a number of schizophrenics) when it comes to arousal or, as this thread has indicated, sexual attraction the mind is something that can be controlled. As I noted in my previous post regarding a woman other than my wife that I find sexually attractive, our thoughts can be controlled so that we do not engage in behavior that stems from thoughts. Even people with severe organic imbalances can learn to control their thinking so that they don't engage in certain behaviors. If some are unable to control those thoughts, then perhaps they need to be placed in a secure facility to protect others.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 2/25/2008 2:13:39 AM
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Homophilia is a sin an immorality an abomination before the eyes of God, Scripture is very clear on that.
All Real Christians should oppose homophilia and all pro-homophile legislation!!
We should all demand the criminalization of homophilia from our leaders!!
The homocrats and their coddlers have been pushing the world away from Christianity with regards to homophilia for the past century or so.
It is time for Christians to push the world back towards Christianity, towards the Biblical teaching against homophilia!!
Homophilia must be criminalized to stop the spread of the homophile agenda.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 2/25/2008 6:21:05 PM
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Homophilia is a sin an immorality an abomination before the eyes of God, Scripture is very clear on that.
All Real Christians should oppose homophilia and all pro-homophile legislation!!
We should all demand the criminalization of homophilia from our leaders!!
The homocrats and their coddlers have been pushing the world away from Christianity with regards to homophilia for the past century or so.
It is time for Christians to push the world back towards Christianity, towards the Biblical teaching against homophilia!!
Homophilia must be criminalized to stop the spread of the homophile agenda.
Wow! I hope you're a troll, Silvername. Sure, legislate the problem away. Take us back into the dark times of history. Sure, force people to believe in Christ just like the Taliban forces people to worship Allah. Your message sounds Orewellian. Lets recruit officers for the thought police.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 2/26/2008 9:21:30 AM
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2008 4:21:47 PM
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ok let me first saying that its not me lol. no but i honestly want to know that is it ok for a gay/lesbian to be a leader over the church like over the choir or youth leader, etc. (Not pastor) or even minister? Me personally I don't think its ok because God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. but honestly i would like to have some feedback from you. Oh and i recently went to this church to visit one sunday night and there were two gay men sitting next to eachother like with one arm around the other. Like they were married. do you think that one of the leaders should've seperated them OR said something about that??? Please reply back because i would really like to know
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2008 4:49:41 PM
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SILVERNAME
Homophilia is a sin an immorality an abomination before the eyes of God, Scripture is very clear on that.
All Real Christians should oppose homophilia and all pro-homophile legislation!!
We should all demand the criminalization of homophilia from our leaders!!
The homocrats and their coddlers have been pushing the world away from Christianity with regards to homophilia for the past century or so.
It is time for Christians to push the world back towards Christianity, towards the Biblical teaching against homophilia!!
Homophilia must be criminalized to stop the spread of the homophile agenda.
Lev11:10-11
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Should lobster be outlawed? This is not a problem for me because I do not advvocate for either. What interests me is that we believe, if a man is sexually aroused by a dog, we should change the way he thinks and not just allow him to have a relationship, let alone marry a dog. But, if a man is sexually aroused by another man, some believe that such a relationship is acceptable.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2008 6:42:56 PM
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Sin shold never be acceptable in the Church>
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/19/2008 5:32:16 PM
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Wow! I hope you're a troll, Silvername. Sure, legislate the problem away. Take us back into the dark times of history.
Why not outlaw homosexuality?
We outlaw other sins, such as pedophelia, rape, murder. What makes homosexuality different?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/19/2008 5:48:14 PM
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Strange world we live in...
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Wow! I hope you're a troll, Silvername. Sure, legislate the problem away. Take us back into the dark times of history.
Why not outlaw homosexuality?
We outlaw other sins, such as pedophelia, rape, murder. What makes homosexuality different?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 2:51:56 AM
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Wow! I hope you're a troll, Silvername. Sure, legislate the problem away. Take us back into the dark times of history.
Why not outlaw homosexuality?
We outlaw other sins, such as pedophelia, rape, murder. What makes homosexuality different?
Ok. I have to say something here because though homosexuality is a sin it is wildly different from the crimes you've brought up. Typically homosexuality is between consenting adults so it's not even close to rape. I'm not even going to dignify a response to the other two.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/20/2008 3:24:05 AM
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Why not outlaw homosexuality?
We outlaw other sins, such as pedophelia, rape, murder. What makes homosexuality different?
Maybe, but on the other hand, I could just as easily support the legalization of homosexuality on the grounds that we don't outlaw other sins.
In our society we can violate most of the Ten Commandments with complete legal impunity: we can have other gods and idols, we can misuse the name of the Lord, we can violate the Sabbath, we can dishonour our parents, and we can covet our neighbour's possessions. The legal status of adultery is fairly weak in many places, and we can even lie, except in court and under oath. The only two of the Ten Commandments that are fundamentally criminalized in our society are theft and murder.
Fortunately, we don't need to look to the law of the land to determine what is right.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 12:40:29 AM
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bravo and well said, fiat_lux.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 3:19:32 PM
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I am 15 years old and ever since I was extreamly young I have known I was bi-sexual.. Some posts on this thread have deeply upset me, a child.. And unfortunately this is the case in most places throughout the world.. Some children who feel they might be homosexuals are scared to speak out, sometimes become depressed, and in extreme cases even commit suicide. Why cant god accept homosexuality? And why can't most people accept it? I was spat at in school, kicked and punched, all because of something I cant control.. I was made to feel like I was a mistake.. Yet inside it felt right, and it still does.. How do you guys know that being homosexual is a choice if your not homosexual yourself? You don't understand the feelings, the emotions, and the emotionally torture we get.. Sure the law might accept homosexuality.. But about 90% of people don't..
I was brought up by an amazing family, I had a great childhood.. Homosexuality was not pushed onto me, neither did I choose to like both males and females..
Why do people not accept homosexuality when it does not effect them? What two consenting adults do in a bedroom should be there business and should not effect the lives of anyone else.. Parents who disown there children for being homosexual's should be ashamed! We are not freaks, we are not mistakes... WE are human beings just like you!
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 4:11:07 PM
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I am 15 years old and ever since I was extreamly young I have known I was bi-sexual.. Some posts on this thread have deeply upset me, a child.. And unfortunately this is the case in most places throughout the world.. Some children who feel they might be homosexuals are scared to speak out, sometimes become depressed, and in extreme cases even commit suicide. Why cant god accept homosexuality? And why can't most people accept it? I was spat at in school, kicked and punched, all because of something I cant control.. I was made to feel like I was a mistake.. Yet inside it felt right, and it still does.. How do you guys know that being homosexual is a choice if your not homosexual yourself? You don't understand the feelings, the emotions, and the emotionally torture we get.. Sure the law might accept homosexuality.. But about 90% of people don't..
I was brought up by an amazing family, I had a great childhood.. Homosexuality was not pushed onto me, neither did I choose to like both males and females..
Why do people not accept homosexuality when it does not effect them? What two consenting adults do in a bedroom should be there business and should not effect the lives of anyone else.. Parents who disown there children for being homosexual's should be ashamed! We are not freaks, we are not mistakes... WE are human beings just like you!
At just what age (you stated very young) did you decide that you wanted to have sex with boys and girls.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 11:21:37 PM
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At just what age (you stated very young) did you decide that you wanted to have sex with boys and girls.
Who you find attractive is something you realize or you discover. It is not something you decide.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 11:25:06 PM
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At just what age (you stated very young) did you decide that you wanted to have sex with boys and girls.
Who you find attractive is something you realize or you discover. It is not something you decide.
And just how does one discover or realize this?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 1:31:07 AM
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Who you find attractive is something you realize or you discover. It is not something you decide.
One of my (gay) friends says that when he was very little he was attracted to other males. We went to a very conservative Christian school together, and he pretended to be straight and attempted to "make" himself straight by force over the years, but he came out of the closet when he was in high school.
Thinking back on it, I hear many gay people, if not all of them, say these feelings started from a very young age. An age before they knew what gay/homosexual was... and before they knew what sexuality was. I just assume they mean that, in the same way I (as a female) was attracted to males (yes, even at that age), they were attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 9:41:34 AM
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Lets let sunshimesmile answer RC's question.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 12:43:27 PM
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One of my (gay) friends says that when he was very little he was attracted to other males. We went to a very conservative Christian school together, and he pretended to be straight and attempted to "make" himself straight by force over the years, but he came out of the closet when he was in high school.
Thinking back on it, I hear many gay people, if not all of them, say these feelings started from a very young age. An age before they knew what gay/homosexual was... and before they knew what sexuality was. I just assume they mean that, in the same way I (as a female) was attracted to males (yes, even at that age), they were attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite.
It's interesting; the conversations I had with my homosexual roomate in college reinforced a lot of things I had heard about the development of homosexuality, and many conversations I have had since have further confirmed the experiences he shared.
He had an emotionally distant father whose primary interactions with his sons was to be exceedingly harsh, and constantly trying to make it so they weren't 'sissies', the slightest evidence of which was pointed out and mocked.
He had a emotionally overbearing mother to whom he sought refuge from his father and who smothered him and attempted to discourage those aspects in him which she saw as unpleasantly masculine.
And he had an older brother, who once he had a sexual experience with a man he was drawn to for affection, began to introduce his younger brother to homosexual aquaintances, who eventually drew him into their lifestyle.
Such experiences began quite early, and gave in his mind the impression of having 'always' been attracted to men.
This may not be a typical scenario, but it seems to be more common than many will admit.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 12:52:39 PM
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I am 15 years old and ever since I was extreamly young I have known I was bi-sexual.. Some posts on this thread have deeply upset me, a child.. And unfortunately this is the case in most places throughout the world.. Some children who feel they might be homosexuals are scared to speak out, sometimes become depressed, and in extreme cases even commit suicide. Why cant god accept homosexuality? And why can't most people accept it? I was spat at in school, kicked and punched, all because of something I cant control.. I was made to feel like I was a mistake.. Yet inside it felt right, and it still does.. How do you guys know that being homosexual is a choice if your not homosexual yourself? You don't understand the feelings, the emotions, and the emotionally torture we get.. Sure the law might accept homosexuality.. But about 90% of people don't..
I was brought up by an amazing family, I had a great childhood.. Homosexuality was not pushed onto me, neither did I choose to like both males and females..
Why do people not accept homosexuality when it does not effect them? What two consenting adults do in a bedroom should be there business and should not effect the lives of anyone else.. Parents who disown there children for being homosexual's should be ashamed! We are not freaks, we are not mistakes... WE are human beings just like you!
At just what age (you stated very young) did you decide that you wanted to have sex with boys and girls.
Thanks
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You, like many other people.. Misunderstand..
Being a homosexual or bi-sexual is not all about "having sex" You people seem to be obsessed with the sexual side of things...
I was about 6 years old when I first become emotionally attracted to another male, at that time I felt like it was wrong because all the other little boys liked girls.. And I felt like I was different.. I then discovered sexuality's when I was about 13 years old, and thats when I knew I was bi-sexual.. I also discovered that it was NOT wrong, if I myself accepted it.
I still am only 15, so I would like it if your questions where less arrogant.
Thank you.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 1:24:47 PM
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You, like many other people.. Misunderstand..
Being a homosexual or bi-sexual is not all about "having sex" You people seem to be obsessed with the sexual side of things...
I was about 6 years old when I first become emotionally attracted to another male, at that time I felt like it was wrong because all the other little boys liked girls.. And I felt like I was different.. I then discovered sexuality's when I was about 13 years old, and thats when I knew I was bi-sexual.. I also discovered that it was NOT wrong, if I myself accepted it.
I still am only 15, so I would like it if your questions where less arrogant.
Well it has been my experience that six year old boys do not like girls, they like other boys and think girls are "Yuk".
All the way up to Jr. High, boys run in packs, walk around with their arms around each other's shoulders and hang out togetherr. Then somewhere between jr. high and mid high school the attraction of girls leaves the yuk factor and as puberty enters the girls seem a lot better choice.
and by the way this thread is about 'HomoSEXUALITY", not friendly associations.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 1:36:26 PM
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You don't understand..
When I was 6, I liked boys and girls, now I'm 15, 9 years later.. I still like boys and girls.. Nothing has changed, except now Im old enough to understand.
You are not a homosexual, so you do NOT understand.. You seem very narrow minded though.
If god does not welcome me into his heaven, for something that I am EXTREAMLY proud of, then I will walk into the gates of hell without a disagreement, or a second word.
I am proud of what I am, and you christians always see sexuality as a main factor.. What about all the other extreamly horrible things that happen in the world, that effect other people.. Homosexuality does not effect anyone.. Starvation and murder effect people.. But I dont see anti-murder or anti- starvation marches..
If you want to think homosexuality is wrong because some people wrote a book that said it was wrong thousands of years ago, you carry on thinking that.. But personally I am a real human.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 1:47:26 PM
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 1:47:54 PM
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You don't understand..
When I was 6, I liked boys and girls, now I'm 15, 9 years later.. I still like boys and girls.. Nothing has changed, except now Im old enough to understand.
You are not a homosexual, so you do NOT understand.. You seem very narrow minded though.
If god does not welcome me into his heaven, for something that I am EXTREAMLY proud of, then I will walk into the gates of hell without a disagreement, or a second word.
I am proud of what I am, and you christians always see sexuality as a main factor.. What about all the other extreamly horrible things that happen in the world, that effect other people.. Homosexuality does not effect anyone.. Starvation and murder effect people.. But I dont see anti-murder or anti- starvation marches..
I don't think Christians "see sexuality as a main factor", they see sexuality as the factor that differentiates a close friendship between people of the same gender, from a sexual relationship between people of the same gender. One is acceptable to God, one, is not, whatever one's inate motivations.
And it's not a matter of comparing 'what's worse', it's a matter of what is right to begin with. A shoplifter does less damage than a serial kiler, but that doesn't make shoplifting acceptable.
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If you want to think homosexuality is wrong because some people wrote a book that said it was wrong thousands of years ago, you carry on thinking that.. But personally I am a real human.
And if you want to go on thinking that homosexuality is right because you happen to have feelings for someone of the same gender, that is your perogative; but personally I am concerned about whether my behavior is right, not whether I happen to enjoy it.
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