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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 9:29:37 PM
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Kath
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Its also my opinion that these differences we are having is a lot more to do with gender and how each gender percieves our Lord....or are an emotion idol.
I don't think so. These pictures are just trying to play on our emotions and I don't like it.
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I see a hollowness in the eyes in this picture which is uncharacteristic of how I believe He drew men to Himself.
I agree.
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I do not believe that Jesus would want us to dwell on His outer shell.
Again, I agree. If I were to think about how he would look it would be more like what Tricia posted in her thread here but I honestly do not dwell about his looks. Apparently God didn't think so either since there isn't much about what He looked like in the Bible.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 9:40:42 PM
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Its also my opinion that these differences we are having is a lot more to do with gender and how each gender percieves our Lord....or are an emotion idol.
I don't think so. These pictures are just trying to play on our emotions and I don't like it.
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I see a hollowness in the eyes in this picture which is uncharacteristic of how I believe He drew men to Himself.
I agree.
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I do not believe that Jesus would want us to dwell on His outer shell.
Again, I agree. If I were to think about how he would look it would be more like what Tricia posted in her thread here but I honestly do not dwell about his looks. Apparently God didn't think so either since there isn't much about what He looked like in the Bible.
Forget the picture then and think about the question. Is Jesus REALLY enough? Is there something wrong with having emotions when we think of what Jesus suffered?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 9:41:32 PM
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Is Jesus REALLY enough?
If He isn't then I'm doomed.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 9:57:24 PM
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Is Jesus REALLY enough?
If He isn't then I'm doomed.
Short. Simple. True. Quote of the year peoples!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 11:38:42 PM
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Is Jesus REALLY enough?
If He isn't then I'm doomed.
Short. Simple. True. Quote of the year peoples!
Yeah man!
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 11:44:37 PM
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He was a man of sorrows, aquaintd with grief.
He knew...these things but He was not controlled by them. We are to follow His example and it would be a poor one if He had no self control.
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There's some pretty emotional stuff.
Big important things often move us to emotions and this can be a good thing but as I said, we cannot be ruled or wallow in them. I guess contemplating them is a consideration and something nice to think about in an abstract way but it certainly....is not a theology or doctrine.
As far as Jesus being enough....what else is there?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 11:47:57 PM
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He was a man of sorrows, aquaintd with grief.
He knew...these things but He was not controlled by them. We are to follow His example and it would be a poor one if He had no self control.
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There's some pretty emotional stuff.
Big important things often move us to emotions and this can be a good thing but as I said, we cannot be ruled or wallow in them. I guess contemplating them is a consideration and something nice to think about in an abstract way but it certainly....is not a theology or doctrine.
As far as Jesus being enough....what else is there?
Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/27/2008 11:50:11 PM
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As far as Jesus being enough....what else is there?
I heard one time that when Jesus is all you have, you'll find that Jesus is all you really needed.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 12:30:57 AM
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Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?
I think, from what I have read of your threads, and since you asked....  ...
that you are a visual person, as I guess many artists are, and probably put more importance on emotion than is warrented. Honestly, and I am too blunt not to say this, it seems a little self aggrandizing to post your art and ask opinions of it as you have on other threads....if that is accurate.
The european Jesus you portray is offensive to me...and probably others.
I have no "Jesus art" in my house nor would I ever because it is ALL in extremely bad taste, poorly rendered and a misrepresentastion of what Christ was and what christianity is.
Jesus, on earth wasn't just a charasimatic religious leader...He was and is the living God, come to earth for His purpose and goal, for us, to give Himself in sacrifice so we might know Him more.
He was man but so much more.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 12:40:36 AM
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When I read the gospels I like to meditate on how He felt in each circumstance.
Feelings are rarely revealed. Why imagine things you do not know ? There are no favorable uses of the word imagination.
(Jeremiah 16:12) And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:
We are encouraged to meditate on his word, law, work and precepts, not his feelings.
(Joshua 1:8) This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
(Psalms 1:2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
(Psalms 77:12) I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
(Psalms 119:15) I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 12:42:02 AM
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When I read the gospels I like to meditate on how He felt in each circumstance.
Feelings are rarely revealed. Why imagine things you do not know ? There are no favorable uses of the word imagination. As a writer, I must disagree. But that's another topic for another thread.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 12:52:15 AM
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Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?
I think, from what I have read of your threads, and since you asked.... ...
that you are a visual person, as I guess many artists are, and probably put more importance on emotion than is warrented. Honestly, and I am too blunt not to say this, it seems a little self aggrandizing to post your art and ask opinions of it as you have on other threads....if that is accurate.
The european Jesus you portray is offensive to me...and probably others.
I have no "Jesus art" in my house nor would I ever because it is ALL in extremely bad taste, poorly rendered and a misrepresentastion of what Christ was and what christianity is.
Jesus, on earth wasn't just a charasimatic religious leader...He was and is the living God, come to earth for His purpose and goal, for us, to give Himself in sacrifice so we might know Him more.
He was man but so much more.
Thanks but you really didn't answer my question which had nothing to do with paintings of Christ. or my emotions.
"Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?"
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 1:01:43 AM
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When I read the gospels I like to meditate on how He felt in each circumstance.
Feelings are rarely revealed. Why imagine things you do not know ? There are no favorable uses of the word imagination.
(Jeremiah 16:12) And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:
We are encouraged to meditate on his word, law, work and precepts, not his feelings.
(Joshua 1:8) This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
(Psalms 1:2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
(Psalms 77:12) I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
(Psalms 119:15) I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
It's wrong to think about how Jesus felt in certain situations? How do you pray for the lost? How do you get in touch with the broken heart of Christ? Paul said He wanted to know Christ in the fellowship of His sufferings. He wanted to experience the height, depth, the width and length of His love.
"You search the scriptures because in them you think you have life but these very scriptures testify of Me." - the gospel of John
Know the Law yes, but know Christ who is the Word incarnate.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 1:29:35 AM
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Its also my opinion that these differences we are having is a lot more to do with gender and how each gender percieves our Lord....or are an emotion idol.
I don't think so. These pictures are just trying to play on our emotions and I don't like it.
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I see a hollowness in the eyes in this picture which is uncharacteristic of how I believe He drew men to Himself.
I agree.
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I do not believe that Jesus would want us to dwell on His outer shell.
Again, I agree. If I were to think about how he would look it would be more like what Tricia posted in her thread here but I honestly do not dwell about his looks. Apparently God didn't think so either since there isn't much about what He looked like in the Bible.
As above. And I agree on the emotional idol comment. An idol, is an idol, is an idol.
The bible tells us that he had no beauty that would sway people in his favour. It was all about who he was, not what he looked like.
So any visual depiction of jesus is going to come out of the imagination of another human being, and nothing more.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 1:43:54 AM
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Its also my opinion that these differences we are having is a lot more to do with gender and how each gender percieves our Lord....or are an emotion idol.
I don't think so. These pictures are just trying to play on our emotions and I don't like it.
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I see a hollowness in the eyes in this picture which is uncharacteristic of how I believe He drew men to Himself.
I agree.
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I do not believe that Jesus would want us to dwell on His outer shell.
Again, I agree. If I were to think about how he would look it would be more like what Tricia posted in her thread here but I honestly do not dwell about his looks. Apparently God didn't think so either since there isn't much about what He looked like in the Bible.
As above. And I agree on the emotional idol comment. An idol, is an idol, is an idol.
The bible tells us that he had no beauty that would sway people in his favour. It was all about who he was, not what he looked like.
So any visual depiction of jesus is going to come out of the imagination of another human being, and nothing more.
So you really can't see that this picture is meant to portray the sorrow of Christ? That's what the artist is trying to depict. You don't think Jesus' eyes ever appeared red and tired, or His face weathered beatened? Kath says that such a look wouldn't attract people as though to say Christ never appeared tired or sorrowful. How is it people keep talking about the picture and not addressing the question? Is Jesus ENOUGH for you?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 1:53:40 AM
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Why do you keep equating people not liking the picture to people thinking Jesus isn't enough for us?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 1:57:03 AM
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Why do you keep equating people not liking the picture to people thinking Jesus isn't enough for us?
Because people keep talking about the picture instead of addressing the question. I was hoping we could talk about why He is important to us.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 2:07:03 AM
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He is important because He is alive, and He lives in me.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 2:24:31 AM
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He is important because He is alive, and He lives in me.
Thanks!
The other day I was talking to someone who is a christian and they were very angry and upset with God because it seemed as though Jesus wasn't answering her prayers. "after all" she said, "I tithe. I help people. He isn't doing anything for me which makes Him a liar!" I knew someone else that used to get mad at God because she would get a slew of red lights on the way to church and she was going to be late.
That's why I am asking if Jesus is enough for us. When I lost most of my possessions in a flood a couple years ago by the grace of God I could say that Jesus was enough even though my life was uprooted etc. Sometimes we follow Him because we are expecting a blessed life. Hopefully by the grace of God we will be content with Christ even in the hard times.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 4:40:09 AM
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"Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?"
I believe you misrepresent Jesus in many areas including a wishy washy emotional Jesus. I don't know what you think...I can only judge by what you represent here.
...and Jesus truly is enough. In fact, Jesus is much much more than what we need.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/28/2008 3:04:15 PM
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"Do you really believe that I think Jesus wallowed in His emotions and He couldn't contol them?"
I believe you misrepresent Jesus in many areas including a wishy washy emotional Jesus. I don't know what you think...I can only judge by what you represent here.
...and Jesus truly is enough. In fact, Jesus is much much more than what we need.
You are entitled to your opinion. I aked you and you were truthful. Thank you.
I am blessed to hear that Jesus is enough for you. :)
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/29/2008 12:54:05 AM
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Why do you keep equating people not liking the picture to people thinking Jesus isn't enough for us?
Because people keep talking about the picture instead of addressing the question. I was hoping we could talk about why He is important to us.
We talk about the picture because you spent at least 8+ paragraphs (can't decide whether to count the one liners as a paragraph) talking about it and only three lines asking if "Jesus is enough." So yeah, that's why.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/29/2008 12:57:51 AM
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Is Jesus enough? Yes. The King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Alpha and Omega is enough to bring us through any trial we face. He's enough to take us to our heavenly home. I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
Is a picture of Jesus enough? Enough for what? If you have to see a representation of what Jesus might have looked like to believe in Him, there may be a problem.
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/29/2008 1:00:43 AM
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Why do you keep equating people not liking the picture to people thinking Jesus isn't enough for us?
Because people keep talking about the picture instead of addressing the question. I was hoping we could talk about why He is important to us.
We talk about the picture because you spent at least 8+ paragraphs (can't decide whether to count the one liners as a paragraph) talking about it and only three lines asking if "Jesus is enough." So yeah, that's why.
So now that we have moved beyond the picture maybe we can talk about why Jesus is enough for the believer even when He doesn't seem to answer our prayers in the way we want Him to. Do you know what I mean?
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RE: Is Jesus REALLY enough? - 1/29/2008 1:04:05 AM
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So now that we have moved beyond the picture maybe we can talk about why Jesus is enough for the believer even when He doesn't seem to answer our prayers in the way we want Him to. Do you know what I mean?
It could be that He knows what's best for us. Like the parents that won't stop at every ice cream parlor even though their kids are asking, He knows what's best for us. The phrase "God won't give me more than I can handle" doesn't just refer to bad things.
Remember that Jesus said, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness" before He said, "and all these things shall be added unto you." If you don't do the first, don't expect the second.
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